MVP post right here. U got to crack young voter low turnout problem before relying on them to win.
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The myth that Biden is more 'electable' than Sanders needs to die a fiery death.
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I thought the Jedi were all garbage anyway, isn't that like the point of the prequels and the new trilogy
they dont want to hear you OP.
centrists and moderates dont really want shit to change too much, they just want the gears of capitalism to not grind on them too harshly. they dont believe anything is possible outside of what the system allows. for them, the battle for the future is already lost to facists and their goal is just to hold the line and keep the status quo as long as possible.
we're still holding 100% faith in what in the polling shows after 2016, lmao.
centrists and moderates dont really want shit to change too much, they just want the gears of capitalism to not grind on them too harshly. they dont believe anything is possible outside of what the system allows. for them, the battle for the future is already lost to facists and their goal is just to hold the line and keep the status quo as long as possible.
we're still holding 100% faith in what in the polling shows after 2016, lmao.
Not to say Bernie didn't make his share of mistakes. But if getting the black vote was so easy, Joe Biden, who touted his good friendship with white supremacists for all of his professional career, would not be winning the black vote right now in a field of 20 candidates. There's a lot more going on with voting blocks than "giving a good speech or shaking the right hands".
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The fuck is this alt talking about? We've got movement!
Shit like this is why I'll be celebrating when Bernies loses again.
Um...
biden actually went up after that god awful performance, just like i joked he would, smh
EDIT: nvm, i see the dates, he did take a small dip, but seriously, its almost as if the debates meant nothing and might aswell have no even happened
Idk, i dont see myself going to the polls if biden is our nominee. More reaching across the isle olive branch bs. We need somebody who will stomp a mudhole in the gop and their policy. Not another corporate spinless stooge who wants to keep it "civil"
People SHOULD raise legitimate grievances with candidates if they have them. This is literally why the primary exists.
I think it's ridiculous and rigged that we count solid red states in the South in the Democratic primary, those states won't vote for a Democrat anyway, if we counted the high population blue states like California and New York Bernie would have won by a country mile
What is this? Of course there's low information voters, trump is our president.
Black voters both have a large-c conservative subset that will lean more moderate in general, but are also small-c conservative when it comes to going with "the devil you don't" as a collective demographic. Obama going from losing more than 50% of them in 2015 polling to getting 90% in the 2016 elections showed how the demographic can swing pretty hard- but you need to be able to reach out and not come off like a tone-deaf person who's only been campaigning in rural vermont for the past 5 decades.
I'm not saying it would have been easy, I'm saying that the ingredients for a Clinton loss in the 2016 primaries were there, but Bernie couldn't put the puzzle together.
I think if you include numbers from the last debate, Warren might have net benefited. Not sure though
I want to know how anyone thinks he will get his legislation passed when the Democrats aren't going to support his extreme left agenda.
Definitely not a myth dude.
Sanders is forever tied to socialism and he will lose in an election against Trump in 2020.
Sanders is forever tied to socialism and he will lose in an election against Trump in 2020.
So you think that the vast majority of the black vote in Democratic primaries shouldn't matter? That seems like a hard thing to defend.
"Low information voters" exploded in popularity as a dogwhistle following Bernie's SC primary loss in 2016, in which he got buried in the margins among black voters. Hillary's black support was instantly and thoroughly branded with that term, and any uses of it in this context attract (deserved) suspicion as a consequence.
The Myth that Bernie Sanders can win if only everyone would bend over for him is the one that needs to die . SO fucking tired of hearing from Bernie people that they will vote Green party if Bernie doesn't get the nom. If you even gave a sliver of a shit about moving the country to the left you would vote for a pile of dog shit if it won the Democratic Nomination. Just so we don't get 4 more years of trump.
If you are willing to sit out or vote 3rd party because Bernie doesn't win you deserve all the shit that happens when Trump wins again
If you are willing to sit out or vote 3rd party because Bernie doesn't win you deserve all the shit that happens when Trump wins again
This is vile. Do you know who the democratic voters in the red states are? People of color. Black women who are the backbone of our party. To say they shouldn't have a voice is disgusting.
Of course California and New York are worth more delegates, though.Guess who won those both convincingly the last time Bernie was on the ballot? HINT: it wasn't Bernie.
Yeah I'm not understanding how people aren't catching that Bernie lost California and New York lol
Every single person who doesn't want Trump to win has to stop caring about who the nominee is. I'd almost venture stop discussing it anything less than shades of miracles.
You're voting Democrat. All this talk of this Candidate and that Candidate. That's cute. Just vote.
You're voting Democrat. All this talk of this Candidate and that Candidate. That's cute. Just vote.
They don't care about any message or movement, they care about the person leading it.
All he has to do is keep his powder dry for the general. He doesn't really have to do well in the debates at this stage, given the polls, he just has to ride it out.
I'm not going to disagree with you. He did a poor job in 2016 because of many of the reasons you posted. I just don't think we have an Obama candidate to do what you described above and people have way too much faith in thinking Biden won't be the nominee.
True, that. Elisabeth Warren was foretold by the Simpsons to preside over the budget crunch left by President Trump.
Weird, I've literally never heard of any of this.
exactly. This. If we didn't have so many uneducated people he wouldn't have sniffed the white house
Then you stayed out of the bad parts of the internet during the 2016 primary and for that I envy you. Severely so.
Look, no one here is going to defend Biden, but can anyone who actually follows politics seriously argue that he has the establishment backing? There is a reason Buttigieg outearned him. Moreover, the media backs Biden? How the hell can you justify that? The second he dropped in polling after the first debate it was a feeding frenzy of negative coverage attempting to prop up Harris and her big moment. Harris and Buttigieg are clearly the true establishment picks, Biden is just leading in the polls so they are forced to acknowledge he is the frontrunner. Honestly, can you think of any recent coverage of Biden that wasn't about polling?
Moreover yes head to head polls are imperfect but they are really the only fair measure of where the public position is other than anecdotes, and literally every head to head polls ever conducted has had Biden performing better against Trump than Sanders.
When I saw Biden on stage looking confused, stumbling over his words, slurring his speech, and signing off with a seemingly random string of numbers, the word ELECTABLE was surging through me in a way that I can only describe as tantric
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