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The myth that Biden is more 'electable' than Sanders needs to die a fiery death.

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Bonafide

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Oct 11, 2018
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they dont want to hear you OP.

centrists and moderates dont really want shit to change too much, they just want the gears of capitalism to not grind on them too harshly. they dont believe anything is possible outside of what the system allows. for them, the battle for the future is already lost to facists and their goal is just to hold the line and keep the status quo as long as possible.

we're still holding 100% faith in what in the polling shows after 2016, lmao.
 

lmcfigs

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Oct 25, 2017
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After looking at the data, it's really obvious that if Bernie hadn't completely blown his outreach to black voters he could have beaten Clinton. Replace Bernie with Warren and Warren very well might have taken it.
Not to say Bernie didn’t make his share of mistakes. But if getting the black vote was so easy, Joe Biden, who touted his good friendship with white supremacists for all of his professional career, would not be winning the black vote right now in a field of 20 candidates. There’s a lot more going on with voting blocks than “giving a good speech or shaking the right hands”.
 

D i Z

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Oct 25, 2017
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Where X marks the spot.
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they dont want to hear you OP.

centrists and moderates dont really want shit to change too much, they just want the gears of capitalism to not grind on them too harshly. they dont believe anything is possible outside of what the system allows. for them, the battle for the future is already lost to facists and their goal is just to hold the line and keep the status quo as long as possible.

we're still holding 100% faith in what in the polling shows after 2016, lmao.
The fuck is this alt talking about? We've got movement!
 

Lothars

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Oct 25, 2017
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The myth Bernie is electable also needs to die, Biden and Bernie both need to be out.
 

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The "Don't blame us when we're too unmotivated to vote" shit is tired.
Idk, i dont see myself going to the polls if biden is our nominee. More reaching across the isle olive branch bs. We need somebody who will stomp a mudhole in the gop and their policy. Not another corporate spinless stooge who wants to keep it "civil"
 

Lord of Ostia

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Oct 27, 2017
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No shit. I can't tell you how obnoxious it gets listening to Dems bitch about other Dem candidates like they're not going to line up behind them the moment this shit gets going.

I get that typing in large fonts into the deep recesses of the internet probably is cathartic on some level, but come the fuck on. We don't need a new thread every single time someone gets mad about people wanting to support Biden. There are real problems that could come out of these primaries (divided party? Maryanne Williamson?) and the longer we quibble among each other over stupid shit like whether Biden or Bernie are more electable, the longer those abscesses linger and fester. Just ask Ted Cruz or Jeb! or John Kasich how well it worked hoping a charismatic dolt playing to the fringes would go away on it's own.
People SHOULD raise legitimate grievances with candidates if they have them. This is literally why the primary exists.
 

loquaciousJenny

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Oct 25, 2017
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I think it's ridiculous and rigged that we count solid red states in the South in the Democratic primary, those states won't vote for a Democrat anyway, if we counted the high population blue states like California and New York Bernie would have won by a country mile
 

Kirblar

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Oct 25, 2017
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Not to say Bernie didn’t make his share of mistakes. But if getting the black vote was so easy, Joe Biden, who touted his good friendship with white supremacists for all of his professional career, would not be winning the black vote right now in a field of 20 candidates. There’s a lot more going on with voting blocks than “giving a good speech or shaking the right hands”.
Black voters both have a large-c conservative subset that will lean more moderate in general, but are also small-c conservative when it comes to going with "the devil you don't" as a collective demographic. Obama going from losing more than 50% of them in 2015 polling to getting 90% in the 2016 elections showed how the demographic can swing pretty hard- but you need to be able to reach out and not come off like a tone-deaf person who's only been campaigning in rural vermont for the past 5 decades.

I'm not saying it would have been easy, I'm saying that the ingredients for a Clinton loss in the 2016 primaries were there, but Bernie couldn't put the puzzle together.
 

lmcfigs

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Oct 25, 2017
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biden actually went up after that god awful performance, just like i joked he would, smh

EDIT: nvm, i see the dates, he did take a small dip, but seriously, its almost as if the debates meant nothing and might aswell have no even happened
I think if you include numbers from the last debate, Warren might have net benefited. Not sure though
 

BackLogJoe

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Oct 27, 2017
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I want to know how anyone thinks he will get his legislation passed when the Democrats aren't going to support his extreme left agenda.
 

Katamari

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Oct 26, 2017
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Bernie peaked already. It isn’t happening. 2/3 of the people who voted for him last primary now support other candidates.
 

Lord of Ostia

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Oct 27, 2017
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I think it's ridiculous and rigged that we count solid red states in the South in the Democratic primary, those states won't vote for a Democrat anyway, if we counted the high population blue states like California and New York Bernie would have won by a country mile
So you think that the vast majority of the black vote in Democratic primaries shouldn't matter? That seems like a hard thing to defend.
 

Kangi

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Oct 25, 2017
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What is this? Of course there's low information voters, trump is our president.
"Low information voters" exploded in popularity as a dogwhistle following Bernie's SC primary loss in 2016, in which he got buried in the margins among black voters. Hillary's black support was instantly and thoroughly branded with that term, and any uses of it in this context attract (deserved) suspicion as a consequence.
 

antonz

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Oct 25, 2017
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The Myth that Bernie Sanders can win if only everyone would bend over for him is the one that needs to die . SO fucking tired of hearing from Bernie people that they will vote Green party if Bernie doesn't get the nom. If you even gave a sliver of a shit about moving the country to the left you would vote for a pile of dog shit if it won the Democratic Nomination. Just so we don't get 4 more years of trump.

If you are willing to sit out or vote 3rd party because Bernie doesn't win you deserve all the shit that happens when Trump wins again
 

adam387

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Nov 27, 2017
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I think it's ridiculous and rigged that we count solid red states in the South in the Democratic primary, those states won't vote for a Democrat anyway, if we counted the high population blue states like California and New York Bernie would have won by a country mile
This is vile. Do you know who the democratic voters in the red states are? People of color. Black women who are the backbone of our party. To say they shouldn't have a voice is disgusting.

Of course California and New York are worth more delegates, though.Guess who won those both convincingly the last time Bernie was on the ballot? HINT: it wasn't Bernie.
 

Kangi

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Oct 25, 2017
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Wait how are y'all taking Jenny's post seriously literally read the last line in the historical context
 

Betty

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Oct 25, 2017
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Biden hasn't been doing hot in the debates, I'm doubting his longevity big time.
 

Ramala

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Oct 28, 2017
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Every single person who doesn’t want Trump to win has to stop caring about who the nominee is. I’d almost venture stop discussing it anything less than shades of miracles.

You’re voting Democrat. All this talk of this Candidate and that Candidate. That’s cute. Just vote.
 

alr1ght

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Oct 25, 2017
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If you even gave a sliver of a shit about moving the country to the left you would vote for a pile of dog shit if it won the Democratic Nomination. Just so we don't get 4 more years of trump.

If you are willing to sit out or vote 3rd party because Bernie doesn't win you deserve all the shit that happens when Trump wins again
They don't care about any message or movement, they care about the person leading it.
 

Tagyhag

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Oct 27, 2017
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Look I like Sanders more than Biden but there's no way he's more electable than Biden.

And if people end up voting for Trump or no one because Sanders wasn't made the nominee, fuck them.
 

lmcfigs

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Oct 25, 2017
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Black voters both have a large-c conservative subset that will lean more moderate in general, but are also small-c conservative when it comes to going with "the devil you don't" as a collective demographic. Obama going from losing more than 50% of them in 2015 polling to getting 90% in the 2016 elections showed how the demographic can swing pretty hard- but you need to be able to reach out and not come off like a tone-deaf person who's only been campaigning in rural vermont for the past 5 decades.

I'm not saying it would have been easy, I'm saying that the ingredients for a Clinton loss in the 2016 primaries were there, but Bernie couldn't put the puzzle together.
I’m not going to disagree with you. He did a poor job in 2016 because of many of the reasons you posted. I just don’t think we have an Obama candidate to do what you described above and people have way too much faith in thinking Biden won’t be the nominee.
 

captive

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Oct 25, 2017
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"Low information voters" exploded in popularity as a dogwhistle following Bernie's SC primary loss in 2016, in which he got buried in the margins among black voters. Hillary's black support was instantly and thoroughly branded with that term, and any uses of it in this context attract (deserved) suspicion as a consequence.
Weird, I've literally never heard of any of this.
exactly. This. If we didn't have so many uneducated people he wouldn't have sniffed the white house
 

Typhonsentra

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Oct 27, 2017
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Joe Biden the sweetheart of CNN and corporate Democrats
Look, no one here is going to defend Biden, but can anyone who actually follows politics seriously argue that he has the establishment backing? There is a reason Buttigieg outearned him. Moreover, the media backs Biden? How the hell can you justify that? The second he dropped in polling after the first debate it was a feeding frenzy of negative coverage attempting to prop up Harris and her big moment. Harris and Buttigieg are clearly the true establishment picks, Biden is just leading in the polls so they are forced to acknowledge he is the frontrunner. Honestly, can you think of any recent coverage of Biden that wasn't about polling?

Moreover yes head to head polls are imperfect but they are really the only fair measure of where the public position is other than anecdotes, and literally every head to head polls ever conducted has had Biden performing better against Trump than Sanders.
 

Dream Machine

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Oct 25, 2017
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When I saw Biden on stage looking confused, stumbling over his words, slurring his speech, and signing off with a seemingly random string of numbers, the word ELECTABLE was surging through me in a way that I can only describe as tantric
 
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