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beelulzebub

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Oct 25, 2017
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Hey! Any of you in the LA area interested in seeing Mr. Bungle tonight? I’ve got one extra ticket.

Scott Ian and Dave Lombardo will be there, and the set list is going to be old thrash metal Bungle wrote before their studio albums. PM me if you’re interested, will give the ticket at cost.
 

Bitanator

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Oct 27, 2017
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Hey! Any of you in the LA area interested in seeing Mr. Bungle tonight? I’ve got one extra ticket.

Scott Ian and Dave Lombardo will be there, and the set list is going to be old thrash metal Bungle wrote before their studio albums. PM me if you’re interested, will give the ticket at cost.
I'm going to the SF show on the 8th
 

coma

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Oct 28, 2017
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Please let us know how it is. I've been debating whether I want to bother using StubHub for the NYC show.

Hopefully they end up playing their other material at some point.
 

Firmament1

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Aug 15, 2019
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Recently started getting into Metallica. A friend of mine recommended Death Magnetic, and Hardwired... To Self Destruct.

Both of these albums are a fucking blast to listen to. Never been one to really think about albums, or musical artists until now.

I really gotta get into Master of Puppets, Ride the Lightning, and Justice For All.
 

selfReg

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Oct 26, 2017
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IMO their first three albums are pillars of metal and if you're new to them you should start from the beginning AKA Kill 'Em All. But Ride the Lightning is my personal favorite. I could listen to Fight Fire with Fire forever, basically.
 

Bitanator

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Oct 27, 2017
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If you loved Hardwired, listen to Load, as Hardwired was a melding of that style writing and more thrash aesthetic. You can always pm me so I can dump a years worth of music recommendations too.
 

coma

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Oct 28, 2017
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Ride and Master are their only essential albums. Rest have some great songs. Until they turn into a joke.
 

coma

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Oct 28, 2017
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Seems like Mr. Bungle did a bunch of covers at their first reunion show. S.O.D., Siege, Circle Jerks, The Exploited, etc.
 
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Bitanator

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Oct 27, 2017
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California Deathfest tickets now available, nobody told me. Was able to get a ticket for the Pestilence and Onslaught day.
 
Oct 28, 2017
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Staples Center
I always thought the magic of Blackwater Park was gone...but I guess not. Now I remember why this still continues to be my favorite album of all time. Haven't heard it in such a while, though.
 
Oct 28, 2017
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Recently started getting into Metallica. A friend of mine recommended Death Magnetic, and Hardwired... To Self Destruct.

Both of these albums are a fucking blast to listen to. Never been one to really think about albums, or musical artists until now.

I really gotta get into Master of Puppets, Ride the Lightning, and Justice For All.
Ah Metallica. I shit on them a lot (and make me be clear, they are overrated), but they're still a great band. Their first four albums are all still classic albums in my eyes.

I used to think Kill 'Em all was a tad bit overrated, but now I don't think so. I used to find it kind of amateurish, but not anymore. I do think Lars is the weak link on the album though, even moreoso than later albums.
 
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Strafer

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Oct 25, 2017
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The new LoG track is great but damn I miss Chris Adlers drumming.

Nothing against the new one

 

DrM

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Oct 26, 2017
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Heaven Shall Burn started a new sub-genre, environmetal (warning, video contains graphic scenes)


Also, Minenwerfer's latest album is fantastic
 

Firmament1

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Aug 15, 2019
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If you loved Hardwired, listen to Load, as Hardwired was a melding of that style writing and more thrash aesthetic. You can always pm me so I can dump a years worth of music recommendations too.
Thanks, I'll take you up on that offer right now.

If it's any help, my 5 favourite songs were Atlas Rise, Hardwired, Day That Never Comes, All Nightmare Long, and End of The Line.
 

RDreamer

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Oct 25, 2017
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I honestly never got that into Sepultura, but I'm listening to the new one and I'm honestly really digging it.
 

Bitanator

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Oct 27, 2017
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I don't recognize the band after Chaos AD, they've been absolute shit since then. Always give them a chance but it just does not hit right.
 
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got my early bird 3-day ticket to migration fest 2020 for $125
most stoked to see false, krallice, falls of rauros, yellow eyes, yautja on the same bill
there are a handful of others I'm really geeked about too, but those bands alone are worth the price for me.
 

Morrigan

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Oct 24, 2017
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Peaked with Beneath The Remains. Should have broken up after Arise.
This. Chaos AD is actually pretty shit. Don't think I'll even bother with the new one unless everyone assures me it's "totally a return to form" or w/e (and even then it usually isn't, but I might at least give it a chance... otherwise, waste of time).
 

UnderSiege

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Mar 5, 2019
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This. Chaos AD is actually pretty shit. Don't think I'll even bother with the new one unless everyone assures me it's "totally a return to form" or w/e (and even then it usually isn't, but I might at least give it a chance... otherwise, waste of time).
I mean, if you think Chaos A.D. is shit, and presumably most/all stuff after that as well, there's no real reason to expect to like the new one. They're not going to go 100% old school thrash again. The first three songs on the new one contain quite some thrash, but it's never going to be full on old school again with Sepultura.

However, the new one is great. I've never stopped loving Sepultura, and if you enjoy the post-Arise stuff, then both the new one, Quadra, and the previous one, Machine Messiah, are well worth checking out.

Peaked with Beneath The Remains. Should have broken up after Arise.
This is a shit take. Been a long time since I read online metal discussion, but I guess I'm reminded why. The old-school-or-break-up attitude is so intensely boring and devoid of imagination.
I don't recognize the band after Chaos AD, they've been absolute shit since then.
Slightly less shit. But pretty horrible take as well.

Anyway, the new one has plenty of old and new school elements, lots of riffage, good solos, crazy performancy by Eloy (drummer) and probably Derrick's most varied and mature vocal performance ever. Really good stuff.
 

Bitanator

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Oct 27, 2017
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I mean, if you think Chaos A.D. is shit, and presumably most/all stuff after that as well, there's no real reason to expect to like the new one. They're not going to go 100% old school thrash again. The first three songs on the new one contain quite some thrash, but it's never going to be full on old school again with Sepultura.

However, the new one is great. I've never stopped loving Sepultura, and if you enjoy the post-Arise stuff, then both the new one, Quadra, and the previous one, Machine Messiah, are well worth checking out.


This is a shit take. Been a long time since I read online metal discussion, but I guess I'm reminded why. The old-school-or-break-up attitude is so intensely boring and devoid of imagination.

Slightly less shit. But pretty horrible take as well.

Anyway, the new one has plenty of old and new school elements, lots of riffage, good solos, crazy performancy by Eloy (drummer) and probably Derrick's most varied and mature vocal performance ever. Really good stuff.
You did not even quote me fully, for one. The band is not that interesting anymore to me, their last album released had some interesting material and I posted some impressions on it, but it just did not stick with me. We've had a spirited discussion on here a while back on their post Arise material, and I still think people are nuts for not liking Chaos AD, but respect their opinions outright.
 

UnderSiege

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Mar 5, 2019
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You did not even quote me fully, for one. The band is not that interesting anymore to me, their last album released had some interesting material and I posted some impressions on it, but it just did not stick with me. We've had a spirited discussion on here a while back on their post Arise material, and I still think people are nuts for not liking Chaos AD, but respect their opinions outright.
Sure. Your take wasn't as bad as the guy who said they should've broken up when he stopped liking them. But it's still odd that you call them shit when you apparently even like some of their previous album. And sure, I agree, people are nuts for not liking Chaos A.D. They're also nuts for not liking Roots. People are even nuts for not liking Against. So that would be the majority of metal lovers around the globe. Oh well.
 

Bitanator

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Sure. Your take wasn't as bad as the guy who said they should've broken up when he stopped liking them. But it's still odd that you call them shit when you apparently even like some of their previous album. And sure, I agree, people are nuts for not liking Chaos A.D. They're also nuts for not liking Roots. People are even nuts for not liking Against. So that would be the majority of metal lovers around the globe. Oh well.
I can still like the ideas presented in an album while not fully buying into it, execution wise, it has been shit. Machine Messiah was one of their last attempts that I was initially interested in musically and I'm currently two listens into Quadra left wondering why I'm wasting my time. I'll never not give them a chance, because they are a band I listen to every day, so I am always holding out hope they can give me something close to Propaganda at least
 

UnderSiege

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Mar 5, 2019
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I can still like the ideas presented in an album while not fully buying into it, execution wise, it has been shit. Machine Messiah was one of their last attempts that I was initially interested in musically and I'm currently two listens into Quadra left wondering why I'm wasting my time.
I would stop, hahah. It obviously isn't for you then. What are you either missing or expecting?
 

Bitanator

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Oct 27, 2017
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I would stop, hahah. It obviously isn't for you then. What are you either missing or expecting?
I'm missing that distinctive attitude the band had, Max was able to bring out a different level there. As a live act, this new album will kill, personally, but I love Power Trip live too and hate their albums.
 

UnderSiege

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Mar 5, 2019
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I'm missing that distinctive attitude the band had, Max was able to bring out a different level there. As a live act, this new album will kill, personally, but I love Power Trip live too and hate their albums.
Hm alright, fair enough. To me, what left with Max was a lot of the catchiness. Simple riffs that hook you and make you bop your head. His post-Sepultura work almost entirely consists of that kind of stuff. Without Max, Sepultura are a bit dryer, is how I would describe it. But when it's good, it's still really good to me.

Ah yeah, Power Trip. Heard one song of them and it bored me to death, but I can indeed imagine it's quite fun to experience live.
 

coma

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Oct 28, 2017
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This is a shit take. Been a long time since I read online metal discussion, but I guess I'm reminded why. The old-school-or-break-up attitude is so intensely boring and devoid of imagination.
lol, you're taking it a little too serious. But also, there's no reason for them to exist as "Sepultura" at this point after the style and lineup changes. You can enjoy the music, but it's not the same band. If they were confident in what they were producing in 2020 it should stand on its own.
 

UnderSiege

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lol, you're taking it a little too serious. But also, there's no reason for them to exist as "Sepultura" at this point after the style and lineup changes. You can enjoy the music, but it's not the same band. If they were confident in what they were producing in 2020 it should stand on its own.
I mean, bands evolve. Would you want Napalm Death to change their name now? There was no reason for Sepultura to change their name after Max left, and Derrick's twice as long in the band as Max ever was, so why would they need to change their name? It's an odd sentiment to me. 99% of all bands have line-up changes and don't change their name. I'm pretty sure Andreas is quite confident in his material and in no way feels he has to change the band's name, because that would be an absurd thought to him. Sepultura were never a stable band stylistically either. So, eh
 

Morrigan

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Oct 24, 2017
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Never understood why people

a) get so mad at others not liking their favourite music, and
b) think it's cool to insult others for it
c) and of course generalize, attribute motives of narrow-mindedness, elitism, etc.

Saying "this band is shit" is more offensive to y'all than saying "your taste is shit". Despite the first statement applying to a band and the other being a personal attack. Can't wrap my mind around this. And of course it's the mean elitists who are the "toxic" ones. Pfft.
 

UnderSiege

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Mar 5, 2019
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Never understood why people

a) get so mad at others not liking their favourite music, and
b) think it's cool to insult others for it
c) and of course generalize, attribute motives of narrow-mindedness, elitism, etc.

Saying "this band is shit" is more offensive to y'all than saying "your taste is shit". Despite the first statement applying to a band and the other being a personal attack. Can't wrap my mind around this. And of course it's the mean elitists who are the "toxic" ones. Pfft.
When somebody says a band should break up after they don't like the music anymore, it's perfectly fine to call that a shit take. And if they weren't serious, as they said, then who cares anymore? So, yeah, my comment was about someone saying a band should break up. But hey, you didn't quote me, so who knows who you're talking about.
 

coma

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Oct 28, 2017
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Would you want Napalm Death to change their name now?
Yes, they haven't been interesting in decades.

The number of bands, regardless of genre, that have continued to produce quality music 20-30+ years into their careers, is incredibly small. The number of bands who have evolved their style and maintained that original level of quality is also incredibly small. There's nothing wrong with starting a new project instead of trying to use your past to generate interest.

More bands should be like Repulsion. Less bands should be like Terrorizer.