Reminder, Obsidian added achievements to the steam version just an hour before this was announced, so I doubt they knew.
I don't want this to come off as sounding like an ass but I'm pretty sure gabe has more information than this example.
You don't think Gabe has more info on this based on years of research?
wut?
it's not comparable, like at all
steam doesn't moneyhat games from other launchers
Wait, what games have valve moneyhatted for exclusitivity deals?
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Valve buying exclusives? I don't think so.
We all know that Epic is. (sure they'll have humble bundle keys eventually......)
Steam does it way less to be sure. I guess I'm referencing Halo but even that will be on the MS store. So please don't take my shot at Steam as too serious. Mainly aimed at Epic, square on the nose.How the hell is Steam to blame for this??? Steam never locked any developer onto their store. If the developer or publisher decides to sell on the Steam store only, it's on them...not cuz Valve told them to.
I didn't know that eroding monopoly control of the enthusiast PC games space was a "fuck the consumers" move. Long term I want more players in the space as it benefits everyone, consumers and developers alike. That Epic is giving visibility and some funding to developers along the way in exchange for timed exclusivity doesn't bother me as a consumer. I'll go where the content is.
Rami Ismail: "sucks to be you".It is when everything you do is against the consumers.
My choice of controller? Gone.
My choice to share my library with my wife? Gone.
Choice to play it on Linux? Gone.
Choice to play it as a Chinese? Gone.
Choice to easily play it on my TV without duplicating my screen or doing something else? Gone.
Choice to stream it to an android device and play it in my bathtub? Gone.
Choice to buy it on authorized 3rd party websites that compete with each other to get a good price? Gone.
Good thing steam isn't a monopoly.I didn't know that eroding monopoly control of the enthusiast PC games space was a "fuck the consumers" move. Long term I want more players in the space as it benefits everyone, consumers and developers alike. That Epic is giving visibility and some funding to developers along the way in exchange for timed exclusivity doesn't bother me as a consumer. I'll go where the content is.
It's never been nor will it ever be, it's always gonna be copyright infringement.
Glad to see more competition in the PC platform space. Also happy to see developers getting what I assume to be good minimum sales deals for the exclusivity window.
I didn't know that eroding monopoly control of the enthusiast PC games space was a "fuck the consumers" move. Long term I want more players in the space as it benefits everyone, consumers and developers alike. That Epic is giving visibility and some funding to developers along the way in exchange for timed exclusivity doesn't bother me as a consumer. I'll go where the content is.
What a ridiculous thing to say, of course they knew.Reminder, Obsidian added achievements to the steam version just an hour before this was announced, so I doubt they knew.
Epic AND Steam can fuck off with this exclusive bullshit. PC is the most open platform my ass.
I guess? Usually I'd agree, but I don't know a single person who pirated something for any reason other than price. Sure that's anecdotal, but is he seriously arguing that price isn't a major factor when pirating something?
I don't buy it.
What can you really do when your competition decides to moneyhat?
Epic AND Steam can fuck off with this exclusive bullshit. PC is the most open platform my ass.
It's never been nor will it ever be, it's always gonna be copyright infringement.
way less? steam doesn't do it at allSteam does it way less to be sure. I guess I'm referencing Halo but even that will be on the MS store. So please don't take my shot at Steam as too serious. Mainly aimed at Epic, square on the nose.
Steams monopoly didn't negatively effect the consumers experience
Pretty much my thoughts on it. If the game I want to buy is only on EGS I'll buy it from there. Obviously I'd rather buy it on Steam if given the choice due to the difference in platform features but that's why they aren't giving that choice at the moment.
You are obtaining something without paying for it though.Good thing steam isn't a monopoly.
It's never been nor will it ever be, it's always gonna be copyright infringement.
Was on Steamdb mate
As a law graduate with the focus in media law (German). No. Legally, in Europe, it is not.
As a law graduate with the focus in media law (German). No. Legally, in Europe, it is not.
It's your right as a consumer to buy whatever you want however you want on whatever store you want, but let's not pretend this is a positive move for a consumer. I use plenty of other PC digital stores and I tend to buy games where the benefits for me are I'm no steam loyalist but in this case other than the fact they have locked it to the EPIC store giving me 0 choice whats the pro?
That's a counterfactual that you can't know. Generally markets perform better when there are more players. Steam has rarely been pressured to improve or diversify their offerings, and some of the major advancements came in response to the little competition that exists.
OK, so why doesnt Steam just lower their percentage to what Epic is charging?
As a law graduate with the focus in media law (German). No. Legally, in Europe, it is not.
That's a counterfactual that you can't know. Generally markets perform better when there are more players. Steam has rarely been pressured to improve or diversify their offerings, and some of the major advancements came in response to the little competition that exists. To cite one example, Steam only started offering refunds after Origin had established the practice, and Steam's refund policy still lags Origin's.
On the developer side, I can already see the positive effects of competition in pressuring Valve to start adjusting their cut on sales.
Selling the game on Steam, GMG, Humble, CDKeys, etc. isn't a monopoly, and allows for price competition.I didn't know that eroding monopoly control of the enthusiast PC games space was a "fuck the consumers" move.
Are Ubisoft games ever going to show up on steam again or are they permanent epic store exclusives?
Reminder, Obsidian added achievements to the steam version just an hour before this was announced, so I doubt they knew.
I have friends who decided not to pirate games in order to have access to Steam cloud and universal controller options so he could use his Switch Pro controller.
Steam therefore provided better service than the piracy could provide him.
Donezo. Probably go back to Uplay when/if this deal ends.Are Ubisoft games ever going to show up on steam again or are they permanent epic store exclusives?
Hey, quick question. Mentioning past history (far past) of pirating won't lead to a ban, right?Official Staff CommunicationReminder: Endorsing piracy or declaring your intent to commit piracy is not acceptable here under any circumstances. There's been a lot of that in these threads and if it continues the ban lengths will increase as necessary.
Huch!As a law graduate with the focus in media law (German). No. Legally, in Europe, it is not.
But EGS offers no improvements for customers? Until they do why shouldn't people complain?That's a counterfactual that you can't know. Generally markets perform better when there are more players. Steam has rarely been pressured to improve or diversify their offerings, and some of the major advancements came in response to the little competition that exists. To cite one example, Steam only started offering refunds after Origin had established the practice, and Steam's refund policy still lags Origin's.
On the developer side, I can already see the positive effects of competition in pressuring Valve to start adjusting their cut on sales.
at least ubisoft still has uplay, which technically was what we were using all along