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The Mansion Mafia - Hold on tightly to your secrets
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He literally told us to remember that he was suspicious of hecht
if that isn't breadcrumbing I don't know what is
I said earlier I don't think there was any benefit. I just wanted Splinter's reasons for what he thinks.
Hollow knight for seven hours? Completely believable.
The fact that we are on the same page makes me feel like I'm taking crazy pills, because we almost never agree.
And if he had seen Hecht move towards him after seeing Hecht claim BP and had a shot taken. I would have claimed and said "he is lying because I'm BP and saw him move"
It's probably the perfect contradiction Phoenix Wright moment
Until now it was possible Hecht was a bulletproof cop.
did you miss the part where I think you're either scum or neutral
Our track record for actually killing scum ourselves is poor
Yup, both our scum kills have been lucky. Dayvig got one and neglect got the other.
It's an odd role for town and a bad time to claim it. I thought he might be lying for the good reasons, but now (thanks to Lux' flip) I think he's scum. Plus I feel Godfather's role kinda weakens his claim anyway.
He wouldn't know he lost his BP. Thanks to Hecht's claim he trusted the person that targeted him enough to not expose them.
Ok? A lynch is still better than a night kill. Even when we're wrong we eliminate the least trusted players, gain info or whatever. It's our choice instead of scum's choices, it's absolutely a good thing.
I wouldn't say a BP is an odd role for town but it was without a doubt a bad time and way to claim it.
This doesn't negate the night kill unless I missed something in the room description. That negative is still very much a factor
The logic in that post holds up regardless of Zipped's alignment
And I'm claiming your scum. Essentially what you said to my accusation was "I know you are but what am I"
Just remember.
GF isn't you and you're not him.
What you would do means nothing in the end.
Nope, because during D2 I actually outlined that I think Zipped and Hecht might be feeding information to one another in order to support their roleclaims (Something I still think is likely)
All it takes is for one of them to have some kind of role that gives them legitimate information for another to pretend to be Zipped's role and back it up
Don't worry I'm pretty sure it's the first time this game
Let me start this again, because none of this info comes from Zipped.
-Godfather saw someone visit him.
-Hecht claimed a role that doesn't move.
-Godfather didn't counter this claim.
-Therefore Godfather didn't see Hecht move.
Ok?
Hecht claimed a vest on D2, not that he couldn't move. He didn't say that until today.
Hrmmm. That's a good point you've got there. I think we need to look back on GF's reasons for suspecting Hecht because I don't have a mindset right now to trawl through all of these posts orz
I haven't claimed anything outside of having fun day 1...
i think i'm getting you mixed up with someone else then
So what do you think of my kalor read?
He still hasn't claimed he CAN"T move, just that he has not done so.
And bulletproof CAN be a modifier although it would be unusual for multi-shot to be a modifier, although we only have his word for that.
It was implied. I suppose it was possible that he had bulletproof + something, like Godfather, but his claim was multishot with notifications, that's already pretty powerful.
there's no point there other than "he suspected lux" and like, nobody had reason to suspect lux D1 and I can see people picking up last night's trains at the start of D2 as an easy play
But if Hecht did visit him and no one wound up dead wouldn't he think cop or doctor? I know I would.
my brain's clearly getting a bit sloppy and as I said I have some fatigue I'm dealing with so I think this'll be the point where I step back for a while
Cop maybe, doctor, why would he? He had BP status that says he won't be told when it's been used. That "Incase I wind up dead" comment implies he thought that maybe he was shot to me and his BP was used up but had no idea.
He also probably implicated Hecht NOT because he saw him move I'm thinking but because he thought his claim might be fake because he himself had BP status.
Another idea I'm just throwing out there.
Take a breather, sleep on it. Don't want to make you ill, just thought we were having a spirited argument.
it's not your fault, we were. I was getting streams crossed during it and as I opened out the day by saying I've just been dealing with a lot lately. If you wanna know what exactly i've elaborated in the MafiaERA discord, I'll not clog up the game with it in here
Yeah take care, kits
I need to go look for breadcrumbs, I can't believe GF wouldn't leave a clue, it's a pretty crucial part of his role.
Not tonight though, I should be asleep
Agree with this. Also if Hecht was cop/doctor/whatever then why would he get notified while GF didn't? It just doesn't make sense. If I were GF and saw Hecht I'd've outed him when forced to claim.
I need to go look for breadcrumbs, I can't believe GF wouldn't leave a clue, it's a pretty crucial part of his role.
Not tonight though, I should be asleep
The point is he couldn't know if whoever visited him was scum or a town PR. There was a 2/3 chance whoever visited him was town. If that person had gone back last night then they were scum 100%.
We can be sure that whoever visited GF on N1 wasn't a strongman(you save those roles for when they are needed, you don't send them to do the normal factional kill just because)
What roles is scum likely to have left? My guess: A strongman, a tracker(to who I am a negative utility too) and maybe a goon?
But wouldn't they have an extra kill in this huge game? There could be a bomb/wolf cub/scum vig there too as an extra kill
...hecht as a bomb :thinking:
no not worth exploring right now, there are better targets in that pool
What roles is scum likely to have left? My guess: A strongman, a tracker(to who I am a negative utility too) and maybe a goon?
But wouldn't they have an extra kill in this huge game? There could be a bomb/wolf cub/scum vig there too as an extra kill
...hecht as a bomb :thinking:
no not worth exploring right now, there are better targets in that pool
How sure are you you got it right? just a hunch, pretty sure(let's say 75%) or a 100%?
I don't want to go speculation crazy double thinking what is stu thinking with his extra info if you aren't sure