I think it was SA that was public, but Kotick mentioned "multiple" approvals at the time which we think was referring to UAE but they don't share that info. This is #3Damn, that's two that have approved it so far right? (Saudi and Brazil)
I think it was SA that was public, but Kotick mentioned "multiple" approvals at the time which we think was referring to UAE but they don't share that info. This is #3Damn, that's two that have approved it so far right? (Saudi and Brazil)
I was specifically talking about the conclusion from the EU, which like the Zenimax deal and all other deals will be published in the Official Journal once they're done.EU had no major concerns after Phase 1. CMA might end up on their own island.
It was clear based on the stuff they had for concerns that CMA was going to look like an outlier.
It's likely that Nvidia likely has the most widely used cloud gaming service of all and they are like 1 quarter of the size of Google. it's certainly expensive to be a pioneer in a realm with such high infrastructure requirements, but Stadia failed because they completely failed to understand how who their potential customers where and how they perceive value- not because of how expensive it is to come to market.
I think future successful entries into cloud will come in the form of cloud service providers offering a backend service for distributors and publishers… like ubitus. The expensive approach MS and Amazon are taking isn't the only possible approach
To me, the only real place regulators could and should have some teeth is cloud infrastructure. To me, that is absolutely something only a few companies can actually create and maintain. Those companies hold the keys and can let only the 'competitors' they want onto the highways. This is exactly something regulators should and hopefully will regulate. Concessions in the fair use of that infrastructure makes sense and are things I hope happen. To me, it's what regulators should be regulating.
That doesn't mean they should hinder new and emerging markets for a specific service on the infrastructure. What they should be doing is getting concessions about the fair use of those pipes. That way, anyone who does want to get into this emerging market can get fair treatment so that they can compete. It does make sense to me that FAAMG and a few others are in a particular position to put the thumb on the scales in an anti-competitive way in this regard. It should be scrutinized and regulated.
Anything with forcing companies to give access to their IP to other companies is something else. Anything to do with individual IP being forced to, for instance, go on a competing streaming service, is not something regulators should be wading into imo. That is a pandora's box of bad.
Google said they had no problems to Brazil then months later made the decision to shut down stadia, caught wind of Brazil approving the deal without remedies, and booked a ticket to Brussels ASAP.Microsoft unloaded in those redacted statements they sent them
nope, everything's in here. No new threads
I know what you mean but I think the endgame for streaming isn't people using it while also owning a console, it's people who own no product at all.
Damn, that's two that have approved it so far right? (Saudi and Brazil)
It'll be hard to rule cloud gaming as a distinct market since the evidence and the numbers clearly point to them as not a viable market that could exist organically yet without massive external financial support.
To me, the only real place regulators could and should have some teeth is cloud infrastructure. To me, that is absolutely something only a few companies can actually create and maintain. Those companies hold the keys and can let only the 'competitors' they want onto the highways. This is exactly something regulators should and hopefully will regulate. Concessions in the fair use of that infrastructure makes sense and are things I hope happen. To me, it's what regulators should be regulating.
That doesn't mean they should hinder new and emerging markets for a specific service on the infrastructure. What they should be doing is getting concessions about the fair use of those pipes. That way, anyone who does want to get into this emerging market can get fair treatment so that they can compete. It does make sense to me that FAAMG and a few others are in a particular position to put the thumb on the scales in an anti-competitive way in this regard. It should be scrutinized and regulated.
Anything with forcing companies to give access to their IP to other companies is something else. Anything to do with individual IP being forced to, for instance, go on a competing streaming service, is not something regulators should be wading into imo. That is a pandora's box of bad.
To me, the only real place regulators could and should have some teeth is cloud infrastructure. To me, that is absolutely something only a few companies can actually create and maintain. Those companies hold the keys and can let only the 'competitors' they want onto the highways. This is exactly something regulators should and hopefully will regulate. Concessions in the fair use of that infrastructure makes sense and are things I hope happen. To me, it's what regulators should be regulating.
That doesn't mean they should hinder new and emerging markets for a specific service on the infrastructure. What they should be doing is getting concessions about the fair use of those pipes. That way, anyone who does want to get into this emerging market can get fair treatment so that they can compete. It does make sense to me that FAAMG and a few others are in a particular position to put the thumb on the scales in an anti-competitive way in this regard. It should be scrutinized and regulated.
Anything with forcing companies to give access to their IP to other companies is something else. Anything to do with individual IP being forced to, for instance, go on a competing streaming service, is not something regulators should be wading into imo. That is a pandora's box of bad.
SA, Brazil and who else?
Most likely UAE. Kotick mentioned that "a couple" of countries had given the green light when Saudi Arabia gave the approval
UAE as the OP mentions in the approved v pending review segment
Nvidia's business model is interesting/unique, as it's effectively like a B2C version of Ubitus whilst owning part of the tech chain necessary i.e., their own GPUs at cost. No need to produce their own content or require ports, and they can partner with platforms such as Steam where users already have a library/can purchase games from (with licensing buy-in from studios/publishers).
In terms of users, it's hard to gauge precise numbers across the board. GeForce Now had 20M users as of August 2022, but that includes the free tier and they don't publish paid user numbers. Same with both GPU & PS+, total sub numbers might be published but it's an additive package with a content library.
we can't really tell who has or who hasn't unless they make it known or publish their resolution online, for all we know there could be more than these three.UAE as the OP mentions in the approved v pending review segment
Yea that definitely sounds like a dig to Sony. I sense more comments from Jim Ryan in the futureOh! That's why they updated the site 15 days ago.
I start reading it (good thing that I don't have any meetings tomorrow xD). I'll post some highlights later.
The conclusions in English (number 5 sounds like a dig to Sony :s )
1.- Regarding the horizontal overlaps verified in the markets of game publishing, game distribution, online advertising and licensing for merchandising products, the analysis carried out indicated that the Operation would not be able to promote significant changes in their respective offer structures, in any of the scenarios considered - either because the concentration generated was less than 20%, or because the low variation of the HHI pointed to the inexistence of a causal link between this AC and possible possibility of exercising market power, according to parameters defined in Resolution No. 33, of April 14, 2022, from Cade.
2.- With regard to possible vertical effects , an attempt was made to assess whether, as a result of the Transaction, Microsoft would have the ability or incentives to close any of the vertically related or complementary markets.
3.- As for the possibility of closing the game publishing market (upstream), it was found that, despite Microsoft having control of a relevant portion of the console and digital game distribution markets (downstream), the company would not have incentives to make it difficult for publishers competing with Activision Blizzard to access its platforms, as this would necessarily imply a reduction in quantity and variety of the catalog of games available in the Xbox ecosystem, making the company's products and services less attractive to consumers.
4.- With regard to the possibility of closing downstream markets , the analysis pointed out that, despite their relevance and popularity, Activision Blizzard games – and in particular the Call of Duty series– would not be essential assets to the performance of Microsoft's current and potential competitors in the console and digital game distribution markets (considering, in the latter, both digital stores and multiple game subscription services for PC and consoles). Thus, even if the Activision Blizzard game catalog were to become exclusive to the Microsoft ecosystem after the Transaction, SG/Cade considers that such exclusivity would not result in a substantial reduction in the levels of competition in the downstream markets, even if it could translate into a competitive advantage for Microsoft.
5.- Furthermore, it is important to highlight that the central objective of CADE's activities is the protection of competition as a means of promoting the well-being of Brazilian consumers, and not the defense of the particular interests of specific competitors . After all, one cannot lose sight of the fact that the holder of the legal assets protected by Law No. 12,529/2011 is the collectivity, and not the competitor/economic agent as an individual entity. In this sense, although it is recognized that part of the users of PlayStation consoles (from Sony) could decide to migrate to Xbox in the event that Activision Blizzard games - and especially Call of Duty– become exclusive to the Microsoft ecosystem, SG/Cade does not believe that such a possibility represents, in itself, a risk to competition in the console market as a whole.
6.- Finally, in relation to the existing complementarity between the activities of Microsoft and Activision Blizzard in the game publishing markets - and especially in the mobile games segment - and online advertising, it was found that the shares held by the Parties in these segments, in all scenarios examined, are well below the minimum percentage considered for the purpose of presumption of the possibility of closing the market, as defined in article 8, IV of CADE Resolution No. 33/2022.
It is concluded, therefore, that the possible vertical integrations and complementarities that may be generated or reinforced by the Transaction do not give rise to significant risks to competition, since no elements were identified that allow inferring the closure of any of the vertically related markets.
In view of the foregoing, it is concluded that the present merger is approved without restrictions.
Oh! That's why they updated the site 15 days ago.
I start reading it (good thing that I don't have any meetings tomorrow xD). I'll post some highlights later.
The conclusions in English (number 5 sounds like a dig to Sony :s )
1.- Regarding the horizontal overlaps verified in the markets of game publishing, game distribution, online advertising and licensing for merchandising products, the analysis carried out indicated that the Operation would not be able to promote significant changes in their respective offer structures, in any of the scenarios considered - either because the concentration generated was less than 20%, or because the low variation of the HHI pointed to the inexistence of a causal link between this AC and possible possibility of exercising market power, according to parameters defined in Resolution No. 33, of April 14, 2022, from Cade.
2.- With regard to possible vertical effects , an attempt was made to assess whether, as a result of the Transaction, Microsoft would have the ability or incentives to close any of the vertically related or complementary markets.
3.- As for the possibility of closing the game publishing market (upstream), it was found that, despite Microsoft having control of a relevant portion of the console and digital game distribution markets (downstream), the company would not have incentives to make it difficult for publishers competing with Activision Blizzard to access its platforms, as this would necessarily imply a reduction in quantity and variety of the catalog of games available in the Xbox ecosystem, making the company's products and services less attractive to consumers.
4.- With regard to the possibility of closing downstream markets , the analysis pointed out that, despite their relevance and popularity, Activision Blizzard games – and in particular the Call of Duty series– would not be essential assets to the performance of Microsoft's current and potential competitors in the console and digital game distribution markets (considering, in the latter, both digital stores and multiple game subscription services for PC and consoles). Thus, even if the Activision Blizzard game catalog were to become exclusive to the Microsoft ecosystem after the Transaction, SG/Cade considers that such exclusivity would not result in a substantial reduction in the levels of competition in the downstream markets, even if it could translate into a competitive advantage for Microsoft.
5.- Furthermore, it is important to highlight that the central objective of CADE's activities is the protection of competition as a means of promoting the well-being of Brazilian consumers, and not the defense of the particular interests of specific competitors . After all, one cannot lose sight of the fact that the holder of the legal assets protected by Law No. 12,529/2011 is the collectivity, and not the competitor/economic agent as an individual entity. In this sense, although it is recognized that part of the users of PlayStation consoles (from Sony) could decide to migrate to Xbox in the event that Activision Blizzard games - and especially Call of Duty– become exclusive to the Microsoft ecosystem, SG/Cade does not believe that such a possibility represents, in itself, a risk to competition in the console market as a whole.
6.- Finally, in relation to the existing complementarity between the activities of Microsoft and Activision Blizzard in the game publishing markets - and especially in the mobile games segment - and online advertising, it was found that the shares held by the Parties in these segments, in all scenarios examined, are well below the minimum percentage considered for the purpose of presumption of the possibility of closing the market, as defined in article 8, IV of CADE Resolution No. 33/2022.
It is concluded, therefore, that the possible vertical integrations and complementarities that may be generated or reinforced by the Transaction do not give rise to significant risks to competition, since no elements were identified that allow inferring the closure of any of the vertically related markets.
In view of the foregoing, it is concluded that the present merger is approved without restrictions.
This story gives me a headache!
I'd say parroting a competitor's talking points (complete with flashy emojis on Twitter) and using a niche, developing market (cloud) to block an acquisition based on something that MIGHT happen would constitute irrationality. No other regulatory body has behaved as such.
Brazil gets it.Furthermore, it is important to highlight that the central objective of CADE's activities is the protection of competition as a means of promoting the well-being of Brazilian consumers, and not the defense of the particular interests of specific competitors.
Essentially, The UK and US are the most tenuous. Uk moreso.I guess we will start seeing a lot of countries approving the deal and we need to wait for the key regions: UK, UE and US? 🤔
Is this correct?
Oh! That's why they updated the site 15 days ago.
I start reading it (good thing that I don't have any meetings tomorrow xD). I'll post some highlights later.
The conclusions in English (number 5 sounds like a dig to Sony :s )
1.- Regarding the horizontal overlaps verified in the markets of game publishing, game distribution, online advertising and licensing for merchandising products, the analysis carried out indicated that the Operation would not be able to promote significant changes in their respective offer structures, in any of the scenarios considered - either because the concentration generated was less than 20%, or because the low variation of the HHI pointed to the inexistence of a causal link between this AC and possible possibility of exercising market power, according to parameters defined in Resolution No. 33, of April 14, 2022, from Cade.
2.- With regard to possible vertical effects , an attempt was made to assess whether, as a result of the Transaction, Microsoft would have the ability or incentives to close any of the vertically related or complementary markets.
3.- As for the possibility of closing the game publishing market (upstream), it was found that, despite Microsoft having control of a relevant portion of the console and digital game distribution markets (downstream), the company would not have incentives to make it difficult for publishers competing with Activision Blizzard to access its platforms, as this would necessarily imply a reduction in quantity and variety of the catalog of games available in the Xbox ecosystem, making the company's products and services less attractive to consumers.
4.- With regard to the possibility of closing downstream markets , the analysis pointed out that, despite their relevance and popularity, Activision Blizzard games – and in particular the Call of Duty series– would not be essential assets to the performance of Microsoft's current and potential competitors in the console and digital game distribution markets (considering, in the latter, both digital stores and multiple game subscription services for PC and consoles). Thus, even if the Activision Blizzard game catalog were to become exclusive to the Microsoft ecosystem after the Transaction, SG/Cade considers that such exclusivity would not result in a substantial reduction in the levels of competition in the downstream markets, even if it could translate into a competitive advantage for Microsoft.
5.- Furthermore, it is important to highlight that the central objective of CADE's activities is the protection of competition as a means of promoting the well-being of Brazilian consumers, and not the defense of the particular interests of specific competitors . After all, one cannot lose sight of the fact that the holder of the legal assets protected by Law No. 12,529/2011 is the collectivity, and not the competitor/economic agent as an individual entity. In this sense, although it is recognized that part of the users of PlayStation consoles (from Sony) could decide to migrate to Xbox in the event that Activision Blizzard games - and especially Call of Duty– become exclusive to the Microsoft ecosystem, SG/Cade does not believe that such a possibility represents, in itself, a risk to competition in the console market as a whole.
6.- Finally, in relation to the existing complementarity between the activities of Microsoft and Activision Blizzard in the game publishing markets - and especially in the mobile games segment - and online advertising, it was found that the shares held by the Parties in these segments, in all scenarios examined, are well below the minimum percentage considered for the purpose of presumption of the possibility of closing the market, as defined in article 8, IV of CADE Resolution No. 33/2022.
It is concluded, therefore, that the possible vertical integrations and complementarities that may be generated or reinforced by the Transaction do not give rise to significant risks to competition, since no elements were identified that allow inferring the closure of any of the vertically related markets.
In view of the foregoing, it is concluded that the present merger is approved without restrictions.
I guess we will start seeing a lot of countries approving the deal and we need to wait for the key regions: UK, UE and US? 🤔
Is this correct?
In what sense is Brazil a key market?Since the anti-trust agencies are usually in align with each other, and Brazil is a key market, it's unlikely that Brazil's decision will turn out to be an outlier amongst key markets.
I see, thanks.
Thanks for the information, that make sense.Since the anti-trust agencies are usually in align with each other, and Brazil is a key market, it's unlikely that Brazil's decision will turn out to be an outlier amongst key markets.
5.- Furthermore, it is important to highlight that the central objective of CADE's activities is the protection of competition as a means of promoting the well-being of Brazilian consumers, and not the defense of the particular interests of specific competitors . After all, one cannot lose sight of the fact that the holder of the legal assets protected by Law No. 12,529/2011 is the collectivity, and not the competitor/economic agent as an individual entity. In this sense, although it is recognized that part of the users of PlayStation consoles (from Sony) could decide to migrate to Xbox in the event that Activision Blizzard games - and especially Call of Duty– become exclusive to the Microsoft ecosystem, SG/Cade does not believe that such a possibility represents, in itself, a risk to competition in the console market as a whole.
I'd say parroting a competitor's talking points (complete with flashy emojis on Twitter) and using a niche, developing market (cloud) to block an acquisition based on something that MIGHT happen would constitute irrationality. No other regulatory body has behaved as such.
I'm glad the Brazilian regulators made that point clear.It explicitly states, "The CAT will not engage with the merits of the CMA's decision or conduct a wholesale review of the parties' evidence.".
"parroting a competitor's talking points", the CMA's concerns being aligned with Sony's is related to the merits of the case, it doesn't prove irrational behaviour.
The second part of your comment is directly about the merits of the decision.
The CMA tweet about all their decisions, so it's not anything of note.
This is all true, but 100% of GeoForce now users are using the game streaming service, but only a percentage of GPU users stream games, which is a percentage of overall GP users.
That's why I suspect Nvidia's service is the most widely used.
4.- Thus, even if the Activision Blizzard game catalog were to become exclusive to the Microsoft ecosystem after the Transaction, SG/Cade considers that such exclusivity would not result in a substantial reduction in the levels of competition in the downstream markets, even if it could translate into a competitive advantage for Microsoft.
5.- Furthermore, it is important to highlight that the central objective of CADE's activities is the protection of competition as a means of promoting the well-being of Brazilian consumers, and not the defense of the particular interests of specific competitors . After all, one cannot lose sight of the fact that the holder of the legal assets protected by Law No. 12,529/2011 is the collectivity, and not the competitor/economic agent as an individual entity. In this sense, although it is recognized that part of the users of PlayStation consoles (from Sony) could decide to migrate to Xbox in the event that Activision Blizzard games - and especially Call of Duty– become exclusive to the Microsoft ecosystem, SG/Cade does not believe that such a possibility represents, in itself, a risk to competition in the console market as a whole.
Since the anti-trust agencies are usually in align with each other, and Brazil is a key market, it's unlikely that Brazil's decision will turn out to be an outlier amongst key markets.
YEP, good guy CADE will make me not buy blizzard games anymore because of gamepass <3
Lmao, Brazil is not a key market. No matter how much people try to use smaller markets as some key point here, what matters for this is what US and EU/UK will say.
5.- Furthermore, it is important to highlight that the central objective of CADE's activities is the protection of competition as a means of promoting the well-being of Brazilian consumers, and not the defense of the particular interests of specific competitors . After all, one cannot lose sight of the fact that the holder of the legal assets protected by Law No. 12,529/2011 is the collectivity, and not the competitor/economic agent as an individual entity. In this sense, although it is recognized that part of the users of PlayStation consoles (from Sony) could decide to migrate to Xbox in the event that Activision Blizzard games - and especially Call of Duty– become exclusive to the Microsoft ecosystem, SG/Cade does not believe that such a possibility represents, in itself, a risk to competition in the console market as a whole.
It feels the opposite in the UK"Furthermore, it is important to highlight that the central objective of CADE's activities is the protection of competition as a means of promoting the well-being of Brazilian consumers, and not the defense of the particular interests of specific competitors ."
It's wonderful to have that in writing.
To me, the only real place regulators could and should have some teeth is cloud infrastructure. To me, that is absolutely something only a few companies can actually create and maintain. Those companies hold the keys and can let only the 'competitors' they want onto the highways. This is exactly something regulators should and hopefully will regulate. Concessions in the fair use of that infrastructure makes sense and are things I hope happen. To me, it's what regulators should be regulating.
That doesn't mean they should hinder new and emerging markets for a specific service on the infrastructure. What they should be doing is getting concessions about the fair use of those pipes. That way, anyone who does want to get into this emerging market can get fair treatment so that they can compete. It does make sense to me that FAAMG and a few others are in a particular position to put the thumb on the scales in an anti-competitive way in this regard. It should be scrutinized and regulated.