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The 'OK' hand signal - no longer acceptable?
- Thread starter PoppaBK
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Nazis hasn't coopted the ok sign at all. Only place I've even heard people saying this stupid shit is on here. If I tried to tell someone irl that they couldn't use the ok sign I'd be laughed out of the house.
Fuck that. Don't let the actions of the few dictate the actions of many. Like others have said, context is key.
Beat me to it.
Mm nope, they can't have it
Beat me to it.
It's been used "ironically" by the proud boys and the like enough times that it pretty much has become a white power symbol, even if it started out as a joke or a "lol liberals" thing.
They will continue to insist that it's the "OK" symbol and anyone that thinks otherwise is a snowflake or whatever.
If you use it as a gesture in the same context you'd give a thumbs up, high five, or brofist, or whatever, no one should accost you for it. If it's a group photo, maybe think it over.
They will continue to insist that it's the "OK" symbol and anyone that thinks otherwise is a snowflake or whatever.
If you use it as a gesture in the same context you'd give a thumbs up, high five, or brofist, or whatever, no one should accost you for it. If it's a group photo, maybe think it over.
Kids using it this way is fine, no need to read them not to imo.
As an adult who is aware of its meaning relaring to white supremacy, I will personally avoid using it. Even if there's a tiny chance of it being perceived as a dog whistle by other supremacists looking for solidarity, I want to avoid that.
As an adult who is aware of its meaning relaring to white supremacy, I will personally avoid using it. Even if there's a tiny chance of it being perceived as a dog whistle by other supremacists looking for solidarity, I want to avoid that.
Person uses it in a discussion around race, Trump, minorities, etc. Especially on sites like Braitbart , Stormfront, NeoGAF, Etc. - NOT OK
Imbecile fuck uses it in a class photo in which everyone is doing the Nazi salute encouraged by the photographer - NOT OK.
In order to classify your salad - OK
Imbecile fuck uses it in a class photo in which everyone is doing the Nazi salute encouraged by the photographer - NOT OK.
In order to classify your salad - OK
This is pepe all over again. It's only bad if you let them take ownership of it.
Don't. Just keep using it like you normally would.
Don't. Just keep using it like you normally would.
I mean what contexts are you imagining seeing it in that would confirm it for you? All those Nazi meet ups you go to? If you're not hanging around with Nazis, then it probably tracks that you wouldn't necessarily know what symbolism and coded language they use together, but that doesn't make it something they're not doing. Not everybody has heard about the 14 words or 88, but they're Nazi symbols even if most people in the mainstream don't know that.
The OK sign obviously isn't exclusively used in that context, but it's definitely something Nazis are using to give each other a sly little wink in public now that some of their other coded shit is better known.
If you and your Nazi friends all get together and do a thing while being Nazis together, at what point is it no longer trolling to own the libs and is actually just a thing that Nazis tend to do in large groups?
They haven't.
They use it, to be sure, but when you see someone give you the OK hand sign... consider why they're doing it. Did you just ask them a question and the person you're asking cannot respond verbally but instead has used a hand signal to express that they agree? NOT A NAZI
There is a very interesting article/documentary about this game, because no one knows its origin and it's known worldwide even before the internet.
I think they can only really coopt things that are fairly exclusive to begin with. The Nazis could coopt the swastika in Europe and America because they weren't mainstream there, so it was the territory of people with interest in foreign religions and the occult and such. They couldn't coopt it in the east because it was too widespread.
Similarly, Neo-Nazis can coopt 4chan memes because that's already a subculture they're a part of they just drag it out of the Internet, and especially ones that most of 4chan has started getting bored of and so have gotten a bit moldy, but they can't coopt something like the okay symbol which is far too ubiquitous and was never associated with any particular subculture.
Similarly, Neo-Nazis can coopt 4chan memes because that's already a subculture they're a part of they just drag it out of the Internet, and especially ones that most of 4chan has started getting bored of and so have gotten a bit moldy, but they can't coopt something like the okay symbol which is far too ubiquitous and was never associated with any particular subculture.
When I saw that kid in the Nazi picture doing it yesterday I assumed he was just doing the "stare at the circle and get punched" game that was popular 15 years ago :x
Yes they have. You'd have to be wilfully ignoring all the evidence at this point to suggest otherwise.
This doesn't mean you can't use it.
They obviously have. You're arguing for the sake of it.
Co-opt means "adopt for own purpose" in this context, btw.
What? I just showed that in any normal context if someone gives you the OK hand signal... (us calling it the "OK hand signal" is another indication) you wouldn't assume they're a nazi.
How is that "co-opting" anything?
Thanks for an example as to why co-opting a symbol works beautifully as a dog whistle.
As above. Co-opt means "adopt for own purpose", maybe you were confused on its meaning?
I assumed that they meant "supplanted" rather than the dictionary definition of "co-opted" given the question of the OP.
Nazi's use the OK hand signal, but nobody is confused when they see the OK hand signal.
No, they meant co-opted... or they would have said supplanted... not sure why you assumed that.
Nobody? Have you seen a single thread on the subject on this forum? Unless you mean "confused."
Because the thread is asking if it's still okay to use the OK hand signal.
And you I misused the word co-opt. You clearly didn't understand it's meaning before or you li wouldn't have weitten "they didn't co-opt anything". Lol.
Well the person they were responding to when you corrected seems to think that Nazis aren't actually using the symbol and people on this board are just paranoid so the correct definition of co-opt really applies here.
You know what, hold the fuck up. I looked up the actual dictionary definition of "co-opt" which is:
As you can see, one of them is "take over" so take your pedantic bullshit and kindly stop assuming that I'm arguing in bad faith.
Also, some small number of people on this board are VERY CLEARLY paranoid.
There's no other meaning for the term co-opt though, so no asuption would lead you to say "they didn't co-opt" unless you misunderstood it.
And no to the above, co-opt in this context means adopt for own use.
There are other meanings actually.
As the post above you clearly shows.
Sorry again.
Not in this context. And you've clearly been scrambling to understand it.
But ok.
Don't let racist assholes steal shit and change it's meaning. Use it like you always have. If a synagogue in New York didn't remove the swastikas all over their stained glass, you can keep doing the OK symbol.....actually they might've since removed it, not sure. But it was there for 80+ years.
*gasp*
Like, I don't know what else to tell you, you were wrong about the definition of co-opt.
You were wrong. I don't know why you've been so hot to make it seem like you weren't.
Fuck no. I will NOT stop using a 100 year old sign because of alt right idiots.Go with a thumbs up instead.
