Pretty sure, >70%.
Look back at his posts and think is there any weird words that stick out. Best I can do without spelling it out.
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Pretty sure, >70%.
Look back at his posts and think is there any weird words that stick out. Best I can do without spelling it out.
Cause they're daft and if I was a bomb and I would want to be lynched...goddammit now that I have to explain the joke...you ruined it
Group A:
BronsonLee - Our doble voter God is totally town, %100(actually I nullread him right now)
Zippedpinhead - Zipped was a early vote on Lux on D1 and on D2 too, I feel uneasy about it but maybe is just personal grudge from past games(never trust him, he is a pro busser, he knows how to fake townie attitudes, I remember someone saying they couldn't believe how happy scum Zipped looked when they flipped scum and that's why they trusted him, he will backstab you mercilessly, even his teammates when he buses them ) - lean town for now, I don't think he would bus the roleblocker
weemadarthur I will reread, could lynch but right now want to be sure
WhySoDevious Why so devious? I am having hard problems with him, bad vives but I think we need more data points before going after him, wouldn't lynch rn
Kitsunelaine ........................idk, that kalor vote is bad imo, I am not satisfied with her answer to my reads, could lynch
Fat4all lean town or neutral, anyways this is no time of killing neutrals so just help town if you are one pls?
Hecht lean town
StanleyPalmtree need to read him
Girlofgotham null/lean town, I think we need to skim from the bear lynchers before looking for potential Lux bussers(she voted for Lux)
I think it might be prudent to mark posts as Group A or Group B when it comes to what they're about from now on
There's gonna be a lot of noise and a lot of posts that don't apply to half of the group so that would be a nice unofficial move
There's gonna be a lot of noise and a lot of posts that don't apply to half of the group so that would be a nice unofficial move
That's a good idea, gonna do it from now on
I don't think you told us what was the weird behavoir from kalor did you?
Also could you comment on my long kalor read? Thanks
Bear with me. This is a long one.
I know that Hecht has already made his preemptive defense that the scum team is gonna pounce on him today and try to lynch him but hey, town can do that as well.
Hecht day 1:
Early seeds planted on me and Dubs.
When asked for reasons, nah.
The Grizzly Train officially starts. No reasons either.
The next few are a doozy:
That's a lot of Grizzly votes. Almost like trying to keep a narrative going that everyone is voting Grizz left and right. Those many votes can't be wrong, right?
And then, literally on the last minute of the day. Nah let's go with a tie maybe.
Hecht day 2:
Back to Dubs. Still nothing read wise.
Oh so it's guts. Ok then:
I do like this post a lot though:
And here comes the claim:
Kaz immediately buys into it:
This right here makes no sense. At all:
I asked this and then let it go at the time:
But after GF's flip i'm thinking scum shot him and not Hecht. In comes Hecht during the day with the fake claim that no one can really disprove without a lynch. A lot of town lean reads follow that hinge exclusively on believing a claim that is beneficial to scum and ultimately hurts town. I mean, i'm no expert, but if i were an X-BP townie and scum wasted a shot on me you can bet your ass i'd keep my mouth shut and hope for seconds. What i wouldn't do would be announce to scum i had more vest to go around so they could go shoot somewhere else, like say, the town watcher. Which misteriously died despite having BP as well.
This claim stinks no matter how you look at it.
More to come.
I know that Hecht has already made his preemptive defense that the scum team is gonna pounce on him today and try to lynch him but hey, town can do that as well.
Hecht day 1:
Early seeds planted on me and Dubs.
When asked for reasons, nah.
The Grizzly Train officially starts. No reasons either.
The next few are a doozy:
That's a lot of Grizzly votes. Almost like trying to keep a narrative going that everyone is voting Grizz left and right. Those many votes can't be wrong, right?
And then, literally on the last minute of the day. Nah let's go with a tie maybe.
Hecht day 2:
Back to Dubs. Still nothing read wise.
Oh so it's guts. Ok then:
I do like this post a lot though:
And here comes the claim:
Kaz immediately buys into it:
This right here makes no sense. At all:
I asked this and then let it go at the time:
But after GF's flip i'm thinking scum shot him and not Hecht. In comes Hecht during the day with the fake claim that no one can really disprove without a lynch. A lot of town lean reads follow that hinge exclusively on believing a claim that is beneficial to scum and ultimately hurts town. I mean, i'm no expert, but if i were an X-BP townie and scum wasted a shot on me you can bet your ass i'd keep my mouth shut and hope for seconds. What i wouldn't do would be announce to scum i had more vest to go around so they could go shoot somewhere else, like say, the town watcher. Which misteriously died despite having BP as well.
This claim stinks no matter how you look at it.
More to come.
And it's back to Dubs i guess. Why give reasons:
Then comes these exchanges:
Apparently looking at smaller numbers of people is more important than looking at a pretty obvious train meant to deflect from scum. When i suggested we should be looking at all the trains, the answer i get is no. Just a dismissive no. I get that's probably just Hecht being tired of interacting with me at the time. I get it, i was being pushy. But town should be pushy. Town Hecht should be interested in finding out what the hell was up with the Grizzly train, not trying to guide the game towards the other trains.
And now it's on to me:
Unless they were protecting a 3-shot roleblocker ofc:
More of dubs and me. Just to see which one sticks:
Worried about Kaz?
More of the same down there. There are literally no reasons given. Ever. Only vague shade.
Voting to lynch town. Again:
Then comes these exchanges:
Apparently looking at smaller numbers of people is more important than looking at a pretty obvious train meant to deflect from scum. When i suggested we should be looking at all the trains, the answer i get is no. Just a dismissive no. I get that's probably just Hecht being tired of interacting with me at the time. I get it, i was being pushy. But town should be pushy. Town Hecht should be interested in finding out what the hell was up with the Grizzly train, not trying to guide the game towards the other trains.
And now it's on to me:
Unless they were protecting a 3-shot roleblocker ofc:
More of dubs and me. Just to see which one sticks:
Worried about Kaz?
More of the same down there. There are literally no reasons given. Ever. Only vague shade.
Voting to lynch town. Again:
And finally.
Here we go again. Hecht literally gives more of a reason for first time reading Z-Beat as scum with the coasting accusation than he has given for the two players he's been pushing for the entire game. Remarkable.
And here the obvious preemptive defense starts, laying it pretty thick:
At this point i'm pretty convinced that Hecht is scum and will be pushing for my lynch today. He has the ball rolling already.
Here we go again. Hecht literally gives more of a reason for first time reading Z-Beat as scum with the coasting accusation than he has given for the two players he's been pushing for the entire game. Remarkable.
And here the obvious preemptive defense starts, laying it pretty thick:
At this point i'm pretty convinced that Hecht is scum and will be pushing for my lynch today. He has the ball rolling already.
Yeah turmoil, I know you were scum reading me on day two, and you should reread. But you should also take a moment to do some proper vote analysis.
Here was the status of the vote count at the time I voted:
Godfather - 6
Luxcommander - 6 (Heckt having moved here)
Grizzly - 4 (Hecht having moved off and whysodevious on)
SaucyKaz - 3
To believe I'm scum you have to believe that I'm moving, on day one, to protect my roleblocker - but that I for some reason am not willing to put a vote on godfather to put him into the lead/into a further lead, which can often have the effect of getting other people to join in as their opinions are validated.
Instead I took a third-place person into second (although other votes tying #1 may have done it for me). Then I sat on it for the rest of the day.
If I were going to push a distant third, I in addition to disregarding the ease of voting godfather, would be giving up this amazing option:
Please consider those things as you reread.
Now, I'm not knocking you. You subbed in, and I don't think you were here at the time. But a quick read disregarding all available information is not the way to go.
Here was the status of the vote count at the time I voted:
==== DAY 1 VOTES ====
Day Start
Godfather (6 votes)
Muffin - #842
Kitsunelaine - #1,379
Kopite - #1,519
saenima - #1,535
BronsonLee - #1,562
B-Dubs - #1,601
LuxCommander (5 votes)
StanleyPalmtree - #1,136
Zippedpinhead - #1,360
Godfather - #1,552
Kalor - #1,559
Z-Beat - #1,603
Grizzly (4 votes)
*Splinter - #925
turmoil7 - #1,568
Aeleus - #1,592
Hecht - #1,604
SaucyKaz (3 votes)
Stuart444 - #1,170
Grizzly - #1,173
LuxCommander - #1,184
Stuart444 (2 votes)
SaucyKaz - #1,289
WhySoDevious - #1,506
*Splinter (1 votes)
Melonrabbit - #498
Muffin (1 votes)
weemadarthur - #1,278
WhySoDevious (1 votes)
Girlofgotham - #1,071
B-Dubs (1 votes)
flatearthpandas - #293
Post Counts:
Grizzly: 150 Stuart444: 134 Godfather: 116 Hecht: 99 BronsonLee: 97 Kitsunelaine: 87 Fat4all: 83 B-Dubs: 74 SaucyKaz: 66 saenima: 61 *Splinter: 56 Z-Beat: 52 Girlofgotham: 52 weemadarthur: 50 Muffin: 47 Kalor: 39 Zippedpinhead: 38 Kopite: 37 WhySoDevious: 32 flatearthpandas: 26 Aeleus: 24 StanleyPalmtree: 22 LuxCommander: 21 turmoil7: 12 Melonrabbit: 6
Current Countdown:
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Then I voted when the score was
Godfather - 6
Luxcommander - 6 (Heckt having moved here)
Grizzly - 4 (Hecht having moved off and whysodevious on)
SaucyKaz - 3
And I stated that I thought I brought Grizzly into a tie for second; I may have not have seen those last two votes, so call it 6-5-4.
To believe I'm scum you have to believe that I'm moving, on day one, to protect my roleblocker - but that I for some reason am not willing to put a vote on godfather to put him into the lead/into a further lead, which can often have the effect of getting other people to join in as their opinions are validated.
Instead I took a third-place person into second (although other votes tying #1 may have done it for me). Then I sat on it for the rest of the day.
If I were going to push a distant third, I in addition to disregarding the ease of voting godfather, would be giving up this amazing option:
My roleblock has disappeared, but my bulletproof was available for busing. And which role would not only be better for the team, but also gain me and my absent roleblock hella town cred? Aiming for Kaz would do that. And probably be easy enough to push given that so many people thought he was scummy. And that's if I'm not willing to just...vote out ANY given town.
Please consider those things as you reread.
Now, I'm not knocking you. You subbed in, and I don't think you were here at the time. But a quick read disregarding all available information is not the way to go.
Care to give your reads of this room? One word reads are enough for now, the day is young weemadarthur
1. Stuart444 - lean town
2. B-Dubs - null
3. Kalor - lean town
4. saenima. - town
5. Muffin - lean scum
6. Z-Beat. - currently null
7. *Splinter - probably town
8. turmoil7. - currently null
Gotta read people as individuals to adjust this and stuff. I've explained my reads on splinter and turmoil, i'll get to the rest.
Oh, my read on saenima is because he (he is the right pronoun right?) is analyzing and trying to solve and some of his logic is very good.
2. B-Dubs - null
3. Kalor - lean town
4. saenima. - town
5. Muffin - lean scum
6. Z-Beat. - currently null
7. *Splinter - probably town
8. turmoil7. - currently null
Gotta read people as individuals to adjust this and stuff. I've explained my reads on splinter and turmoil, i'll get to the rest.
Oh, my read on saenima is because he (he is the right pronoun right?) is analyzing and trying to solve and some of his logic is very good.
saenima what do you think of hecht saying he was informed that his vest was used? passive bulletproof don't usually work like that, although it is completely up to the gamerunner's discretion and there in no consensus on it, so it could perfectly be true.
Godfather was an investigator with some protective side dish
Can Hecht be a protector with a little of investigative spice?(the investigative side being he knows for sure when he is shot)
Do you think Hecht gambited on making his claim less believable?
Kalor what do you think of this? It is something worth to look into?
Godfather was an investigator with some protective side dish
Can Hecht be a protector with a little of investigative spice?(the investigative side being he knows for sure when he is shot)
Do you think Hecht gambited on making his claim less believable?
Kalor what do you think of this? It is something worth to look into?
That's a pretty convincing series of posts Saenima, hmm.
and Hecht is REALLY not helping here.
and Hecht is REALLY not helping here.
Dead town:
Lovers(during the day phase) Kopite - Aeleus, surviving one turns into roleblock in only one is killed at night
Self Watcher 1 shot Bulletproof, saw someone visiting him on d1 - Godfather
Ordinary - Grizzly, FEP
Alive players
Turmoil - Sleepwalker
Hecht - vest protective thing
Fat4all - double vote giver... pulpit was it?
Dead Scum
Kaz - BP
Lux - 3 shot roleblocker
I think that's all?
Im pretty swamped atm so i cant do a ton atm.
So do you have like any actual reasoning or...?
So do you have like any actual reasoning or...?
Clearly the biggest lie in this game so far, no one has fun in mafia.
Regarding the BP mechanics i admit i'm not fully sure how they work. I'm going from wiki and little knowledge beyond that. He could be lying about having the vest, or he could have a scum vest and be lying about being shot at or how it works. He could even be a neutral that was shot. He could be lying about the number of shots he could bear. What i do know almost for sure is that there is a lie somewhere in there. The story he has told makes no sense to me.
As for being a protector, that would mean town. I just don't read him as town in any way due to all i've brought up. Is it possible? Sure. I will say something right now though. If he's some sort of town protector i hope he gets me lynched.
Yes, we're meant to vote for people in the other group.
Yeah you said that, i was hoping for any kind of elaboration.
Regarding hecht (as he seems to be the real hot button topic rn) im very iffy but will be doing a proper rereading if him either tonight or tommorrow when im gloriously free of responsibilities
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Double votes don't interfere with the majority rule. The majority for both Groups is 5.
Why Devious? You mentioned Kaz and Lux who are both dead so why Devious?
Well Devious has been my scummiest read the entire game apart from this Hecht thing. I want to take a closer look to make sure whether i'm on the right track there or not. I still think his Grizzly vote was the one that kickstarted the late push but i want to go look at timelines and his other posts for context. Kaz and Lux are dead scum and i want to find connections.
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==== DAY 3 VOTES ====
Day Start
Group A
StanleyPalmtree (1 votes)
Stuart444 - #3,870
Hecht (1 votes)
saenima - #3,956
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Group B
saenima (1 votes)
Hecht - #3,892
Kalor (1 votes)
Kitsunelaine - #3,845
Not voting: *Splinter, Muffin, WhySoDevious, Z-Beat, weemadarthur, Zippedpinhead, turmoil7, Fat4all, Kalor, BronsonLee, Girlofgotham, B-Dubs, StanleyPalmtree
Post Counts:
Stuart444: 71 Hecht: 56 Zippedpinhead: 34 Kitsunelaine: 34 turmoil7: 33 B-Dubs: 30 weemadarthur: 17 Z-Beat: 16 saenima: 14 Kalor: 13 *Splinter: 10 BronsonLee: 9 Fat4all: 8 Girlofgotham: 8 Muffin: 7 StanleyPalmtree: 6 WhySoDevious: 3
Current Countdown:
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Day Start
Group A
StanleyPalmtree (1 votes)
Stuart444 - #3,870
Hecht (1 votes)
saenima - #3,956
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Group B
saenima (1 votes)
Hecht - #3,892
Kalor (1 votes)
Kitsunelaine - #3,845
Not voting: *Splinter, Muffin, WhySoDevious, Z-Beat, weemadarthur, Zippedpinhead, turmoil7, Fat4all, Kalor, BronsonLee, Girlofgotham, B-Dubs, StanleyPalmtree
Post Counts:
Stuart444: 71 Hecht: 56 Zippedpinhead: 34 Kitsunelaine: 34 turmoil7: 33 B-Dubs: 30 weemadarthur: 17 Z-Beat: 16 saenima: 14 Kalor: 13 *Splinter: 10 BronsonLee: 9 Fat4all: 8 Girlofgotham: 8 Muffin: 7 StanleyPalmtree: 6 WhySoDevious: 3
Current Countdown:
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==== DAY 3 MOVEMENT ====
Day Start
blue room (Active votes: 1)
stuart444 - #3,817
yellow room (Active votes: 1)
weemadarthur - #3,838
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Day Start
blue room (Active votes: 1)
stuart444 - #3,817
yellow room (Active votes: 1)
weemadarthur - #3,838
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So there is no possibility for a 5-5 tie right? Once it gets to 5 it turbos immediately?
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Almost home but I'm not sure what else I can say that I already haven't said
Alright, like I said earlier, blue might be a useful room. It's the only one we can't figure out based on our current information, but it does sound like it could do something very useful. So I'm going to vote for it.
move: blue
move: blue
Anything to debunk Saenima's points? Or actual cases that aren't "I didn't like their vote for me" omgus style posts.