Bear with me. This is a long one.
I know that Hecht has already made his preemptive defense that the scum team is gonna pounce on him today and try to lynch him but hey, town can do that as well.
Hecht day 1:
Early seeds planted on me and Dubs.
When asked for reasons, nah.
It was a joke post. I had one game where I outed a lot of scum on D1, I was referencing that. At the time I just picked names out of a hat, basically.
I explained this. Grizz was grasping at what seemed like straws at the time. A common scum tactic on D1 is to nitpick something to death and try for a mislynch - I thought Grizzly was doing that. Was I wrong? Sure.The Grizzly Train officially starts. No reasons either.
The next few are a doozy:
That's a lot of Grizzly votes. Almost like trying to keep a narrative going that everyone is voting Grizz left and right. Those many votes can't be wrong, right?
With the vote tool down, I thought fep had tied the vote, so I tried to get a last minute vote in to prevent a tie. Regardless, my vote wouldn't have tied it. Try again.And then, literally on the last minute of the day. Nah let's go with a tie maybe.
Hecht day 2:
Back to Dubs. Still nothing read wise.
Oh so it's guts. Ok then:
And here comes the claim:
Kaz immediately buys into it:
Yep, he was the only one. Nobody else did. At all.
Also he probably was the one that tried to kill the first night, since he was only Bulletproof. I assume the other mafia members have more useful things to do, like Lux's Roleblock.
This right here makes no sense. At all:
I asked this and then let it go at the time:
But after GF's flip i'm thinking scum shot him and not Hecht. In comes Hecht during the day with the fake claim that no one can really disprove without a lynch. A lot of town lean reads follow that hinge exclusively on believing a claim that is beneficial to scum and ultimately hurts town. I mean, i'm no expert, but if i were an X-BP townie and scum wasted a shot on me you can bet your ass i'd keep my mouth shut and hope for seconds. What i wouldn't do would be announce to scum i had more vest to go around so they could go shoot somewhere else, like say, the town watcher. Which misteriously died despite having BP as well.
This claim stinks no matter how you look at it.
More to come.
If scum targets someone and they don't die, they have two options. Assume it's a doctor or roleblocker, in which case they don't know what happened or who targeted them. Now, since I claimed BP, they know what happened.
I'll admit I took a gamble there. I claimed multi-shot BP/vests.
I only had one.
My having a BP strongly suggests the inclusion of a strongman.
I had hoped that it would bait a strong kill if scum was dumb enough to believe that I had more than one. It's incredibly rare for anyone to have multiples. With my vest gone, hopefully they'd try to strong-kill me, which means that they weren't using it on anyone else. Now obviously I didn't know that GF had a BP as well, or else I may have done something different. I don't know.
I guarantee 100% that GF was not targeted for a kill the first night unless there was also a vig that targeted them. Looking back at the reads during D1, I had a fair amount of people putting me in the "lean town" category (of those that provided reads, of course). Because of those, I was confident that I would be targeted N1 (not to mention that I tend to get shot early on when I'm Town. People don't like me sticking around).
And it's back to Dubs i guess. Why give reasons:
Then comes these exchanges:
Apparently looking at smaller numbers of people is more important than looking at a pretty obvious train meant to deflect from scum. When i suggested we should be looking at all the trains, the answer i get is no. Just a dismissive no. I get that's probably just Hecht being tired of interacting with me at the time. I get it, i was being pushy. But town should be pushy. Town Hecht should be interested in finding out what the hell was up with the Grizzly train, not trying to guide the game towards the other trains.
This is just common sense and the fact that you're arguing for it hard is suspect. Scum can easily hide off-train, especially on D1. Trying to "save" a member of the scum team, even if it's something great like a roleblocker, is a huge fucking risk. Lo and behold, Kaz and Lux were not on the train. Shocker.
Sure, I had multiple suspects. Hence both of you. At some point I'd love to see BOTH of your flips, but if one happens before the other, I don't really care the order.And now it's on to me:
Unless they were protecting a 3-shot roleblocker ofc:
More of dubs and me. Just to see which one sticks:
God forbid I ask people to summarize something.
More of the same down there. There are literally no reasons given. Ever. Only vague shade.
My top two suspects split their vote within 3 minutes of each other? Yeah, looks suspect to me. I imagine this was the convo:
saenima: "Hey Dubs, my role is more powerful, and they'll probably be looking at the fep votes tomorrow if Kaz is lynched."
Dubs: "You're right. I'll vote fep, you vote Kaz. They couldn't possibly connect us both when we vote differently!"
Kaz was DOA. fep was the only other major candidate at the time. Two flips is better than one, and it didn't look like Kaz was going to show up.
And finally.
Here we go again. Hecht literally gives more of a reason for first time reading Z-Beat as scum with the coasting accusation than he has given for the two players he's been pushing for the entire game. Remarkable.
And here the obvious preemptive defense starts, laying it pretty thick:
At this point i'm pretty convinced that Hecht is scum and will be pushing for my lynch today. He has the ball rolling already.
I don't have any investigative abilities, and anyone who does hasn't provided any info. So of course my reads are going to be on gut and votes. I explained why I was suspect of the people voting for me. You can call it self-preservation, but lynching scum helps everyone else too. The reasoning I have is that I was shot, scum got worried, and decided to throw shade at me in order to get rid of me that way.
This isn't that hard, but I appreciate you putting up a fight. Makes it more fun.