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The natural deodorant movement is an annoying and baseless trend. Long live aluminum antiperspirant.

Oct 25, 2017
3,460
USA
#1
First off, you’ll notice all the “Natural” brands are just “deodorant” because there’s no known safe & natural “antiperspirant.” Only aluminum is approved in most world markets, including the USA, as a safe antiperspirant - that actually prevents sweating and odors rather than trying to only mask or neutralize them after sweating occurs. Most antiperspirant brands are also deodorants, but products labeled deodorant are typically NOT antiperspirant and this is especially the case for anything claiming to be Natural.

I notice tons of ads now for “aluminum-Free deodorant” and it’s bullshit basically. I researched it and it’s similar to crap people have against artificial sweeteners and eating non-organic food. Scientists have never linked aluminum antiperspirant use to health detriments.

Good Vice article on the fear-mongering
https://tonic.vice.com/en_us/article/mgyx54/the-final-word-on-whether-antiperspirant-is-safe

Good summary of research
https://www.webmd.com/breast-cancer/features/antiperspirant-facts-safety

Good explanation of why Natural Antiperspirant doesn’t exist
http://nymag.com/strategist/article/natural-antiperspirant-explainer.html

EDIT: there’s stain-Free varieties now so that’s irrelevant
 
Oct 25, 2017
4,815
#4
Haven't used antiperspirant deo in over a decade. Biggest difference I notice is there isn't sweat stains on my lighter shirts if I do sweat at all in them, so...I'm good.
 
Oct 27, 2017
1,090
New York, NY
#8
Full disclosure: I've been part of marketing teams for deodorant companies - I've done about 5-6 years of it, but haven't worked on it in about 3 years.

There isn't a link between aluminum and the fears of cancer or Alzheimers. I've seen and read the external and internal reporting - it's fairly unfounded, but a worthy question to initially study, particularly with women and the proximity to breasts and concern of breast cancer.

Your body sweats all over, so blocking those ducts with an antiperspirant usually sends the sweat somewhere else- feet (prominently), hands or head. So your body just gets rid of it another way.

And if you're looking for antipersperants that don't ruin your shirts, there's a new generation of sprays and sticks that are more like the invisible solids of the 80s, except they don't suck as bad. I won't mention brand names, you can find them if you want.
 
Oct 27, 2017
1,225
#11
Anti-naturally occurring bodily function is almost never a good thing in my book. Deodorant works just fine unless you're a really smelly fuck in which case you should examine your health on a more fundamental level.
 
Oct 27, 2017
3,260
#14
I moved from antiperspirants to just deodorants because they were staining my shirts. But that doesn’t happen any more. And I don’t miss the antiperspirant qualities. Even living in a much hotter and far more humid area.
 
Oct 27, 2017
8,857
#18
If you block sweat in your pits it's just going to come out somewhere else. I've literally never used an antipersperant in my life, just regular deodorant. Have never had anyone tell me I'm stinky and haven't had any problems dating/relatively wise, so, shrugs.
 
Oct 25, 2017
1,570
#20
I don't get the point of antiperspirants. Not only do they cause cancer, sweating is a way for your body to cool down and get rid of "toxins" (sorry I know that word has been ruined by quacks, but it's true). If it doesn't smell or ruin your clothes, then what's the problem with regular deodorant?
 
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Oct 27, 2017
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#27
I found that antiperspirant actually makes me sweat more. I moved to deodorant only and it works great. I was using that arm & hammer one posted above until I learned they were using triclosan. It appears they have stopped that, but I found something that works so not looking back now.
 
Oct 25, 2017
1,307
#28
Fuck antiperspirant.

I used that shit for 12 years. And for 12 years I never stopped sweating and I ended ruining almost all of my shirts because antiperspirant caused me to sweat even harder and stained the pits of all my shirts with the antiperspirant itself. I switched to deodorant 3 years ago and I never looked back. I havent ruined a shirt since then
 
Oct 28, 2017
3,547
JP
#29
Aluminium based antiperspirant is the norm in Mexico and I've never heard of anyone getting armpit cancer, lol. Or cancer related to the use of such products.

Myself? I live in Japan and I have to wear a suit despite the nightmarish summer, so I'll opt for cancer, thank you very much.
 
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Oct 25, 2017
3,460
USA
#30
Some of y’all are really missing my point. I’m not saying you can’t like your whatever deodorant. I’m saying you are a QUACK if you promote anti-science rhetoric about antiperspirant. Science finds them safe so gtfo with claims that they’re unnatural and thus bad for you.
 
Oct 31, 2017
2,083
#31
I don't get the point of antiperspirants. Not only do they cause cancer, sweating is a way for your body to cool down and get rid of "toxins" (sorry I know that word has been ruined by quacks, but it's true). If it doesn't smell or ruin your clothes, then what's the problem with regular deodorant?
Respectfully, the bolded hasn't been studied enough to make the claim (at least by my quick googling), so please, don't state it as fact.
 

shira

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Oct 25, 2017
9,979
#32
First off, you’ll notice all the “Natural” brands are just “deodorant” because there’s no known safe & natural “antiperspirant.” Only aluminum is approved in most world markets, including the USA, as a safe antiperspirant - that actually prevents sweating and odors rather than trying to only mask or neutralize them after sweating occurs. Most antiperspirant brands are also deodorants, but products labeled deodorant are typically NOT antiperspirant and this is especially the case for anything claiming to be Natural.

I notice tons of ads now for “aluminum-Free deodorant” and it’s bullshit basically. I researched it and it’s similar to crap people have against artificial sweeteners and eating non-organic food. Scientists have never linked aluminum antiperspirant use to health detriments.

Good Vice article on the fear-mongering
https://tonic.vice.com/en_us/article/mgyx54/the-final-word-on-whether-antiperspirant-is-safe

Good summary of research
https://www.webmd.com/breast-cancer/features/antiperspirant-facts-safety

Good explanation of why Natural Antiperspirant doesn’t exist
http://nymag.com/strategist/article/natural-antiperspirant-explainer.html

EDIT: there’s stain-Free varieties now so that’s irrelevant
I don't think anybody cares about BO anymore.
It's just there all the time
So pitstains are like even less of a problem.
I guess if you work in a place where you are cooped up in groups in rooms without aircondiioning
 
Oct 25, 2017
1,550
#33
Antiperspirants irritate my armpits and they get red and itchy. I use Dove's scentless deodorant and it does a good job of keeping me from stinking when it's hot out

Baseless trend? Sure. Annoying? Why? I'm annoyed as someone who uses deodorant and not antiperspirant that almost everything is an antiperspirant. My local grocery store has a shelf tag that says Dove Deo Free & Clear but it's actually the antiperspirant version because they don't stock the deodorant anymore. In a sea of products there are very few that aren't aluminum based antiperspirants and there are very few natural products at the stores I go to. In what way is that annoying to someone who wants an antiperspirant?
 
Oct 27, 2017
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#34
Anyone getting stains here, your shirts are easily salvageable. Simplest way of putting it? Boil your shirts in OxiClean for a half-hour. Or at least let the water boil, turn off, then throw in the shirts and let sit for a few hours.

Works every time. Yeah, I get looks when it looks like I'm cooking my shirts on my stovetop lol but I'm walking around with fresh-ass shirts!
 
#36
This is like the exact counter to that thread from a couple weeks back
Do you have a link?
I don't get the point of antiperspirants. Not only do they cause cancer, sweating is a way for your body to cool down and get rid of "toxins" (sorry I know that word has been ruined by quacks, but it's true). If it doesn't smell or ruin your clothes, then what's the problem with regular deodorant?
Do you have a citation on the causes cancer thing?

I stopped thinking about it after finding the dove stick (seems to be antiperspirant) generally keeps me smell free without stains. I still sweat obviously, nothing can stop that train rolling in, but thankfully now I don't need to care
 
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Oct 25, 2017
3,460
USA
#39
Antiperspirants irritate my armpits and they get red and itchy. I use Dove's scentless deodorant and it does a good job of keeping me from stinking when it's hot out

Baseless trend? Sure. Annoying? Why? I'm annoyed as someone who uses deodorant and not antiperspirant that almost everything is an antiperspirant. My local grocery store has a shelf tag that says Dove Deo Free & Clear but it's actually the antiperspirant version because they don't stock the deodorant anymore. In a sea of products there are very few that aren't aluminum based antiperspirants and there are very few natural products at the stores I go to. In what way is that annoying to someone who wants an antiperspirant?
You’re dodging what I actually posted about, which is the rhetoric of “natural” deodorant brands. I already said in this thread I don’t care if you just happen to like your deodorant. I care about the implication that there’s a public health concern surrounding antiperspirant.
 
Oct 25, 2017
1,550
#43
You’re dodging what I actually posted about, which is the rhetoric of “natural” deodorant brands. I already said in this thread I don’t care if you just happen to like your deodorant. I care about the implication that there’s a public health concern surrounding antiperspirant.
My point is the concern about the concern is overblown when nearly every product on the shelves is still an antiperspirant.
 
Oct 26, 2017
1,793
#46
Fuck antiperspirant.

I used that shit for 12 years. And for 12 years I never stopped sweating and I ended ruining almost all of my shirts because antiperspirant caused me to sweat even harder and stained the pits of all my shirts with the antiperspirant itself. I switched to deodorant 3 years ago and I never looked back. I havent ruined a shirt since then
This is really making me think of making the switch. I've been using the stuff for years.
 
Oct 25, 2017
1,106
#48
If stains are a concern, one should prolly give "clinical" antiperspirants a try

its the kind where youre supposed to apply them after showering, slightly before going to bed at night. They'll get absorbed during that period and will indeed prevent your armpits from sweating for a coupla days.

If you try to use them like regular deodorants, they'll stain the fuck outta your shirts tho.

(this method also works really well with regular antiperspirants)
 
Oct 31, 2017
2,083
#50
You're right. I read about this 10 or so years ago, and the science behind it now seems more conclusive that it doesn't cause cancer.
Well, somewhat.

https://www.cancer.gov/about-cancer/causes-prevention/risk/myths/antiperspirants-fact-sheet

Because studies of antiperspirants and deodorants and breast cancer have provided conflicting results, additional research would be needed to determine whether a relationship exists.
Seems to me that it's one of those 'use it if you want to, but not if you don't want to' things.