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The NBA 2k20 My Team trailer may as well have been made by a casino [UPDATE: PEGI Responds, see threadmark]
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At this rate why don't they just go free 2 play. Do they really need that extra $60 when they make so much bank from MTX?
I feel like Take2, EA and everyone else would get less flack if the go f2p.
I feel like Take2, EA and everyone else would get less flack if the go f2p.
This is a carnival of stupid. Old man yelling at cloud here but when we were young we actually played sports games for the sport and competition.
I have never understood these card packs in sports games. You open packs to get players, and then make a custom team to play online right? Is that all there is to it? I get the appeal of using a custom team online but I'm not quite sure how it's fueling it's own mini-industry. Are the players really that drastically different? Does Lebron have a Dragon uppercut or something?
Character stats. Some players have better stamina and accuracy, thus allowing for the random number generators to crunch more in your favor to ensue that you miss less shots, block more shots, and have characters fatigue slower.
Things that people used to be able to do just my messing with team rosters.
The industry will never regulate itself; its time for the government to step in. You would figure after all the blowback they would at least be contrite, but nope, we gotta triple down on the gambling!
It always feels like desperation, ironically, is what drives these companies to make the mistakes so grevious as to inspire change and hatred in their worst traditions, while just going on as normal wouldn't have rocked the boat for several more years.
Gotta appreciate corporate greed making it easy for us once in a while!
This is the most pathetic thing I've ever seen in my life. They literally made a trailer of pack openings and a slot machine.
Yeah, they are pretty much dropping all the pretenses here going forward. What's weird is that even if one argued that this is simulated gambling, wouldn't it be rated T or PEGI 12 instead of E/3?
Oh wow, I remember singing along to this commercial as a kid.
Oh wow, I remember singing along to this commercial as a kid.
I know they make money off of it and also potentially have stuff in contracts that may prevent them from doing so, but we need to get the actual NBA stars to speak out on this stuff and condemn what is going on with these mechanics (or at the very least support awareness)...
And we're only going to see more of this stuff in games. Until someone somewhere in a big enough market makes massive push back, the big gaming companies are just going to get worse. Corporations can basically do anything they want anywhere right now and almost every politician that has the power to do something is more interested in deregulating everything under the sun for short term gain already, and they sure as hell couldnt be bothered to care about video games...(except to use them as a scapegoat when the next wildly publicized shooting happens and forget a week later)
And we're only going to see more of this stuff in games. Until someone somewhere in a big enough market makes massive push back, the big gaming companies are just going to get worse. Corporations can basically do anything they want anywhere right now and almost every politician that has the power to do something is more interested in deregulating everything under the sun for short term gain already, and they sure as hell couldnt be bothered to care about video games...(except to use them as a scapegoat when the next wildly publicized shooting happens and forget a week later)
As someone who follows the NBA obsessively, this will never happen...
Why would they do that though when people continue to buy them in millions every year. Sports games should be the perfect candidate for GAAS that you buy once and then they evolve over multiple years with roster updates. But they wont do it because millions of suckers buy them annually and reset their progress willingly. This is the perfect example of fucking your cake and eating it too.
Maybe they looked at the one from last year.
This year there were actually two trailers. One from 2K Games that had anout 3.3k likes and around 370 dislikes while the one from 2K United Kingdom had about 70 likes and a few hundred dislikes. It seems like the non-UK one was unlisted sometimes after. I think it is this one with about 3.5k vs 12k
every single year 2K be doing this shit, it'd be hilarious if it wasn't so sad and repulsive. I don't want to catch another ban, that will be overturned because of how disgusting 2K actually is, so I'm just going to quote my old post from last year to describe how I really feel about it. Bought the game every year from like 2006 to 2017 but stopped right after they decided their goal in life was to become a virtual basketball casino/storefront.
Worst part is I'm voting with my wallet like people say, I'm not buying these games, but it doesn't even matter because they keep getting worse and more manipulative ever year to cover lost sales revenue. I'd really like to play a basketball game but I literally can't give a company this disgusting my money.
I love how this trailer is only scratching the surface of 2K's entire microtransaction scheme and is already disgusting, it's just myteam which is honestly a disgusting mode but it's almost quaint compared to how manipulative some of their other modes, like MyPlayer, are. I've been complaining about this for so long and it's frustrating since there's 0% chance they'll change without government or regulatory intervention. At this point I'm sure they're selling way less copies than they used to but since they're selling a virtual casino for whales they're coming out ahead.
I mean this was in last year's game:
They got away with that with 0 repercussions and they will get away with this shit with 0 repercussions outside of one youtube video with a bad ratio and some pundit commentary from sterling, angry joe, yong yea and the like.
Worst part is I'm voting with my wallet like people say, I'm not buying these games, but it doesn't even matter because they keep getting worse and more manipulative ever year to cover lost sales revenue. I'd really like to play a basketball game but I literally can't give a company this disgusting my money.
I love how this trailer is only scratching the surface of 2K's entire microtransaction scheme and is already disgusting, it's just myteam which is honestly a disgusting mode but it's almost quaint compared to how manipulative some of their other modes, like MyPlayer, are. I've been complaining about this for so long and it's frustrating since there's 0% chance they'll change without government or regulatory intervention. At this point I'm sure they're selling way less copies than they used to but since they're selling a virtual casino for whales they're coming out ahead.
I mean this was in last year's game:
They got away with that with 0 repercussions and they will get away with this shit with 0 repercussions outside of one youtube video with a bad ratio and some pundit commentary from sterling, angry joe, yong yea and the like.
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Yep, the video was made Private. An admission of guilt if I ever saw one. PEGI is probably launching an investigation and 2K is in panic mode trying to erase evidence.
The one uploaded by 2K Games is still available although unlisted.
PEGI Response
Yeah, looks like the gambling discriptor is reserved for depicting IRL gambling in games, which explains why it's extremely rare and hasn't been associated with lootboxes previously.
2K is pushing this shit to the goddamn limit and I hope it bites them in the ass. I hope NBA Live is good this year, even though EA would do the same thing if they were in 2Ks position at least we're a few years off from that.
The "gaming industry" should be having way more eyes over sports and mobile games bullshit. I feel that they can get away with anything since they are "lesser games"
Yes they should.
The trailer dropped on the 26th but no YouTuber or website was really covering it until after I made this thread which I found interesting... the only people covering it before then were people that are regulars of nba2k scene.
Except for Forbes ofc which was "impressed" with most additions.
I knew ESRB was corrupt as hell but this is a real next level what are you gonna do about it move from them.
This should be the straw that breaks the camel's back and creates an empowered and independent global game ratings board that has the capabilities to fine publishers and have games pulled from (digital) stores if they misrepresent their games to the board.
Yes. It's even worse on mobile. For example Clash Royale has a pass that basically sells you nothing other than the ability to unlock more stuff as you play during a month. If for x reason you can't play, bad luck. In other words, it sells you a reason to keep playing. This on top of every other thing you can actually buy
One video is Private but the other one is now Unlisted.
I can't even believe this crap ... 2K19 was pushing it subtly. But now, they are straight-up putting casino mechanics.
I can't even believe this crap ... 2K19 was pushing it subtly. But now, they are straight-up putting casino mechanics.
This is not a mobile-specific practice at all (see Battle Passes everywhere since Fortnite became so popular) and way less predatory than gambling-type features such as the ones in NBA 2K discussed here.
Please ask them how the Virtual Console releases of Pokémon Red, Blue, and Yellow on 3DS got a PEGI 12 rating for simulated gambling, and how the gambling is those games differ from NBA 2K20.
https://pegi.info/search-pegi?q=pokemon&filter-age[]=12&filter-descriptor[]=Gambling&filter-publisher=&filter-platform[]=Nintendo+DS&filter-release-year[]=&page=1&op=Search&form_build_id=form-4sAK_AsGh7GAnz_cII5GG1lrczU8tXJ49Sm7nXkxEns&form_id=pegi_search_form
Wow what an insanely tone deaf response from pegi "we can't rate it till it's done" is what I'm getting from it.
Yes, it's less predatory indeed. I'm pointing out how companies are basically selling you nothing other than a way of keeping you playing the game, when the systems of the game should already do that. It's like "we don't know how to keep players engaged, what if we sell them something so they incentivize themselves?"
What the actual fuck? How much money did 2k paid them? That response is just unbelievable, fuck them!
EDIT: 1st post and title should be updated with PEGI's response. This needs to get traction or something.
Man, I'm not a sports gamer but this shit has got to stop.
And your ratings board needs to be put on full blast for accommodating this. "We can't give a rating until it's out." Fucking bullshit.
Make these guys feel uncomfortable, protest on social media, outside their actual offices, whatever. This has got to be highlighted and it's got to stop as it's creating a generation of addicts.
And your ratings board needs to be put on full blast for accommodating this. "We can't give a rating until it's out." Fucking bullshit.
Make these guys feel uncomfortable, protest on social media, outside their actual offices, whatever. This has got to be highlighted and it's got to stop as it's creating a generation of addicts.