The many unforced errors of the Harry Potter movies

Weegian

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I recently rewatched all of the Harry Potter movies, as one does during lockdown. I was a huge fan of the books growing up, so the movies will always have a special place in my heart despite their flaws (and more recently their author).

Marathoning the movies, it's hard not to notice some glaring inconsistencies:

Underage magic. Witches and wizards under the age of 17 aren't allowed to use magic outside of Hogwarts. In Chamber of Secrets, however, Hermione fixes Harry's broken glasses in Diagon Alley, and Prisoner of Azkaban opens with Harry practicing a spell in his bedroom. Yet in Order of the Phoenix, Harry is expelled after using a patronus charm to save himself and Dudley. The same movie also makes a point out of Fred and George apparating all over the place because they're finally old enough to use magic outside of school.

Voldemort or you-know-who. Everybody knows only total badasses are able to say Voldemort's name without cringing. In Order of the Phoenix, there's a moment when Hermione finally says the name, and it helps Harry decide to teach his fellow students to defend themselves... except the moment falls flat, because Hermione's "Fear of a name only increases the fear of the thing itself" moment from Chamber of Secrets (a line that Dumbledore delivered in the books).

The mirror. In the book version of Order of the Phoenix, Sirius gives Harry a mirror that they can use to communicate. Harry forgets about it, and later rushes off to the Ministry of Magic when he it tricked into thinking that Voldemort has abducted Sirius. Sirius is killed after he and other Order members come to Harry and friends' rescue. The mirror doesn't make an appearance in the movie version of Order of the Phoenix, yet in Deathly Hallows, Harry is somehow in possession of a magical mirror shard that he uses in an emergency to get help.

Those are three of the most egregious ones. We could talk all day about how Harry doesn't repair his wand with the Elder Wand at the end of Deathly Hallows, or the constantly shifting layout of Hogwarts (things get slightly better from Prisoner of Azkaban on) or the dutch angles in Chamber of Secrets (seriously, go rewatch this movie).

To end things on a positive note: set design! Coming from the endless CG blur of today's blockbusters, it's refreshing to see how much of these movies was shot on physical sets - places like the Ministry of Magic and the Burrow really stand out.
 
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Having also grown up with the books, I still love the franchise....but the moment you start being critical a lot of shit starts to fall apart. Even in the books, nvm the movies. Speaking of which, Yates is the worst director. Wish Cuaron continued after 3.
 

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The bit that really baffles me is the Quidditch World Cup in Goblet of Fire. An atrocious terrorist event occurs, absolutely awful - and it's forgotten about immediately after. It blows my mind.

In defence of the filmmakers, the book is really fucking bloated with lots of stuff that needed to be cut and the whole film is easily the worst in the whole series as a result. But the Quidditch World Cup always stands out to me as being so easily forgotten.

To end things on a positive note: set design! Coming from the endless CG blur of today's blockbusters, it's refreshing to see how much of these movies was shot on physical sets - places like the Ministry of Magic and Burrow really stand out.
If you get a chance, visit the Studio Tour outside of London. It really shows the craftsmanship of the films, from the amazing costumes, props and huge sets. Really great.
 

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the ending of 7pt2 was so lame compared to the ending in the book. Why couldn't we get that
 

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The final confrontation between Harry and Voldemort is the biggest one. In the book, everyone gathered and watched as they talked and dueled. It was perfect. In the movie it's just nonsense.
 

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What worries me is that I'm currently coming to the end of reading OOTP and I can't recall Sirius giving Harry the mirror so now I'm sat here contemplating just how bad my short term memory is
 

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The bit that really baffles me is the Quidditch World Cup in Goblet of Fire. An atrocious terrorist event occurs, absolutely awful - and it's forgotten about immediately after. It blows my mind.

In defence of the filmmakers, the book is really fucking bloated with lots of stuff that needed to be cut and the whole film is easily the worst in the whole series as a result. But the Quidditch World Cup always stands out to me as being so easily forgotten.
Having never read the books, that rather stunned me too. Everyone seemed to carry on like everything was normal and there was no threat or that Voldemort could really be back. I was like "Helllloooo people, did you all cast short term memory wipe spells on yourselves?"
 

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I only ever saw the first movie, but the choice that confused me is why they wanted to put the cast in street clothes most of the time they were at Hogwarts. Why are the characters running around in hoodies and jeans? Setting aside faithfulness to the books, people are going to a Harry Potter movie because they want to see witches and wizards. It seems obvious that you would want to make your characters look the part by putting them in wizard robes. Was there some executive who was worried that they couldn't attract the fashion-conscious teen audience? It would be like making a Batman movie where Bruce Wayne doesn't wear the Batsuit.

Underage magic. Witches and wizards under the age of 17 aren't allowed to use magic outside of Hogwarts. In Chamber of Secrets, however, Hermione fixes Harry's broken glasses in Diagon Alley, and Prisoner of Azkaban opens with Harry practicing a spell in his bedroom. Yet in Order of the Phoenix, Harry is expelled after using a patronus charm to save himself and Dudley. The same movie also makes a point out of Fred and George apparating all over the place because they're finally old enough to use magic outside of school.
The same inconsistency about this exists in the books, although I think they mention at some point that there is a difference between using minor and major spells. Think of it as similar to enforcement of speed limits. The cops probably aren't going to go after you for going 1 MPH over the limit. In any case, it's just a simple plot device, so probably not worthy of that much scrutiny in a book about secret wizards existing in modern society. There are much more egregious things you could pick at.
 

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The whole Hermione thing, is actually not an inconsistency.

The charm that tracks underage wizardry, only tracks magic around underage wizards. So for example, if a student underage, was standing next to an adult wizard and they cast a spell, the charm would alert the ministry of magic. It's just assumed that parents would discipline their kids.

A great example of this, is that when Dobby cast that levitation charm in the beginning Chamber of Secrets, the ministry of Magic actually thought it is was Harry who cast it.

So in places where wizards typically are, there really isn't any punishment for using magic. It's just looked down upon. The movies actually touch upon this a little bit in Half Blood Prince too.

Now, if we are to talk about dumb stuff the movies actually did.... Well, that stupid Bellatrix fight in the burrow in Half Blood Prince just sucks. I actually think Half Blood prince was one of the more solid movies, and pretty faithful to the book. But come on? You had to have a miniboss fight in the middle of the movie, that doesn't add anything at all?

Man. That just sucked.

Also the ending of Deathly Hallows too, like everyone was saying.
 

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Having never read the books, that rather stunned me too. Everyone seemed to carry on like everything was normal and there was no threat or that Voldemort could really be back. I was like "Helllloooo people, did you all cast short term memory wipe spells on yourselves?"
I mean, just look at todays reasoning behind MAGA cultist, it isn't impossible, neigh, it is to be expected.
 

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Dumbledore asked calmly
A student he cared deeply about has just inscribed himself to a really dangerous tournament he can't get out of and which he is completely untrained for. Yeah, makes sense to just calmly ask something.

Underage magic. Witches and wizards under the age of 17 aren't allowed to use magic outside of Hogwarts. In Chamber of Secrets, however, Hermione fixes Harry's broken glasses in Diagon Alley, and Prisoner of Azkaban opens with Harry practicing a spell in his bedroom. Yet in Order of the Phoenix, Harry is expelled after using a patronus charm to save himself and Dudley. The same movie also makes a point out of Fred and George apparating all over the place because they're finally old enough to use magic outside of school.
The same inconsistency about this exists in the books, although I think they mention at some point that there is a difference between using minor and major spells. Think of it as similar to enforcement of speed limits. The cops probably aren't going to go after you for going 1 MPH over the limit. In any case, it's just a simple plot device, so probably not worthy of that much scrutiny in a book about secret wizards existing in modern society. There are much more egregious things you could pick at.
They don't actually know who uses spells, only where spells are used. So someone doing a spell in Diagon Alley? Yeah, not going to investigate that. Someone uses a spell in the middle of human city o nthe other hand.
 
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What worries me is that I'm currently coming to the end of reading OOTP and I can't recall Sirius giving Harry the mirror so now I'm sat here contemplating just how bad my short term memory is
Spoilers:

He gives him the present at Christmas, but Harry doesn't unwrap it until the end of the book, which really drives home the point that Harry had a way to contact Sirius all along but fucked up.
 

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Spoilers:

He gives him the present at Christmas, but Harry doesn't unwrap it until the end of the book, which really drives home the point that Harry had a way to contact Sirius all along but fucked up.
Oh that makes sense then haha I haven't come to the very end of the book yet, got 100 pages to go
 

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You would think that reading the source material would be the bare minimum preparation for a role in a movie based on it, but I guess not.
Agreed.

But to be fair, most of the LotR cast hadn't read the books prior to the casting (of course the great Christopher Lee not only read them all, he personally knew Tolkien!).

On the other hand there are directors like Singer (ugh) that are so ashamed of the source material that instruct their actors to NOT read the source material as he did for his X-men movies.
 

Joni

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But to be fair, most of the LotR cast hadn't read the books prior to the casting (of course the great Christopher Lee not only read them all, he personally knew Tolkien!).
Because in the end, it is the director that wants a specific approach or a specific way of thinking. Like, assume someone Hagrid would be suddenly revealed as the big bad in book 4 and there are absolutely no hints to that in book 1-3. Then you don't want your actor to know that either because it will influence what they are doing.
 

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You would think that reading the source material would be the bare minimum preparation for a role in a movie based on it, but I guess not.
That's the director's and scriptwriter's job, for actors it's more like a bonus that should make things easier and more friendly to the fans.
 
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Having never read the books, that rather stunned me too. Everyone seemed to carry on like everything was normal and there was no threat or that Voldemort could really be back. I was like "Helllloooo people, did you all cast short term memory wipe spells on yourselves?"
If I'm remembering correctly, it was Cornelius Fudge who tamped down the attack as he feared losing his position as Minister for Magic since he had claimed for years that Voldemort was dead. It comes up in Order of the Phoenix that he was paranoid Dumbledore was gunning for his job and was using Voldemort's return as a plot against him.
 

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I mean, just look at todays reasoning behind MAGA cultist, it isn't impossible, neigh, it is to be expected.
It stings because it's true 😕

If I'm remembering correctly, it was Cornelius Fudge who tamped down the attack as he feared losing his position as Minister for Magic since he had claimed for years that Voldemort was dead. It comes up in Order of the Phoenix that he was paranoid Dumbledore was gunning for his job and was using Voldemort's return as a plot against him.
Also sounds like real life. Though still seems it would have made slightly bigger waves. Even small terrorist attacks weigh on public psyche.
 

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I found the ending of the book the half blood prince better than the movie. And in the books you can't use cetrain magic in hogwarts, in the movie they give the headmaster a exception .
 

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I know I'm in the minority, but:

Yates' films > Cuaron's Azkaban

Not sure why everyone loves the Azkaban film so much. It was my joint favourite book in the series as a teen (alongside Goblet) and the film pretty much butchers the parts that made it special. And I'm a Cuaron fan.

At least the Yates films feel authentically British. I like the grounded-mixed-with-fantastical feel his films provide. Also, I feel like the film version of Order of the Phoenix is better than the actual book, which was a big let down after Goblet.
 
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I found the ending of the book the half blood prince better than the movie. And in the books you can't use cetrain magic in hogwarts, in the movie they give the headmaster a exception .
I seem to recall that they wanted to save any kind of battle at Hogwarts for Deathly Hallows, which is why the end of Half-Blood Prince movie differs from the book.
 

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What's up with the scoring system in Quidditch? The snitch is basically the only thing that matters it's worth so many points. Total dumbass game.
 

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Dumbledore asked calmly
This was a very stupid moment, but I wish fans made the same complaint about Snapein Half Blood Prince when he just lazily tells Harry that he's the Half Blood Prince. In the books Snape fucking loses it.

Same goes for his death scene in Deathly Hallows when he lovingly touches Harry's face to tell him he has his mother's eyes. In the book he grabs him roughly with his last ounce of strength because the little shit owes him this before he dies.
 

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I think it was in the second or third book around where he finds the night bus Harry thinks he's going to be expelled for using magic, Dumbledore basically tells him he doesn't care because it was only a spell that made his aunt blow up like a balloon, I think it's just major magic spells the Ministry cares about
What's up with the scoring system in Quidditch? The snitch is basically the only thing that matters it's worth so many points. Total dumbass game.
Nah, because even if you caught the snitch first thing you might win the game but if your team didn't have enough points it would work against you if other teams had more points from other games. In one of the books, I think the third book Harry specifically holds off getting the snitch until his team has more points when they were already up like 70 points. You can also lose if you get the snitch and the other team has enough points from just scoring goals, I think that actually happened in one of the world cups
 

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seems less like unforced errors and more like different takes on the HP franchise

imo, kids home from summer would 100% practice their magic whether or not it was legal (they even say later they leave it to parents to keep track of that, and only abuse it later to track after Harry)

in the book OotP Harry pretty much forgets the mirror exists, and it doesn’t come into play later, seems better to just streamline it later with the movies, rather than ask the audiance to remember sommit that’s important yet innocuous 2 movies previously.
 

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Underage magic. Witches and wizards under the age of 17 aren't allowed to use magic outside of Hogwarts. In Chamber of Secrets, however, Hermione fixes Harry's broken glasses in Diagon Alley, and Prisoner of Azkaban opens with Harry practicing a spell in his bedroom. Yet in Order of the Phoenix, Harry is expelled after using a patronus charm to save himself and Dudley. The same movie also makes a point out of Fred and George apparating all over the place because they're finally old enough to use magic outside of school.
This is explained in the books. The trace doesn't detect magic done by an udnerage wizard, but magic performed around an underage wizard. It's only useful on kids in muggle homes as magic is going off all the time in wizard homes and the ministry can't tell.

It's still not consistent though. Right after Harry is nearly expelled and the Order comes to take him away, Tonks starts performing magic in the Dursely's house.
 
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I know I'm in the minority, but:

Yates' films > Cuaron's Azkaban

Not sure why everyone loves the Azkaban film so much. It was my joint favourite book in the series as a teen (alongside Goblet) and the film pretty much butchers the parts that made it special. And I'm a Cuaron fan.

At least the Yates films feel authentically British. I like the grounded-mixed-with-fantastical feel his films provide. Also, I feel like the film version of Order of the Phoenix is better than the actual book, which was a big let down after Goblet.
Same, there are so many plot points either glossed over or completely left out and so many odd random moments or drawn out silent scenes added. The pacing seems off and the editing just seems weird.
 

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I know I'm in the minority, but:

Yates' films > Cuaron's Azkaban

Not sure why everyone loves the Azkaban film so much. It was my joint favourite book in the series as a teen (alongside Goblet) and the film pretty much butchers the parts that made it special. And I'm a Cuaron fan.

At least the Yates films feel authentically British. I like the grounded-mixed-with-fantastical feel his films provide. Also, I feel like the film version of Order of the Phoenix is better than the actual book, which was a big let down after Goblet.
Yates sucks the color out of the films, looks very dull and it isn’t like he has a great eye for visuals to make up for it either. But thay would be a minor nitpick.

Mostly it’s how everyone a lot of the time stands around looking dumb, so many awkward moments between characters. Who also act as if instructed to keep it down. Could go on but for me he is a poor director who shouldn’t have been given the keys to the Potterverse.
 

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This is explained in the books. The trace doesn't detect magic done by an udnerage wizard, but magic performed around an underage wizard. It's only useful on kids in muggle homes as magic is going off all the time in wizard homes and the ministry can't tell.
Yeah the Weasleys do magic all the time outside of Hogwarts
 

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We deserved better Bellatrix and Voldemort deaths in the movies than what we got.
I always interpreted Voldemort’s death in the book to be intentionally anticlimactic. The whole point is that without his arsenal of protections and wizarding cheat codes, he’s just another wizard that can and will be killed. Harry hit him with a simple disarm spell, the elder wand reflected Voldemort’s killing spell, and he’s just dead. Simply dead.

I always thought that was a fitting end for Voldemort.
 

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I have never seen any harry potter movie. Is this a good series and can i just watch some of them? Has it aged well?
 

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I always interpreted Voldemort’s death in the book to be intentionally anticlimactic. The whole point is that without his arsenal of protections and wizarding cheat codes, he’s just another wizard that can and will be killed. Harry hit him with a simple disarm spell, the elder wand reflected Voldemort’s killing spell, and he’s just dead. Simply dead.

I always thought that was a fitting end for Voldemort.
Harry defeated Voldemort by outsmarting him. Him taunting Voldemort then using magic rules-lawyering to defeat him was great.

I have never seen any harry potter movie. Is this a good series and can i just watch some of them? Has it aged well?
Most people who haven't read the books seem to enjoy them. Most book readers think they range from meh to good.
 

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In the Goblet of Fire doesn't Dumbledore ask Harry calmly before bringing him up to his office to question him more? I think the outburst in the movie is to convey the seriousness without having extra exposition around it. It stinks from a altering a character perspective but it does it's job of helping to trim the film down.

I wish the film was two parts as it would've let them actually show the quidditch world cup (though that may have been a cost saving thing on cgi) and let the challenges/solutions have room to breath. As it's a single movie though it's actually really well done for the amount of content they had to cram and still make it enjoyable to non book fans. The fact the movie does that and it's shorter than Chamber of Secrets is actually very impressive.
 

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Giving Voldemort a cool fading to dark death instead of simply becoming a rotting corpse which was his biggest fear AND the point of his defeat.
 

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One day they’re going to make a tv show that gives book super fans what they want. I thought the movies did an OK job and given how much people love the source material, thought they did a decent job. not perfect, but decent.
 
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I have never seen any harry potter movie. Is this a good series and can i just watch some of them? Has it aged well?
First 2 films are comfy as fuck. I love watching them during the holidays. The 3rd film has Alfonso Cuaron behind the camera and is, in my opinion, the best film of the series. 4th film is trash. 5-7 are pretty good, with the 6th film being the standout in terms of story and emotional weight.
 

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As an observer of both these films and LOTR around the same time as each other and as a person that had read books from neither, it was very difficult for me to understand how anyone was in love with the Potter films as LOTR did fantasy so much better. I have moderated that feeling more recently, knowing that the fantasy is just very different. But still, I dont consider the potter films high quality at all.
 

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I noticed the Voldemort/You-Know-Who thing recently too. It's weird because you'll have characters like Arthur Weasley snap at Harry for not saying "You-Know-Who" in one movie but go around saying Voldemort without any issue in a different one.

I hate people blaming the actor on this. The script literally says:
Yeah I get tired of people using that scene to be like "LOL Michael Gambon SUCKS." There was a whole team behind the cameras who saw that scene and thought great, put it in post. If they wanted Gambon to do something more like the book they would have said so.

Might be a hot take but I also don't mind that Gambon didn't read the books. It's not in the IMDB snippet but he explained it more thoroughly in a different quote - even if the script is an adaptation of a book, he's still not doing Rowling's Dumbledore, he's doing Steve Kloves' take on the character. He might borrow some of the same lines but a lot of the dialogue in the HP movies is paraphrased or wholly original. If Kloves does his job (which I would say he doesn't always manage successfully!) the actor should be able to get everything they need from the script.