didnt last light not sell well initially on steam? that most of the sales were on consoles.
if thats the case 2.5x isnt necessarily a lot
or am i misremembing?
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The Outer Worlds, Control, Dauntless, SpellBreak, The Cycle, Ancestors & More Coming As Timed Exclusives To Epic Games Store; TOW also on MS Store
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if thats the case 2.5x isnt necessarily a lot
or am i misremembing?
Going to backfire if they don''t sell a good amount of copies on the epic store. Same with a lot of the titles if they are PC only and don't have console releases. People who put a lot of time into a game like Fortnite are not the same people buying single players games like CONTROL.
This has a good way of backfiring, maybe they got enough upfront to re-coup some of the costs and have a little cushion. But if the game was in development for 4 years or so locking it to one store for a year, without any other release storefront is sending your game out to die if the audience doesnt buy those types of games.
On top of when it does come to other storefront like steam, will it even be on peoples radar?
The problem with EGS though is the lack of sales and the lack of consumer-focused features.
If a developer releases a game on both Steam and EGS for the same price or even the Steam price is higher than on EGS.
Which storefront do you think the consumers will choose?
Legally theft needs a physical thing. Morally you can easily argue it is theft or something similar to it. Legally it is not. It is copyright infringement and then there are certain cases when you duplicate it or share a copyright protected product. Downloading something is also a different thing than uploading it.
Hach :D
One example of something Steam had to be pressured into doing, an example that was pretty damn major for their business model, doesn't negate the many, many things Steam did before anyone else, things that the EGS has yet to implement.
Sure, this might get Valve to lower their cut on sales, but when Epic is clearly willing to put their Fortnite-bux into massive moneyhats that directly restrict competition there is nothing Valve can meaningfully do to compete. This is literally the opposite of healthy competition.
You're still wrong about Valve being a Monopoly, btw.
Breach should only be available in the Epic Store. This will put more pressure on Valve.
If you're not glorifying it then it'd be insane if it did lead to a ban lol
It's been clearly good pretty much only for developers so far. I think it doesn't help when the people that clearly benefit from this pretend to the people that so far haven't that it's actually good for them in the long run.
That's about a bullshit as preaching trickle down economics.
I'll remember every developer taking the Epic cash and make sure to not support them in the future. I also care about money and more importantly the integrity and business practices of those I hand my money to.
The Epic store is a disgusting piece of spyware, but hey fuck consumers / potential customers over a bag of money, that has a really nice look to it!
The Epic store is a disgusting piece of spyware, but hey fuck consumers / potential customers over a bag of money, that has a really nice look to it!
This was bound to happen. I am curious how fast EGS is burning through money for those exclusives.
Wasn't Obsidians decision. TakeTwo is the publisher and took the money from Epic.
"Backed by financial incentives, in addition to it's generous revenue split".
There is also the other thing. Epic snatched Exodus just before it was released. So pre-orders of retail and digital copies on 3rd party stores were supposed to be activated on Steam, before they were hastily changed to EGS keys. So this isn't really Epic success.
Oh, don't take this as me agreeing with EGS's methods. I agree with you that features are what sell storefronts.
I've paid more to buy a game on Xbox rather than PS4 because I prefer the Xbox ecosystem.
Wanna hear a fun story? I tried to gift Satisfactory to a friend yesterday (Coffe Stain developed some of my favourite games). Turns out, you can't gift games in the Epic store. So yeah, fuck Epic and every dev who supports their anti-consumer bs.
It says a lot about how entrenched I've been in the act of buying my games on PC via discounts, sales or even sometimes at full price over the years that when someone says they're going to pirate a game as a way to get it, for a second I sort of think, wait people can do that? I wouldn't be surprised if that sentiment sort of starts showing up more and more again as Epic keeps its "you can only buy the game from us now," monopoly going.
Well at least your honest about your position and I can see why you feel so strongly, Tim has straight up said on twitter its only good competition for Developers. You might want to also care about what consumers consider value other than being forced to use one store for 3rd party games though. Do you not care that EGS was literally scraping local data off peoples PCs?
For the record I have no issue with developers being paid correctly, I would have thought that developers being on multiple stores would allow for better revenue than just one but I guess being paid millions of dollars upfront makes it easy as money is all that matters.
Then I won't blame the people working at Obsidian.
Still off the list. Alongside TakeTwo.
I got a question, I guess, are they also anticipating double dipping? Get those folks who want to play the game day one and then get them again a year later when it is on their preferred platform?
So Ive only read the first couple of pages and man am I confused.
What,exactly, is so bad about the epic game store to elicit this kind of response?
What,exactly, is so bad about the epic game store to elicit this kind of response?
I don't wanna use EGS due to features missing that I often take for granted that Steam has and for moral reasons that I can't support a storefront that moneyhats exclusives by just locking them out of other stores.
Noone complains about Origin because EA don't moneyhat third party games, the only exclusives that are there are EA exclusives. Noone cares that Fortnite is only on EGS because it is a Epic made game.
You haven't seen all the tons of other threads about the Epic store for the last few months?
Fuck Epic.
Where are all these random accounts coming from that are either pretending this isn't an issue, or that they don't understand the problem with shit like this?
Where are all these random accounts coming from that are either pretending this isn't an issue, or that they don't understand the problem with shit like this?
Is this a joke post?
A year ago I became a fan of r/patientgamers, so this doesn't matter. I can wait for it to be released on anything besides EGS.
Did I miss something? I know people aren't fans of having another launcher, especially one with less functionality but totally writing off a game you were previously excited for over it?
The majority of the programs you use scrape data off your PC, it depends on what it's used for, who it's being uploaded to. And yes, I read that thread. I tend to try and stay away from being a "reactionary". And no, being on 100 storefronts and selling 1 copy on each is not as good as being on one storefront and selling 1000.
Yes, all those 3rd party games Valve has paid to keep exclusive to Steam, like
sucks for control and outer worlds. both games i planned to get day 1 on steam. i hope remedy got a big paycheck for that, like enough so that the development costs of control are already covered so that they can continue developing games like this. hype for that game is awfully low right now so i was worried that this won't sell when it comes in a couple months.
means that i'll have to get both for cheap in 2020 on steam. there is no way i'm buying anything of the epic games store. i'm also going to get detroit whenever it comes out on steam.
means that i'll have to get both for cheap in 2020 on steam. there is no way i'm buying anything of the epic games store. i'm also going to get detroit whenever it comes out on steam.
I don't really see the point of double dipping in these cases. Not like the Steam versions will have extra content.
It's suite of features is paltry compared to Steam. Not to mention that it's spyware.
read the next epic thread you're in and you'll get that people aren't just annoyed because they have to download another launcher
Or read the last one you were in
Or just read any of them they all play out pretty similarly
Or read the last one you were in
Or just read any of them they all play out pretty similarly
People that think this is a sound business decision on both ends are only fooling themselves. The developers included. This is not something that promotes a prosumer attitude for having healthy competition.
How epic can stregthen their store is to do it the way valve started out which is have games from your own publishing that you own on your storefront. They don't own anything they just are making a storefront exclusive deal.
Valve started out with Half-life, Halflife multiuplayer that they then expanded when they got counter strike on there. Then had the orange box with team fortress 2 which blew up, followed by left for dead 1 and 2, portal 2, dota.
That's what they need to do, locking games for 1 year exclusivity is a shitty thing even if developers are getting good deal, it's not a long terms good idea to force people to come to your store because you locked a game that originally was going to be on multiple storefronts, or at least sold key wise on different sites.
All this does is show they are trying to force you not compel you to buy games on their store. They should have just concentrated on making a bunch of really big interesting games on their store specifically MP games.
Hope steam soon responds with better deals, or unionization for studios happens where they can make their own terms of distribution.
How epic can stregthen their store is to do it the way valve started out which is have games from your own publishing that you own on your storefront. They don't own anything they just are making a storefront exclusive deal.
Valve started out with Half-life, Halflife multiuplayer that they then expanded when they got counter strike on there. Then had the orange box with team fortress 2 which blew up, followed by left for dead 1 and 2, portal 2, dota.
That's what they need to do, locking games for 1 year exclusivity is a shitty thing even if developers are getting good deal, it's not a long terms good idea to force people to come to your store because you locked a game that originally was going to be on multiple storefronts, or at least sold key wise on different sites.
All this does is show they are trying to force you not compel you to buy games on their store. They should have just concentrated on making a bunch of really big interesting games on their store specifically MP games.
Hope steam soon responds with better deals, or unionization for studios happens where they can make their own terms of distribution.
Well, that's a bummer. The lack of features is one thing, taking private data without consent is another. At least The Outerworlds will be on the MS store. I'll just pick up Control on PS4 instead, wasn't going to be able to play with the RTX features anyways.
I think most people are just okay with waiting and not supporting a substandard service that also is spyware.
Valve has done stuff like that in the past though. Exclusive hats and stuff when pre-ordering, for example.
https://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/Promotional_items
At this point it's safe to say any AAA third party game or decently hyped indie game will be a timed exclusive for Epic.
Valve has their work cut out for them if they want to compete with Epic's burgeoning status as a platform for new games. Devs and pubs know that first week sales are lucrative and are looking to maximise their revenues with both paid exclusivity deals and the higher sales cut that EGS offers.
If the Metro Exodus sales are anything to go by, most people don't care about what launcher they have to use. They just want to play games and they already have a PC. Platform features like communities are secondary or even irrelevant when there are so many other services that offer the same thing (eg Discord, Reddit, Era).
If the Metro Exodus sales are anything to go by, most people don't care about what launcher they have to use. They just want to play games and they already have a PC. Platform features like communities are secondary or even irrelevant when there are so many other services that offer the same thing (eg Discord, Reddit, Era).
Gifting is TBD, not that high on their priority.
:(
I love gifting on Steam.
EGS.... :(
Check out a list of game releases of last year and see how many PC games were released on anything but Steam. I'll spoil the result for you: It's a small minority.
Most PC games are Steam exclusives.