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Marvel Cinematic Universe | We had a good run, and now it's over
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Iceman and Firestar, you look so different.
EDIT: Also, Marvel, unless you're talking about bringing Spidey back into the MCU you can stfu about Spider-Man kthanks.
With Kevin Feige announcing 10 projects up till 2021 during Comic Con and saying he has 11 projects up till 2021, and Spider-Man not being a secure deal after all, I'm wondering if one of today's three announced shows is for 2020-2021, or if we're getting a surprise Deadpool movie announcement tomorrow, or if it was likely just a slip of the tongue.
It just means Spider-Man will still happen
Feige has a plan, you have got to keep faith
It would be nice if something good happened in MCU with Spidey after the end of FFH.
Especially since I'll be long done with The Dark Crystal by then.
That would be lame as hell. Especially since they will undoubtedly retcon bae SW to be a mutant like she's supposed to.
I actually think there'll be as soft/hard reboot to some of those TV properties from netflix and abc. Daredevil, Punisher? Soft reboot. Inhumans definitely a full on reboot and Ms. Marvel is a good way to do that and introduce them and do them the right way.
Yeah but we got three amazing seasons of Daredevil so I'm not mad. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯If it wasn't for Netflix we could have had a Daredevil show for Disney+.
Those are some amazing lineups for Disney+. Hopefully Disney will roll-out the streaming service globally by next year.
He's said words to the effect in the past year that having Spider-Man is absolutely essential to the MCU. Disney's not just going to ignore his wishes.
I really think that a deal is more likely than not given that Tom Holland has the option in the contract for a third movie. And I don't think it's mainly about the money for him but he'd still be losing all the money he'd be making from future MCU team up movies.
I also think the initial leak was maybe done by Sony and not Disney, because it seems insane to think Disney would do something like that just days before D23. It's more likely Sony would think Disney would agree to a deal by D23.
I think a lot of the freak-out is because the details leaked mid-way. I'm just waiting to see how things shake out long-term.
Agreed.
If the Marvel Studios shows break out as big as I expect them to, I think Marvel Studios will be handling all live-action versions of marvel characters (excluding Sony's characters) from here on out.
Marvel Television will probably still be around but working on other ways to adapt characters.
But I expect any Marvel property that was adapted to get "definitive edtions" via the Marvel Studios version if Disney+ and Marvel Studios succeed.
Really wish Sony would have taken Disney up on that 25% offer.
The offer sounds really good. But I can also understand why Sony would not want to be beholden to MCUs release schedule unless Disney makes some huge financial concessions like with the original deal.
Sony's sitting on a goldmine of like 900 spider-man characters. Theoretically enough to rival the frequency of MCUs output. Sony also has the rights to live-action TV, so looking at Spider-Man's potential on streaming services has got to be enticing as well. They see the potential to make a ton of money by putting out Spidey content more regularly than MCU would reasonably be able to do.
It hurts as a fan, but no ones is really looking at the opportunity costs both companies endure when they make such a deal. I think we're EXTREMELY lucky we got what we got out of the first deal. It's unheard of - so I'm not going to get my hopes up that they'll work something out.
My best case , fantasy scenario- Sony and Disney come to an agreement that allows Tom Holland's Parker to stay in MCU. They'd probably have to squeeze him into Phase 4 appearances to make it worthwhile for Sony - who wouldn't want to wait forever to use him in a movie.
Meanwhile Sony would agree to use Miles Morales as the anchor for their Sony Universe of Marvel Characters.
Then at some point in Phase 5, assuming Sony's Universe isn't utter shit, we get a crossover event where marvel and Sony's universes Collide.
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I don't think the deal marvel offer prevent Sony to make non mcu Spider-man movies. They could still do all the spiderverse spinoff they want for example
You're right, but requiring Feige involvement would both limit Peter Parker films and take time away from releasing Disney's MCU films.
As it stands now Sony will likely use Holland's Parker in their Sony Universe - which stinks. I imagine any agreement would prevent that.
But at the same time, Disney would see the benefit of positive optics as well as Peter in other MCU.
Kat Dennings!!!!!
YASSSSS
Pretty sure the sitcom is Wanda's way of dealing with breaking down.... I absolutely predict a gut wrenching finale where the sitcom world starts to break down and get fucked as Wanda's reality starts to shatter.
It's proof of exactly what I've been saying, Disney can lose Peter a barely miss a beat.
I hate to say it, but I doubt the positive optics nor Spider-Man are worth that much to the MCU in the long run. They've got a ton of other characters to generate positive optics around and they won't have to sacrifice release dates nor hundreds of millions annually to Sony to get it.
For their efforts, Disney could have put a character they own in Far From Home's slot and kept the profits from that Billion dollar movie instead of watching Sony collect it all.
When it comes down to dollars and sense,
I get why talks stalled. The Spider-Man IP is a huge opportunity for Sony, and it really not that big of one for Disney, considering the success they have with all of the characters they do hold rights to and they fact they already own all the merchandising. I keep saying it, but it's a miracle we got what we got- Disney basically made 2 blockbuster movies for mostly Sony's benefit, ( no I'm not saying Disney is charitable or didn't get anything, I'm saying CW, IW and Endgame are the same massive hits with or without Spidey) So while disappointed, I can rest easy knowing that we ever had Spidey in the MCU at all.
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I'm 100% convinced the Eternals movie replaced the Inhumans one after all the fiasco that happened. It's a shame because it could have been way more interesting given the characters available.
So you don't think that they're gonna try negotiating again & that the dream is 100% dead?
I'm sure negotiations will continue. But I think In order for it to make financial sense to Disney, Sony is continually going to be asked to concede a lot more than they are comfortable doing. So I'm not optimistic.
The disparity between how the two companies stand to financially benefit from the Movie rights is massive. Spider-Man movies are everything to Sony Pictures and provide negligible benefit to Disney- they are basically just an expense. That sticking point isn't going anywhere.
I feel like they'll reach some kind of an agreement eventually, probably by year's end. And I wouldn't be surprised if it was a 20% co-financing agreement on Disney's part.
Far From Home made around $1.1 billion, if I'm not mistaken. Obviously Disney's gonna want a decent amount of compensation for diverting their own resources. At least with 20%, Sony would at least see comparable revenue as something like Venom (assuming that the first movie wasn't a fluke in terms of financial success). Though I can also see Disney asking for something else on top of that in compensation, such as access to more of the Spider-Man characters in other MCU films & Disney+ shows (Ex: Kraven in Black Panther, Norman Osborn in Avengers, etc.) as long as Feige & Co. keep pumping out Spider-Man films every 2-3 years. That may not seem like much on paper from the standpoint of the executives, but I could see the idea of having essentially the entire Marvel playground at their disposal as an enticing offer for future directors & writers that Feige may want to bring into the MCU fold in the long-term.
My guess is that Brie Larson will make a guest appearance in the first episode and Kamala will somehow absorb some of Carol's cosmic energy, which leads her to name herself Ms. Marvel after Captain Marvel.
I'm pretty sure a 2021 release for Spider-Man 3 is a definite thing so he would have been planned to be in Phase 4.
I'm sure there's some formula that would appease both parties. I'm just not sure how much energy they'll put into finding it.
I bet after Venom and FFH they are seriously they have the experience and assets to make Billion dollar movies without having to give Disney a quarter of their profits.
You couldn't pay me to move to the US.
(If that's where you meant)
It'd be nice if they played up the mentor-student aspect, which I think the comics haven't really done that much.
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