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The Mansion Mafia - Hold on tightly to your secrets
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Vote: Kalor
I don't like his "all 3" comment. For much the same reasons as I don't like Hecht's "Vests" nod.
I don't like his "all 3" comment. For much the same reasons as I don't like Hecht's "Vests" nod.
Or, Hecht/his teammate gets powered up and they're trying to bribe town into it with sowing seeds of a revive.
Hecht has done nothing in this whole game that wasn't centered on self preservation and i'm saying he isn't town.
Mind you he could be a neutral, i can't tell scum from neutral necessarily, but i'm certainly going to the blue room because he "finds it intriguing".
What power up do you think he could get from it? Sounds like that would focus on also believing the "Scum know what the rooms do" thing.
Or that is indeed a thought. Maybe a Neutral that exits the game if the Blue room gets picked?
Maybe the fates is the neutral being allowed to leave the game instead of staying and suffering (and losing if the blue room doesn't get picked)?
Just a thought.
His claim early doesn't make sense to me as scum or town. As town, you'd want to leave scum guessing "Was it a Doctor or was it a BP?"
He gave out unnecessary info.
The neutral thought above could be it. maybe a Neutral BP with the wincon of getting the blue door picked? I mean MafiEra had a wincon for a neutral where they had to get Pineapple Pizza picked so this could be a similar situation except they have a BP to give them a chance of reaching that goal.
But the way he claimed wasn't helpful for town.
Talking about it could easily be read as reading the room. throwing out something to see how others feel and if you can get a bandwagon onto it.
It's not the first time I've mentioned it. I said roughly the same thing about it on D1 when we were talking about what we thought the rooms did. Most people just seem to be talking about the sister rooms and never the one that doesn't seem to have one, hence I brought it up.
I can see some some reasons to do it as town:
-he wouldn't know if there is a doctor, so if there is one, he is telling him "careful there mate, maybe your heal target wasn't scum's target(the doctor wouldn't need to expose themselves trying to save that player)" or more contrived, what if the doctor healed scum on N1 and they spends the whole game defending a scum player...
-His role may not be very powerful, for all we know he could be a 1-shot, what if he wanted to share his info with town in case anything happened to him?
He kept quiet on the X-shot (earlier today he said more than 1 less than 4, before today, he wouldn't say/avoid saying how many uses he had).
As to the first point, it's still giving more info to scum which is bad no matter what. A doctor using their power on a town BP is still better than giving Scum more info when you WANT scum to keep guessing. "Maybe we should shoot him again? Maybe It's a Doctor who can't protect the same target twice in a row" or something.
Scum guessing is good. giving info like that is only good for him as self preservation.
People buy his claim, they don't lynch him and scum unless they have a strong kill (which is still up for debate) won't touch and would rather win by majority I'd think.
Not saying for sure Hecht is scum but at the very least his claim was handled very badly.
Awful vote, I was ISOing him when the day started and currently I am pretty sure he is town, give me some time to collect my thoughts on the matter
You better have some strong material to back up the use of the word "awful"
Oh no I am not getting into a semantics debate, you can have it with someone else
( StanleyPalmtree )
but I will write a post defending kalor, just keep your mind open, okay?
I'm pretty sure we have the same definition of the word awful lmao
And yeah sure, I'm very open minded
It's pretty much some of the best stuff mafiera is made of!
turmoil7 i think you asked for a full reads list of both sides. Outside of me heavily scum reading kitsunelaine, I don't think it's good for my health to outline exactly who I think is scum and who is town.
However, I can't shake the feeling that I'm locked in a room with a townie with a double, the rest of the scum team and I'm not sure who else...
i still think zipped is the neutral. I feel like his D1 play was part of some attempt to fill a power condition
Eh, maybe. Could also just be him having a bit of fun though.
That said, two neutrals wouldn't be unheard of in a game this size.
See he could be having fun but why would you draw suspicious attention to yourself on D1, a day notorious for little to no reasons to suspect people
This is everything I've ever dreamed of
1. Stuart444 - Lean Town, stole my car
2. B-Dubs - Neutral, can't get a proper bead
3. Kalor - Lean Scum, odd behavior D2
4. saenima - Lean Scum,
5. Muffin - Lean Town, generally on point
6. Z-Beat - Lean Scum, coasting, potentially sus
7. *Splinter - Lean Town, voting wise
8. turmoil7 - Lean Town, odd claim with Godfather tho
Ok caught up. Sorry for missing day end again btw. I was playing Hollow Knight and completely lost about 7 hours ._.
Hecht is surely lying. There's good and bad reasons to lie, but I think he's a baddie.
I was trusting Kits, but I agree with the theory that Godfather saw her on N1. Strong kill is possible, but I think she was trying to kill him.
Someone (I think Kits) posted a theory that Godfather saw Hecht: impossible, he would know Hecht was lying and out him for it.
I don't know who I'll vote from my room yet, need to sleep now so I'll figure all that out tomorrow.
Hecht is surely lying. There's good and bad reasons to lie, but I think he's a baddie.
I was trusting Kits, but I agree with the theory that Godfather saw her on N1. Strong kill is possible, but I think she was trying to kill him.
Someone (I think Kits) posted a theory that Godfather saw Hecht: impossible, he would know Hecht was lying and out him for it.
I don't know who I'll vote from my room yet, need to sleep now so I'll figure all that out tomorrow.
Kalor
A roleblocker is a valuable PR, saving it is worth the risk, right?
During day 2 I commented on a post of kalor where he said something akin to "of those 4(GF, Kaz, Bear, Lux) I would lynch Bear or Lux", he was a early vote on Bear so if he is scum putting Bear there gives him consistency, yet he votes for Lux when he has the abili to keep a vote for Bear, he closes his path to voting for Bear or Lux, Lux, aka as the most valuable PR scum had to this point, he could had bended his opinions in any way to justify voting for Bear, Kaz(less valuable scum PR)or GF, kalor is experienced enough to pull it off and it is fucking D1, you can vote using any BS reason, yet are we supposed to believe scum kalor cornered himself into a situation where he was forced to bus the Roleblock? Nope I don't think so
He also had a post somewhere saying he doesn't like GF or Stu as the lynch, another option off the table, why? Is Stu a scum PR more powerful than a 3 shots roleblocker? Extremely unlikely
I have to check day 2 more carefully but IIRC he was suspecting Lux(I just checked the vote tool, he indeed voted for him, 5# vote for Lux that day)
There is more but I don't want to spend so much time in a clear town read of mine, I want to work on my scumreads too if possible
To me Kalor is the towniest reads category so far, absolutely not the player we must lynch today
A roleblocker is a valuable PR, saving it is worth the risk, right?
During day 2 I commented on a post of kalor where he said something akin to "of those 4(GF, Kaz, Bear, Lux) I would lynch Bear or Lux", he was a early vote on Bear so if he is scum putting Bear there gives him consistency, yet he votes for Lux when he has the abili to keep a vote for Bear, he closes his path to voting for Bear or Lux, Lux, aka as the most valuable PR scum had to this point, he could had bended his opinions in any way to justify voting for Bear, Kaz(less valuable scum PR)or GF, kalor is experienced enough to pull it off and it is fucking D1, you can vote using any BS reason, yet are we supposed to believe scum kalor cornered himself into a situation where he was forced to bus the Roleblock? Nope I don't think so
He also had a post somewhere saying he doesn't like GF or Stu as the lynch, another option off the table, why? Is Stu a scum PR more powerful than a 3 shots roleblocker? Extremely unlikely
I have to check day 2 more carefully but IIRC he was suspecting Lux(I just checked the vote tool, he indeed voted for him, 5# vote for Lux that day)
There is more but I don't want to spend so much time in a clear town read of mine, I want to work on my scumreads too if possible
To me Kalor is the towniest reads category so far, absolutely not the player we must lynch today
No I thought your post was plenty fine for a defense post. And I am disregarding that godfather post you quoted. He gave no other indication as to who visited him and if he wasn't hit by a strongman I would hope he would have breadcrumbed who visited him night1.i guess you're not gonna respond to that post huh
The one time I was BP watcher I played it exactly the same, I have to assume godfather would play it the same I did.
What benefit is his claim to town? All it did was deflect suspicion for him starting the Grizz train on D1.
Maybe he did but someone would have to go back and look.
I have a history of not seeing breadcrumbs lol.