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The Mueller Report (with redactions by AG Barr) will be released on Thursday according to the Justice Department
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Yeah no duh. It will be up later today.
But the fact that a special counsel team didn't feel the need to even SUGGEST to bring those charges is very telling. They are much more neutral than 99% of Era who would just impeach the guy because they don't like his policies.
Let me be clear, I think Trump is awful and should have been impeached just for his conduct alone. But that won't be impeachable.
Yeah, I don't see the logic either. The best I can come up with:
1) They are true believers and see it as the right thing to do.
2) They realize this is their best shot at power and prestige in DC, and are taking their shot hoping it won't blow up later. Nikki Haley seems to be the only one who has pulled this off so far.
Republicans probably want the house to get itself in a frenzy and start impeachment. This will distract from the actual effects of their policy and the stuff that actually matters to people in the country. GOP has understood that this investigation has drained the air from everything else that is going on, and they probably want to keep it going as long as possible.
90% of these people will leverage their defense of Trump into lobbying positions for a few years and then come back next time a republican wins.
I agree, actually. I think what he did is just put people in a skeptical state of mind when they read the redacted report. He should have just released it. It's literally not his problem, but now it is.
Just wait and then decide. Clinton got impeached over a fucking blowjob so let's not get out over our skis on this again
Everything is "impeachable" because the act is political in nature. What you mean is that Trump has immunity by GOP partisanship which is a wholly different animal
Why? There is absolutely nothing there that isn't possible, if not likely. There are grounds for impeaching both -- sure, it won't be convicted by the Senate, but the House could (and should) be considering doing it.
Edit: The only thing that isn't going to happen is a full release of the report publicly as I'm sure it'd impact ongoing investigations, but there is no reason that it shouldn't be released, non-redacted, to appropriate members of Congress. It's the law.
Barr is taking his orders from one of the most blatantly sociopathic liars on earth.
I understand what will happen and the likely outcome but it still needs to be done. It is common practice because it gives you an opportunity to question the evidence and elicit more information on the record than what is found in the report.
DoJ policy is not to indict a sitting President. Mueller simply compiled the evidence. Barr certainly shouldn't be the one to make this call, considering DoJ policy.
I woke up late...just catching up myself.
Hopefully someone else can help you.
I still have no idea why people are waiting with bated breath for this report as if 1) it's going to change their opinion on his multiple crimes, 2) it's going to change anyone in Washington's mind on his multiple crimes, or 3) it's somehow the one dealbreaker in a presidency with near-daily scandals. Like, yeah that Michael Tracey tweet is wack but we really are not that far from turning the mystical Mueller report into some bombshell conspiracy
There is a thing called accountability. Even if he doesn't go to jail there is still information the American people deserve to have.
Citing Clinton's impeachment ignores the fundamental difference of having a sitting President going through impeachment proceedings -- including daily news coverage, public testimony, etc. -- during a Presidential re-election year.
Comparing Bill Clinton, going into the midterm elections of his second and final term as President, to a President going into his own re-election with himself on the ballot, is foolish.
And the above is just looking at this from the abominable Game of Politics standpoint, where people fancy themselves some combination of pundit + Littlefinger + Bismarck. Rule of law and accountability and the Constitutional fucking order should take precedent over either party's political machinations.
Comparing Bill Clinton, going into the midterm elections of his second and final term as President, to a President going into his own re-election with himself on the ballot, is foolish.
And the above is just looking at this from the abominable Game of Politics standpoint, where people fancy themselves some combination of pundit + Littlefinger + Bismarck. Rule of law and accountability and the Constitutional fucking order should take precedent over either party's political machinations.
A very tenuous distinction since they were given specifically to WL by the hackers to leak them, lol
This might explain why he had to get out in front of this. Frame it. It's like that time I had a C at midterm in Math. Before I showed my report card, I had to go "Olay Mom, before I show you, let me explain"
This is a fair take but liberals all over are acting like this is the make-or-break Watergate moment for Trump. (It's not.)
Full report wont be released because it has grand jury secrets. Mueller will go in front of congress and say he cannot answer because of DOJ policy. Trump's taxes will have shady info in them, but no smoking gun. No prosecutor will go forwards with indictment of a president and having the House start impeachment will backfire.
Playing Every Breath You Take now...is this in the room or just on the stream?
Not me. I simply saw how effective the Ben Gotzi and Buttery Males capers were and I'm trying to give them a taste of their own medicine to help get Dems and some progressives in.
Again. House impeachment hearings will backfire. Pelosi is accurate.
The Republicans would like nothing more than to have the house spend the next two years spinning around on an impeachment plan that they know can't succeed without their support. It will serve as a distraction from policy and enable Trump to further point to how partisan the entire report was.
I have yet to hear someone explain to me what the benefits are of an impeachment process that won't succeed.
Congress is delivered a cd at 11, public will get the report/an even more redacted report later today.
At minimum the full report should be released to the House Judiciary and Intelligence Committees.
The tax returns are part of the larger picture.
If things in the report are as-described by Barr (10 possible instances of obstruction) then we're past the point of waffling over impeachment. It becomes a matter of obligation.
Not really the same thing when the GOP doesn't play by the same both-sides civility rules that the Dems do. If you can't nail Trump with the pussy tape or calling Nazis fine people or any of the other dozens of scandals during this presidency some report that he's been blasting for years as a witch hunt is not gonna accomplish much.
See above paragraph about his dozens of scandals and how none of them actually affect his base. If you voted for him after pussy tape you are almost certainly not flipping from "some witch hunt report."
That's Julian Assange's case thrown out then since this is what they want to extradite him on.
edit: actually that was the Manning documents not the email hack. Don't think it's the same thing.
Really weird, I can browse Twitter with no issues and go onto someone's profile or specific tweet or threads but as soon a I try to go onto Trumps page I get a force shutdown and the app just stops. Every single time. Weird.
Yeah, but that's not what you said. It is likely that the full report will be released to appropriate members of Congress, in full. It is likely that Trump's returns will be released to Congress, in full. It is possible that impeachment against Barr could occur. It is likely that impeachment against Trump will happen. None of that is fantasy land. Now maybe the idea that any of this will work (or at least not backfire) may be, but that's not what your original post was about.
It's a problem that it isn't. Presidents have gotten far worse repercussions for less. There's no accountability for what politicians do, and to say this isn't a make-or-break watergate moment just shows how shitty this state of affairs has become.
I am not saying that these things are meaningless or should not be done. I am saying that they will not lead to actionable information because Trump will be defended by DOJ and the Senate. Keep doing those things in the background, make the hearings private, make the whole thing smaller. If something big is discovered, then come out and announce it. Until then, throw the rest of the democratic party's weight at something more important.
My point is that thinking that any of these things will make a difference is living in fantasy land.
To be honest, the full report getting released likely won't matter to the House. Sounds like no executive privilege was exercised so the WH didn't redact anything.
What will impeachment accomplish? The Senate won't jump on without collusion and it sounds like its clear that it didn't exist. He will get impeached by the House on a party line vote and he can jump up and down and point out how partisan the entire investigation was. Somehow this wins the Democrats the WH and Senate?
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