Only because the train I started died, as did the second train I jumped on. You don't think the people that randomly jumped on Grizz in the last few minutes are a bit weirder?
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The Mansion Mafia - Hold on tightly to your secrets
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Oh look, I found his reasoning from yesterday. It's a long post, but please do read the whole thing.
ffs
Really all that needs to be said. I mean, sure, maybe one or two scum are there, but like, if I didnt know any better and Hecht hadnt claimed BP, I'd think he was trying to completely disregard people switching to Grizzly that late in the day. And Godfather stayed a viable lynch train for very long into Day end. There was no reason to move for me, personally.
Before I forget:
VOTE: Godfather
It's got double on the vote list.
However I think I've misread this:
as rooms and votes. So I apologise for saying that you said this.
If you aren't on the vote train at the end, it gives people a place to hide - i.e. "I didn't vote for the mislynch, therefore I can't be scum," or "I was caught up in the mislynch and I was wrong!"
Being on anyone else means you don't have to deal with any of those arguments.
hey hey i'm glad we agree on something
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Time for another as-i-read post! I love GMT+13. This is a lot to read, I wonder if... Oh no. Oh dear.
so what the hell even is this day. as I was catching up I was scumreading aeleus but then kopite comes in with this bomb. People are right to look at the pushes for the room as suspect imo. The chances of this being an accident are 2/25(?). Not great odds. Either that or scum had a motive for voting for Kopite. Has Kopite said anything that would lead scum into wanting to target them?
I believe Hecht's claim because it would be a stupid thing to fake claim about, esp. this early in the game and with little evident reason to do so.
Holy shit. That's... That's definitely something to consider. I don't know you guys. This is a lot to process upon waking up. Gimme some time, I think.
I'm thinking the bear train was indeed to protect Godfather. I'd say his flip would tell us a lot about what went on at eod yesterday and what's going on now with this push against reason.
VOTE: Godfather
Or the ones not on the scum train are most likely not scum. Scum trains don't build themselves.
Kopite's reads based off the mason chat:
He scum reads stuart because of room mechanics, apparently pushes in thread
He scum reads Zipped with no reason attached, most likely due to room changing
He thinks girlofgothams pushes on me are NAI and believes them to be a good player
He scum reads Godfather with no reason attached but I think it started with talks about the voting, how day 1 EOD ended consolidates his scum read on Godfather and he sounds pretty certain about it.
Doesn't have much to go off so hopefully he'll be around more tomorrow
He scum reads stuart because of room mechanics, apparently pushes in thread
He scum reads Zipped with no reason attached, most likely due to room changing
He thinks girlofgothams pushes on me are NAI and believes them to be a good player
He scum reads Godfather with no reason attached but I think it started with talks about the voting, how day 1 EOD ended consolidates his scum read on Godfather and he sounds pretty certain about it.
Doesn't have much to go off so hopefully he'll be around more tomorrow
so it's been a while since I wrote
because i was reading quite a lot of material and my thinking has mellowed into yeah, probably an accident. so long as there's a chance at all accidents can happen.
because i was reading quite a lot of material and my thinking has mellowed into yeah, probably an accident. so long as there's a chance at all accidents can happen.
You're right, let me dissect 17 votes rather than 7 votes. That makes sense.
heads up I got some real life news that, while really good, is gonna limit my involvement today I think
gotta process things
Godfather and Kaz are still mafia demons
gotta process things
Godfather and Kaz are still mafia demons
So it's just you wanting to look at a small list of people, regardless if it makes much sense or not.
Besides that, I find it hilarious how y'all are acting like the Godfather lynch wasnt a viable lynch train to the end and the choice was solely between Lux and Grizzly. GF was tied for second four minutes before Day End.
OMFG I can't get it to remember multiple quotes. Here are the links:
https://www.resetera.com/threads/th...y-to-your-secrets.98776/page-13#post-17827553
https://www.resetera.com/threads/th...y-to-your-secrets.98776/page-24#post-17862258
https://www.resetera.com/threads/th...y-to-your-secrets.98776/page-26#post-17869084
https://www.resetera.com/threads/th...y-to-your-secrets.98776/page-26#post-17872194
https://www.resetera.com/threads/th...y-to-your-secrets.98776/page-28#post-17874737
https://www.resetera.com/threads/th...y-to-your-secrets.98776/page-29#post-17875472
https://www.resetera.com/threads/th...y-to-your-secrets.98776/page-29#post-17875856
https://www.resetera.com/threads/th...y-to-your-secrets.98776/page-31#post-17877144
https://www.resetera.com/threads/th...y-to-your-secrets.98776/page-32#post-17877996
https://www.resetera.com/threads/th...y-to-your-secrets.98776/page-32#post-17878178
https://www.resetera.com/threads/th...y-to-your-secrets.98776/page-33#post-17878458
Everypost where he mentions me by name.
https://www.resetera.com/threads/th...y-to-your-secrets.98776/page-13#post-17827553
https://www.resetera.com/threads/th...y-to-your-secrets.98776/page-24#post-17862258
https://www.resetera.com/threads/th...y-to-your-secrets.98776/page-26#post-17869084
https://www.resetera.com/threads/th...y-to-your-secrets.98776/page-26#post-17872194
https://www.resetera.com/threads/th...y-to-your-secrets.98776/page-28#post-17874737
https://www.resetera.com/threads/th...y-to-your-secrets.98776/page-29#post-17875472
https://www.resetera.com/threads/th...y-to-your-secrets.98776/page-29#post-17875856
https://www.resetera.com/threads/th...y-to-your-secrets.98776/page-31#post-17877144
https://www.resetera.com/threads/th...y-to-your-secrets.98776/page-32#post-17877996
https://www.resetera.com/threads/th...y-to-your-secrets.98776/page-32#post-17878178
https://www.resetera.com/threads/th...y-to-your-secrets.98776/page-33#post-17878458
Everypost where he mentions me by name.
If both pots are equally likely to contain scum (which I'd posit), then yes?
I kind of want to follow Hecht for the time being
Vote:weemadarthur
I was feeling iffy about wee and she is one of the final Bear voters(splinter, turmoil, aeleus, WSD, wee, Kaz, heck, kitsu, fep) and frankly rn the one who looks the worst to me taking into account the claim and my town reads(Kaz, fep). I think kitsu and WSD are confused town
I flip flop on bdubs and muffin from null to lean scum, rn I think I would see muffin gone first but that is just guts
Vote:weemadarthur
I was feeling iffy about wee and she is one of the final Bear voters(splinter, turmoil, aeleus, WSD, wee, Kaz, heck, kitsu, fep) and frankly rn the one who looks the worst to me taking into account the claim and my town reads(Kaz, fep). I think kitsu and WSD are confused town
I flip flop on bdubs and muffin from null to lean scum, rn I think I would see muffin gone first but that is just guts
Hey we should be looking at all the votes actually. But i think it's weird to focus on where there is likely to be less scum, not more. While ignoring the most obvious train of all.
Oh i haven't even begun to call out people's low effort driveby crap. It's painfully obvious so far who is good at mafia and who isn't.
Okay, since we're all being grumpy:
Grizzly voters:
*Splinter
turmoil7
Aeleus
WhySoDevious
weemadarthur
SaucyKaz
Hecht
Kitsunelaine
flatearthpandas
People who aren't dead/dying/claiming to have a vest or double vote so we're giving the benefit of the doubt right now:
turmoil7
WhySoDevious
weemadarthur
SaucyKaz
Kitsunelaine
flatearthpandas
Grizzly voters:
*Splinter
turmoil7
Aeleus
WhySoDevious
weemadarthur
SaucyKaz
Hecht
Kitsunelaine
flatearthpandas
People who aren't dead/dying/claiming to have a vest or double vote so we're giving the benefit of the doubt right now:
turmoil7
WhySoDevious
weemadarthur
SaucyKaz
Kitsunelaine
flatearthpandas
I mean, Hecht. Really? You don't want to examine the train that got a townie lynched? It's not even actually 9 people, since you're on there, who claimed BP and hasn't gotten counterclaimed, and one of our claimed lovers is on there.
I have no problem with looking for scum in other trains too, (which I think GF is on that Lux train, for example), but excluding the most obvious one is a bit of a weird effort.
Devious has been on my radar for a while - thin reasoning for votes, not really engaging with people, kind of coasting - scum leaning
I'm tempted to rule out SaucyKaz as this vote would have been self-preservation (just tempted mind you as I need to read what caused the Kaz pile-on yesterday)
The other 4 will need a reread which I will try to do tomorrow.
I'm tempted to rule out SaucyKaz as this vote would have been self-preservation (just tempted mind you as I need to read what caused the Kaz pile-on yesterday)
The other 4 will need a reread which I will try to do tomorrow.
What felt like a positive lead with the Aeleus vote was a bust so time for someone new
Vote: turmoil7
I'm just going off memory right now since I'm on mobile but something about their posts has been bugging me since they replaced in yesterday. I'll try to find some good examples later.
Vote: turmoil7
I'm just going off memory right now since I'm on mobile but something about their posts has been bugging me since they replaced in yesterday. I'll try to find some good examples later.
Muffin, you can't be saying that you think all the scum are on the Grizzly train, really?
I mean, Hecht. Really? You don't want to examine the train that got a townie lynched? It's not even actually 9 people, since you're on there, who claimed BP and hasn't gotten counterclaimed, and one of our claimed lovers is on there.
I have no problem with looking for scum in other trains too, (which I think GF is on that Lux train, for example), but excluding the most obvious one is a bit of a weird effort.
a townie being lynched on D1? holy crap, that's insane
I mean, Hecht. Really? You don't want to examine the train that got a townie lynched? It's not even actually 9 people, since you're on there, who claimed BP and hasn't gotten counterclaimed, and one of our claimed lovers is on there.
I have no problem with looking for scum in other trains too, (which I think GF is on that Lux train, for example), but excluding the most obvious one is a bit of a weird effort.
Ok, so in all seriousness, Kopite's reasoning against me amount to an OMGUS after I posted about how little he was contributing, than a comparison to monkey from a different game.
Everything else was waffling and typical day 1 behavior. That's also the grand evidence b-dubs is willing to lean on here, so... low effort. AFAIK, not a single thing from today has been mentioned so far. They're still playing D1 again.
Everything else was waffling and typical day 1 behavior. That's also the grand evidence b-dubs is willing to lean on here, so... low effort. AFAIK, not a single thing from today has been mentioned so far. They're still playing D1 again.
One thing that I noticed yesterday is how long Kaz was still being talked about as if he was in threat of being lynched, even when he didn't have many votes and wasn't even in the top 2. In one case, I remember Devious doing this and it felt like they were purposely ignoring other lynch candidates, like Lux mainly.
also you can't just examine grizz, you'd have to examine Lux as well, because due to the fact that town can get lynched very easily on D1, it stands to reason that scum doesn't need to put themselves out there to get a townie lynched. Lux could very well be scum, but even then it doesn't seem like scum would need to force it.
I mean, Hecht. Really? You don't want to examine the train that got a townie lynched? It's not even actually 9 people, since you're on there, who claimed BP and hasn't gotten counterclaimed, and one of our claimed lovers is on there.
I have no problem with looking for scum in other trains too, (which I think GF is on that Lux train, for example), but excluding the most obvious one is a bit of a weird effort.
That's 17 players that we'd have to assess, vs the 7 that were not on either of those
You'd think nobody could interpret it that way since i literally in the same post talked about scum on other trains, but okay.
A townie getting pushed to the top lynch spot in a matter of minutes often isnt exactly a coincidence.
hm...i don't like this. I feel like saenima is playing as newbie scum
I mean, nobody's saying "let's never look at the Grizzly votes" but the others are smaller lists and now that we have info, we can start picking things apart there.
I'm more than happy to look at the Grizzly list (see above) but we can't rule the other lists out either I don't think
I'm more than happy to look at the Grizzly list (see above) but we can't rule the other lists out either I don't think
if lux and grizz are both town then it doesn't matter how the votes fell at the end
You mentioned it literally after a 6 to 6 (or 5 to 5) tie was broken that I was in. I was tied for first or first for a lot of that day.
Who you have no reason to suspect anymore than anybody else following your own words, so the line you're drawing is completely arbitrary.
We don't know that they are, we know about Grizz and that's it
I remember a post from Kalor on D1 kind of like "from those 4(Kaz, GF, Bear, Lux) I would lynch Bear or Lux"
He was one of the first on the Bear train, his final vote was on Lux
Now he voted for Aeleus
If at some point Lux flips town he will go up as a suspect to me
He was one of the first on the Bear train, his final vote was on Lux
Now he voted for Aeleus
If at some point Lux flips town he will go up as a suspect to me
I feel like I'm taking crazy pills. Literally Hecht has said that he only wants to look at one small group of people, while I have said "That's dumb, we need to look at other people too".