Tulip sounds like metal from the future — more specifically, metal that comes from the cyberpunk future so many movies, games, and books from the 1980s and 1990s envisioned for our time. As this Minneapolis band grinds forth with square-peg-in-round-hole timings and rhythms, they maintain a brute, industrial force like that of Author & Punisher. But Tulip answers another question: what would happen if Meshuggah and The Locust formed a technological cult with music as its form of prayer?
If you haven't heard them yet, the singer's other band is probably the best grind band out of the Czech Republic.Somehow I am now just being introduced to a grind band that focuses on Troma. Where have they been all my life? lol
This is sweet. Sounds kinda like No Redeeming Social Value but more thrashy.
Sacred Reich - Don't Do It Donnie
Pay special attention to the pages for Metallica, Slayer, oh and Rotting Christ...
Pay special attention to the pages for Metallica, Slayer, oh and Rotting Christ...
Couldn't agree more. Everything after Justice Metallica wise sucks and shouldn't even be considered canon.
Their last two albums were actually good.Having an opinion does not equal elitism. I'll disagree with Andrew as I rather like Load, but in no way was he pounding his chest proclaiming "anybody who likes these is not a 'real' metalhead like me".
Very hard to find real elitism around the metal scene and it is normally used incorrectly as a toss around word people call people whose taste does not align with theirs on forums like this
Having an opinion does not equal elitism. I'll disagree with Andrew as I rather like Load, but in no way was he pounding his chest proclaiming "anybody who likes these is not a 'real' metalhead like me".
Very hard to find real elitism around the metal scene and it is normally used incorrectly as a toss around word people call people whose taste does not align with theirs on forums like this
There's a difference between not liking it and saying it shouldn't be "canon."
There's a lot of elitism in metal. People try to define bands/albums out of it all the time or belittle people who like certain bands/albums. They fill up comment sections on bands that have continued on and changed their sound. Too many metal heads have a hard time letting go.
So when does the site become usable again :/
Also I will shamelessly defend (almost) every Rotting Christ album.
I mean, doesn't seem any more arbitrary than the site normally is.
True, but also too many bands (and not just in metal) have a hard time not trading off their past. At a certain point, whether it's due to lineup changes or changes in sound, more bands should probably just call it quits and start a new project.
Just to tangent here, but thank you. It's a really solid hard rock album that explores a lot of musical ideas in a surprisingly competent and diverse manner. Hell, I'd probably rank it above the Black Album.
Just to tangent here, but thank you. It's a really solid hard rock album that explores a lot of musical ideas in a surprisingly competent and diverse manner. Hell, I'd probably rank it above the Black Album.
Reload is trash, though.
Yeah, I'm with you on those, but I just couldn't get into the rest of Reload.Load IS better than Black Album, it is rather long in the tooth and could lose 2X4, Mama Said, and Ronnie and it would be a perfect album, James at his most experimental and lyricallydiverse. Reload has two top-shelf songs: Fixxxer, Low Man's Lyric, which both should have been on Load, the rest is only okay, but I can still dig it.
Yeah, I'm with you on those, but I just couldn't get into the rest of Reload.
One thing about Mama Said is that I really thought it had a chance of being a beautiful little acoustic break if it didn't have the goddamn excessive country twang to it. I've heard solo renditions of it and they're much better.
This post kinda went places....I don't know how anyone can say the black album is bad. That's just nuts. Maybe it's less metal. That's fine. Maybe you don't like it. Also fine. But it's not bad because it's not metal.
Yep that's the greatest irony is it? Call an album or a band "bad" is considered mean and elitist, but insulting people (and their taste) is totally OK because... reasons. It's mind-blowing.Again, this is a forum dweller/youtube comment section phenomenon and it rarely will show up at festivals or shows. Ironically, I was called an elitist in a Slipknot thread on here for expressing an opinion and the person who did so said I had shit taste in music, by definition, being an actual metal elitist in the process.
Ah... The best joke was that we changed "Greece" (and themes like "Greek mythology") to "South Macedonia", in light of the recent North Macedonia country (formerly FYROM) re-naming. We also renamed North Macedonia to "Macedonia".Also I will shamelessly defend (almost) every Rotting Christ album.
...Really nowI mean, doesn't seem any more arbitrary than the site normally is.
Recently stumbled across this album, "dead as dreams" by a black metal band called Weakling
Hot damn.
100%, the handling of sub-genres and which bands are included has always been arbitrary non-sense.
Weakling were great. Some projects from some of the members worth checking out are The Gault, Dispirit and Asunder.
Dispirit
Asunder
The Gault aren't really metal despite the label that released their album years and years ago, but it is worth giving a listen.
This post kinda went places....
The black album is bad. It's a metal album (watered down metal-lite kinda, but still metal). But it's bad. It has like 1 good song, Wherever I May Roam, and 1 OK song, Unforgiven, with the rest being either forgettable, or outright awful. It's level of metalness (lol) is unrelated to its quality.
I guess you can call me "nuts". Since it seems more acceptable to insult people for having different tastes, than calling an album bad. :)
Yep that's the greatest irony is it? Call an album or a band "bad" is considered mean and elitist, but insulting people (and their taste) is totally OK because... reasons. It's mind-blowing.
100%, the handling of sub-genres and which bands are included has always been arbitrary non-sense.
its ok..The new Devin Townsend is completely fucking bonkers and amazing. One of the best albums he's put out and straight to my AOTY fight right away.
Yes, if you change a word for a non insulting one, it's no longer insulting. Who knew? ;)You could change "nuts" to "wrong" and his message is still the same and no longer insulting you.
So do I. Bitanator commented on bands, then a guy made it personal and attacked him.Some of y'all sound like you want free reign to shit on something and not be called out on it.
I remember that Slipknot thread lol.
I meant how certain sub-genres on the site are handled/regulated. It's probably getting a little too into the weeds for a thread like this, but for example:Not sure I can agree with you there as I find sub-genres are important in metal.
Yes, if you change a word for a non insulting one, it's no longer insulting. Who knew? ;)
I'm not freaking out over calling someone "nuts", mind you, that's really mild. But come on now, this is a really weak argument.
So do I. Bitanator commented on bands, then a guy made it personal and attacked him.
"Free reign to shit on something", I mean... yes? Why not? Define "called out" here. Opinions on music can be disagreed with without resorting to personal attacks and name-calling.
On sort of that note. Its hard for me to listen to Pantera anymore since Phil is such an awful person.It sucks when you're a 28 year old man, and still enjoy your favorite bands from high school, like Cannibal Corpse, yet listening to The Bleeding in your car on your way to Walgreen's, you can't help but feel uncomfortable during tracks like Stripped, Raped, and Strangled; and She Was Asking For It. Something which just seemed so absurd and ridiculous (like a horror movie) to me as a teen is now just the cringiest edge-lord shit.
Nice to know I've grown as a person, I guess.
Don't even get me started on like Anal Cunt or GG Allin.
^ I feel the metal scene could benefit from cleansing a lot of the toxicity within it
I'm so sick of metal 'tough guys' who don't know how to wash their elbows or trim their finger nails properly.
Most metal shows smell worse than a Smash Bros tourney at a Disc Replay
This post kinda went places....
The black album is bad. It's a metal album (watered down metal-lite kinda, but still metal). But it's bad. It has like 1 good song, Wherever I May Roam, and 1 OK song, Unforgiven, with the rest being either forgettable, or outright awful. It's level of metalness (lol) is unrelated to its quality.
I guess you can call me "nuts". Since it seems more acceptable to insult people for having different tastes, than calling an album bad. :)
Yeah that's what drives me up the wall about the internet is the hyperbole. Like people saying Christopher Nolan's The Dark Knight is a terrible movie. Like no sorry you may not like it but clearly it's not a terrible movie. Just say "I'm not a fan" and move on.To me there's a giant difference between "I don't like thing" and "thing is bad." Something like the black album is ridiculously critically and fan lauded alike. It makes top all time album lists from publications far and wide. It's objectively not bad. I personally wouldn't put it that high in Metallica's discography but I can't call it bad. It just feels like one of those edgy things where someone tries to say The Beatles were bad. Like, no, they weren't. It's ok if you don't like them but don't try to prescribe that as a quality to something like that.
And maybe your opinion isn't actively swayed by it being metal or not, lighter or not, but I really don't get how you can deny that's an active issue in the metal community with a lot of bands. Bands get accusations of selling out, not being heavy enough, not sounding like their old days, etc. People cry that bands should change their name or even lament them still existing.
Look this all started with a comment that saying albums should be "non-canon," which to me just touches on that mentality that "oh this stuff isn't metal enough so it's not 'real.'"
Sorry but I don't agree at all. "Objectively not bad" is... not a thing. All tastes are subjective. And something being popular is not remotely an indicator of quality. You will not ever convince me with an argument of popularity.To me there's a giant difference between "I don't like thing" and "thing is bad." Something like the black album is ridiculously critically and fan lauded alike. It makes top all time album lists from publications far and wide. It's objectively not bad. I personally wouldn't put it that high in Metallica's discography but I can't call it bad. It just feels like one of those edgy things where someone tries to say The Beatles were bad. Like, no, they weren't. It's ok if you don't like them but don't try to prescribe that as a quality to something like that.
You take this far too seriously IMO. When I read Andrew's comment I just chuckled because it's obvious what he meant; that he intensely dislikes post-AJFA albums and considers them wildly inferior, so he used hyperbolic rhetoric to say so. That's fine. Even if I didn't agree, I can't imagine someone getting upset over an amusing quip about albums being canon or not. I obviously do agree about those Metallica albums in this case, but not always, take Therion for example. Some might say "everything after Symphony Masses is non-canon!", and though I wildly disagree, I'd just laugh and say "sure" because it's not that serious. They don't like symphonic metal (I do, Theli is my favourite) and only like the death metal era and that's what they mean by such a jab. That's it. Who cares?And maybe your opinion isn't actively swayed by it being metal or not, lighter or not, but I really don't get how you can deny that's an active issue in the metal community with a lot of bands. Bands get accusations of selling out, not being heavy enough, not sounding like their old days, etc. People cry that bands should change their name or even lament them still existing.
Look this all started with a comment that saying albums should be "non-canon," which to me just touches on that mentality that "oh this stuff isn't metal enough so it's not 'real.'"