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The 'OK' hand signal - no longer acceptable?
- Thread starter PoppaBK
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Yeah, letting nazis appropriate symbols, images and gestures is absolutely the best solution.
Nah, actually, no. Letting them take it helps make their movement stronger. Fuck that.
Nah, actually, no. Letting them take it helps make their movement stronger. Fuck that.
OH MY GOD.
I saw this image earlier but didn't even notice his hand.
This entire premise is idiotic. They walk, talk, eat, drink, go to movies etc. You must not let them co opt anything and everything. If anyone is hijacking, it should be the left taking their stuff and making it non-threatening. Get out of the mentality of getting victimized all the time.
How so? Go to someone who doesn't have their head into politics and ask them what the 'Ok' symbol means.
I wouldn't say its beyond tainted but its definitely being co-opted by white supremacists.
that hand sign means you are ok, its a meme do to the kid "made you look" game and is used by players in the NBA to celebrate hitting 3's.
the hand signs has different meanings depending on the context and I aint gonna let some scumbags just start taking everything fuck that.
the hand signs has different meanings depending on the context and I aint gonna let some scumbags just start taking everything fuck that.
Which is major problem and this event will make that all the worse.
The biggest nazi symbol of all is a symbol that has been appropriated. Most people in the West don't even see it as anything but a swastika.
This is exactly what fascists do.
Unless you ever happen to visit Iran.....don't do that there.Go with a thumbs up instead.
Yeah, and you don't think that kinda shit gives them more power? Likewise, do you believe buddhists should simply relinquish use of their symbol?
I imagine most Buddhists don't care. Trying to hang on to symbols against the tide of culture is exceedingly difficult and not really a productive endeavor.
This is not actually a useful fight, and it is also impractical to fight.
Useful fight: Activism for hate speech laws/regulation of social media/internet to curb hate speech
Not so useful: Preserving the sanctity of the "ok" gesture
The discussion on this seems to begin and end with pondering why we don't use swastikas anymore. It used to have a different meaning... now it doesn't. Just as language changes so does symbology.
If you want to keep using it, nobody is going to stop you. You may be silently judged or harassed by someone who mistakes your 'ok' for 'white power' and that'll be something you have to deal with as this is co-opted more and more into the alt-right white supremacy movement.
If you want to keep using it, nobody is going to stop you. You may be silently judged or harassed by someone who mistakes your 'ok' for 'white power' and that'll be something you have to deal with as this is co-opted more and more into the alt-right white supremacy movement.
It's not about "relinquishing" use, it's about acknowledging that they've given it another meaning that they use. They aren't going to need your permission to use something as a symbol, not when they are already using "ok" that way anyways. They like that it has another meaning because they could throw it up in a public setting and have people ignore it, have people insist that it only has other benign meanings, or if they get called out on it, they just could play dumb.
It's probably not useful to try to decipher the intention behind every single person ever using the sign, but it's way less helpful, maybe even harmful, to try to act like it doesn't already have another meaning for these people, that it can only mean benign things, and to do exactly what they hope most people do by ignoring it or treating it like a joke/meme and nothing more.
This isn't necessarily about buddhists caring or not, the point is that it was taken from them and assigned new meaning. The problem I have with this is that an outside force tarnishes a culture and Just letting them do that without a fight is a victory in their book.
First of all, these are not mutually exclusive.
Second, it's not simply about preserving the sanctity or whatever. It's the fact that letting them take symbols and images gives them power. Symbols can create a feeling of unity, give them a feeling of place and safety, and that's the last thing these shitheads deserve. I'm not saying we should pick one fight. Ideally, we should fight them on all fronts.
I'm not saying we should ignore it. I'm saying I'm not comfortable with the idea of letting them take this for reasons I've described above.
But what does them "taking" it even mean in this context? What does "fighting" them on this idea even look like?
Hahaha, and don't thumb up to replace it or everybody will end the dive.
There's a british punk band Idles who want to get the ok symbol to be positive again. They released o really goid album last year "joy as an act of resistance" in Which they want to spread positivity among people.
Good band with positive and critical views
Here's the video clip with the ok-symbol
https://youtu.be/QkF_G-RF66M
Sorry, for some reason can't embed video
Good band with positive and critical views
Here's the video clip with the ok-symbol
https://youtu.be/QkF_G-RF66M
Sorry, for some reason can't embed video
As a white guy, I'm not using it until this shit passes. I don't want anyone even having to guess what my intentions are.
Fucking white supremacist assholes.
Fucking white supremacist assholes.
Telling people to stop using such a ubiquitous symbol cause white supremacists use it is just ridiculous. You are actively giving them power, saying anything they start doing now belongs to them in all cases. If you seriously think the average person should stop using it and assume any instance you see must be from a white supremacist, they would just switch to some other common symbol like a thumbs up or peace sign (which funny enough also changes meaning dramatically depending where you are yet people don't insist it stop being used). The whole point is to overtake common symbols.
They're using an inverted OK symbol, below the waist, in every instance I've seen. So long as you're not doing that and instead doing it like Eddie Murphy, I think you're good. Just don't invert it and do it below the waist.
Because symbols become tainted. How many Chaplin mustaches do you see?
Because Nazi's use it to obfuscate their intentions. A normal person using it just makes it more easy for them to hide in plan sight. It becomes one of many symbols that allow them to connect without being obvious to another person.
Meanwhile, when a normal person uses it, others have to decipher if that person means ok or if it is a signal of bad intent.
As the clarity of the symbol becomes harder to decern, normal people will use it less and less because they don't want to be bothered with dealing with that kind of ambiguity.
Yep. They picked something like this to blend in, not to take it away from people that aren't racist.