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The Massacre in March: Animal Crossing vs Final Fantasy 7 Remake
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Final Fantasy is among the biggest JRPG franchises out there, and FFVII is arguably one of the best, if not the best ever releases within that franchise. Even social media and view metrics for FFVIIR dwarf Animal Crossing New Horizons.
Don't get me wrong, I'm expecting AC to still do really well, but I'm still very surprised its topping a Remake to an all time great titan like FFVII on here.
To my knowledge, the best selling AC console game to date is AC: City Folk (Wii) with 4.32m sales. Are you and others really expecting AC Switch to sell quadruple that?
I know Switch games are selling gang busters, but is that sort of a difference really a possibility? Twilight Princess (Wii/U) still sold 10m.
The Switch base being smaller than previous systems base mean jack. Video gaming is bigger than then. Mario Odyssey is the best selling 3D Mario game even though the Switch hasn't even sold half of the Wii.
They'll just lock upgrades to the new version + add a "preview chapter" or something similar for the next installment and get another $60
Wow, I don't know about sales more than I thought, lmao. I'll concede lifetime sales then. Not year one, though.
The best selling Animal Crossing is New Leaf which is 12 million. That's the baseline not whatever AC Wii game you're trying to use.
IF both games turn out good then Animal Crossing, no question. FF7R1 might lead to new franchise heights, it might outsell the original, but it won't sell as much as AC. Guess 12m for FF7 and 14-16 for AC.
And it's still, ultimately, a JRPG.
Stop thinking of Switch as purely a home console. It's clearly not and there's also the Lite out there. Or are you expecting Pokemon to sell like those GameCube games?
You're basing the ceiling of New Horizons on a game released in 2008? By that logic, Pokémon SwSh should be selling like Pokémon Battle Revolution.
Curious if Persona 5 Royal will impact things considering it's also releasing in March overseas.
New Leaf has outsold every Final Fantasy except for VII, and we're only getting a partial version of VII at best in the remake. I'd say Animal Crossing is the right call, especially since this "remake" will undoubtedly just get rebranded in the future and people will want to wait for the full experience... particularly if this title ends up being a glorified Midgar proof of concept.
AC has the momentum from New Leaf and is on Switch, it's poised to become one of Nintendo's best selling titles if they don't mess up the game itself.
AC has the momentum from New Leaf and is on Switch, it's poised to become one of Nintendo's best selling titles if they don't mess up the game itself.
Final Fantasy VI sold a few million on the SNES so FFVIIR will probably sell like 5 million or so.
The Switch Lite, a dedicated handheld Switch exists alongside the original hybrid version. Therefore AC is both a console and handheld game - comparisons should be made to the last handheld entry in the series.
Animal Crossing will also be the last big and probably biggest hardware seller and audience expander that the Switch will get. It's so popular with different demographics that aren't usually into console gaming.
Yeah, I agree with this. I think ff7 will have a stronger opening and sell more initially, but AC will eventually surpass it over time.
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Unfortunately I wouldn't know where to begin to look for the global install base at the end of 2012 or beginning of 2013
That's a spin off with far less appeal, not a mainline title like Let's Go or Sword and Shield.
end FY 2013 for 3DS?
~13M?
Let's Go ended up selling in line with most Pokémon remakes while SwSh is selling gangbusters and poised to unseat both XY and SuMo's LTD, so using City Folk as a point of comparison for New Horizons is still really disingenuous.
Oh it sold 4.3 on on Wii? In that case the bottom for AC on Switch is 16.32 (12+4.32) because Switch is the successor to console and handheld. Game sales performance will reflect that. Animal Crossing as a franchise is trending higher, and other Nintendo franchises are huge. For instance SSBU compared to its 3DS and WiiU counterpart. SSBU has almost passed their combined sales, and its only been a year.
Since the game released at different times in Japan and overseas:
Japan
7.94m 3DS shipped 1 month before New Leaf -> 10.88m 2 months after New Leaf
2.73m ACNL shipped in 2 months -> 5.79m as of December 2018
Overseas
19.55m 3DS shipped 2 months before New Leaf -> 20.31m 1 month after New Leaf
1.19m ACNL shipped in 1 month (+0.06m from Asia where it launched during the previous fiscal year) -> 6.31m as of December 2018
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VIIR is going to get ported to half a dozen platforms, so I expect it to sell the most.
Just the PS4 SKU versus AC? New Horizons, easily.
Just the PS4 SKU versus AC? New Horizons, easily.
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Interesting! Very interesting. New Leaf had a pretty modest debut in the West, and really seems to have legged it out from there.
It seems like the game kept selling to new owners of the 3DS for nearly the entire life of the system
Honestly if you ask me, Doom Eternal is way bigger than Animal Crossing. But ive never been an Animal Crossing fan. I suppose there have been a lot of fans for it in the last 8-10 years. I just do not see it on a level any where near Pokemon, Mario or Zelda.
We don't really have to ask. The facts are there in the sales.
AKA I don't know jack about sales and vote with my emotions the thread.
HOWEVER, even acknowledging this, I'm still going to give this one to FFVII. Here are the reasons.
1. The casual 3DS crowd I think will not be moving to the switch soon. My belief is that the success in Zelda and Mario Odyssey is largely attributed to the Male 18-35 demographic in the EU and NA regions. Gender skews in NA reports further this correlation. https://www.resetera.com/threads/nintendo-shares-gender-and-age-breakdown-of-us-switch-buyers.2852/ Due to this, as well as an increase in price ($40 to $60 at least in NA) NH will not reach the same heights as NL in sales.
2. FFXV hit 9 million while being let's face it, fairly poorly received in comparison to other FF titles. Unless FFVIIR reviews somehow worse, I believe it'll line up somewhere around this territory. Yes the scope is reduced from a full remake but I don't think that should impact the game tremendously unless it reviews bad. The advantage of multiplatform cannot be overstated.
So as much as other titles received the 'switch bump', continuing middling sales numbers of titles such as Labo, 1-2 switch seems to indicate that the switch is STILL mostly composed a demographic that I feel isn't as receptive of an AC title. I don't see this changing in the future either judging by sales performance of switch lite in japan (AC's strongest region) and other data.
Thus, in this instance, I give my vote to FFVIIR.
HOWEVER, even acknowledging this, I'm still going to give this one to FFVII. Here are the reasons.
1. The casual 3DS crowd I think will not be moving to the switch soon. My belief is that the success in Zelda and Mario Odyssey is largely attributed to the Male 18-35 demographic in the EU and NA regions. Gender skews in NA reports further this correlation. https://www.resetera.com/threads/nintendo-shares-gender-and-age-breakdown-of-us-switch-buyers.2852/ Due to this, as well as an increase in price ($40 to $60 at least in NA) NH will not reach the same heights as NL in sales.
2. FFXV hit 9 million while being let's face it, fairly poorly received in comparison to other FF titles. Unless FFVIIR reviews somehow worse, I believe it'll line up somewhere around this territory. Yes the scope is reduced from a full remake but I don't think that should impact the game tremendously unless it reviews bad. The advantage of multiplatform cannot be overstated.
So as much as other titles received the 'switch bump', continuing middling sales numbers of titles such as Labo, 1-2 switch seems to indicate that the switch is STILL mostly composed a demographic that I feel isn't as receptive of an AC title. I don't see this changing in the future either judging by sales performance of switch lite in japan (AC's strongest region) and other data.
Thus, in this instance, I give my vote to FFVIIR.
For March, I agree. Doom is multi plat and on PC, and FFVIIR is highly awaited. I do not see a Switch only game selling more than the other two. I wouldnt be surprised if AC sells close to what Persona 5 Royal sells.
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Interesting analysis! Do you have a ballpark for where you expect these titles to end up?
Though it should be noted, I supposed, that FF7R will not be immediately multiplat
Hmm, it's actually a tough one. AC is the safe bet, I think, and it's also my personal choice as the game I care about more.
Lifetime.. probably AC but it will be relatively close. It'll sell over 15m copies and I don't think FF7 will quite get there.. but maybe when they eventually release all the parts in one package it'll get past it. On the plus side for Animal Crossing, there probably won't be another one this gen to affect it's evergreen sales possibilities.
That breakdown is two years old, so pretty outdated and not a good basis for your argument.
You are also mistaken if you think games like Zelda, Mario Kart and Pokémon only attract male gamers. Especially the latter, of which already two games exist on the system probably brought also alot of women to the platform.
Have you forgotten about the sales success of Super Mario Party or the current success of Ring Fit Adventure? What an bad argument, to base it on Labo and 1,2 Switch (which sold well for what it was).
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I also think you're overestimating the popularity of JRPGs. FFXV got its sales from the hype - reviews weren't stellar but the money had already been spent by most weird fans at that point.Yes, FFVII is a big name but I don't think it's big enough to beat out a Nintendo tentpole.
That data on the switch user base is over two years old now so is pretty out if date. They've since released the Lite to entice in the non-core market.
I also think you're overestimating the popularity of JRPGs. FFXV got its sales from the hype - reviews weren't stellar but the money had already been spent by most weird fans at that point.Yes, FFVII is a big name but I don't think it's big enough to beat out a Nintendo tentpole.
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