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The PC Builders Thread ("I Need a New PC") v2

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MrBob

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Isee said:
Gigabyte is already marketing their z390 boards as "designed for 5GHz+ on all cores".

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Will be interesting to see what the differences between z boards is going to be and how the VRMs of cheaper z370 are going to hold up.
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MSI is also promoting 5ghz+ overclocking on their z390 motherboards too. It sounds like if you have a z370 board with high powered vrm you should be fine. That is going to be the key to over clocking headroom.

It's why I bought a Taichi x370 board for my amd desktop. When Ryzen 2 is out next year I want to make sure I have the motherboard power to properly run the 3700x.
 
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Isee said:
Gigabyte is already marketing their z390 boards as "designed for 5GHz+ on all cores".

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Will be interesting to see what the differences between z boards is going to be and how the VRMs of cheaper z370 are going to hold up.
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I suspect you can overclock to 5 Ghz all cores manually, but it won't boost to that out of box. Not that that is a big deal, but that's probably the distinction.
 
MrBob

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Soda said:
I suspect you can overclock to 5 Ghz all cores manually, but it won't boost to that out of box. Not that that is a big deal, but that's probably the distinction.
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From what I've been reading it sounds like there may be some custom over clocking settings in the bios to go to 5ghz and perhaps even over (I'm assuming you can still do this manually).

It's weird because while cpu review embargoed until Oct 16 I believe, z390 motherboard reviews are starting to pop up.
 
Nostremitus

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That's like some 'Nitro Boost' card vs. what I'm guessing is a reference 1060...

They are in the same ballpark

http://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-GTX-1060-3GB-vs-AMD-RX-580/3646vs3923
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I guess you overlooked that the 480 also outperformed the 1060 3gb?

And your link has a 10% gaming performance difference with the 580 ahead.

The 1060 3gb is a 1060 in name only...

In that performance bracket, 10% can be the difference between solid 60 and frame stutter.

Add to that, that the 10% number is only due to the one game that the 3gb pulled ahead on in modern games... The typical difference when it pulled ahead was around 20%.

The back and forth performance blow swapping you're talking about is between the actual 1060 6gb and the 580.
 
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Nostremitus said:
I guess you overlooked that the 480 also outperformed the 1060 3gb?

And your link has a 10% gaming performance difference with the 580 ahead.

The 1060 3gb is a 1060 in name only...

In that performance bracket, 10% can be the difference between solid 60 and frame stutter.

The back and forth performance blow swapping you're talking about is between the actual 1060 6gb and the 580.
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This link says the 580 is 10% faster in the listed games, with Fortnite running faster on the 3GB 1060

It says it's 3% faster overall
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They are extremely similar cards, and fit the same tier. Both are nicer than a 1050ti but get smoked by a 1070.

The 1060 3/6GB have some differences but are generally the same, just like the rx480 and 580. Personally, I would want a better card than either of those for gaming, but they aren't a 'Far Cry' different from each other.
 
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inner-G said:
This link says the 580 is 10% faster in the listed games, with Fortnite running faster on the 3GB 1060

It says it's 3% faster overall
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They are extremely similar cards, and fit the same tier. Both are nicer than a 1050ti but get smoked by a 1070.

The 1060 3/6GB have some differences but are generally the same, just like the rx480 and 580. Personally, I would want a better card than either of those for gaming, but they aren't a 'Far Cry' different from each other.
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We are talking about real world gaming performance. Which the the 580 is in a different performance bracket than the 1060 3gb. The 1060 3gb is in a different performance bracket than the 1060 6gb. And I agree with the 480 to 580 comparison as the 480 compares to the 570 with regard to performance. A different bracket.


And the effective speed you're looking at, is not a gaming performance metric, it's the scores of userbenchmarks own benchmark which is obviously not a reliable predictor for performance considering the difference between it and actual gaming performance.
 
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Nostremitus said:
We are talking about real world gaming performance. Which the the 580 is in a different performance bracket than the 1060 3gb. The 1060 3gb is in a different performance bracket than the 1060 6gb. And I agree with the 480 to 580 comparison as the 480 compares to the 570 with regard to performance. A different bracket.
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You've got small brackets!

I'd say my general view of GPU brackets/tiers would look like this:

-integrated Intel

-Integrated Vega/GTX 1030/RX550

-1050/ti/560/570

-1060s/580s

-1070/vega56/1070ti

-1080/vega64/2070

-1080ti/2080

-2080ti
 
Nostremitus

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inner-G said:
You've got small brackets!

I'd say my general view of GPU brackets/tiers would look like this:

-integrated Intel

-Integrated Vega/GTX 1030/RX550

-1050/ti/560/570

-1060s/580s

-1070/vega56/1070ti

-1080/vega64/2070

-1080ti/2080

-2080ti
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No, you're just missing a bracket.

There's a bracket between the 1050(ti) /560 and the 1060 6gb/580

The 570 isn't remotely in the performance bracket you placed it in. Big difference between it and the 560.

The 1060 3gb wins the bracket as it outperforms the 570 but not so mu h so as to sit alongside the 1060 6g.and 580.


If you don't trust my opinion on it, here's GN's take on it.
They think it warranted being named 1050ti instead of 1060.

As for the naming, that's another matter. This isn't a lower VRAM GTX 1060 – it's a different card. An entire SM is disabled, including one tenth of the card's processors, and it's half the VRAM. The GTX 1060 3GB should absolutely not be called a GTX 1060. For consumers who are already faced with seemingly endless variants of AIB partner cards – Xs and Zs and Gamings and SCs or SSCs or FTWs or Strix, and on, and on – this only further obfuscates the GTX 1060 pool. It's just not a GTX 1060 – it's a different product. NVidia's choice to name the card as such will confuse buyers into thinking it's just a 1060 with half the VRAM, which is plainly false. This is a GTX 1050 Ti, and nVidia decided not to call it that. It's a marketing play. That doesn't necessarily mean it's a bad thing – all these companies make marketing plays (see: 4GB RX 480 for "$200 VR" ads) – but this isn't one that we can brush aside as harmless, because users will inevitably make the incorrect assumption that the only difference is VRAM.
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https://www.gamersnexus.net/hwreviews/2604-gtx-1060-3gb-vs-6gb-benchmark-review/page-5

Obviously, NV eventually released a different marginally improved card named 1050ti, but that's beside the point. The 1060 3gb performs at a level lower than the 1060 6gb.
 
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Nostremitus said:
Obviously, NV eventually released a different marginally improved card named 1050ti, but that's beside the point. The 1060 3gb performs at a level lower than the 1060 6gb.
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I'm familiar with that GN piece but it's pretty old. Like you said, it's from before the 1050ti was out, and that was a big boost over the 1050.

Where would you rank the 4GB 580 variant? the same as the 8GB?

Of course there will be performance differences when the hardware is different, but I guess i just don't think it's that big of one.

If someone wants a smaller card, and not upgrade a PSU with PCIe connectors, etc, they go for a 1050ti. People on budgets might look at one of the 1060s or 580s, but people building a serious gaming PC in late 2018 will be looking for a 1070 or better, especially with Turing out. Buying a new 1060 (either size) is a hard sell right now, when you can get a used 1070 for less money. At least the new 580s have several free games bundled for the value-minded buyers in that price range.
 
Jet Jaguar

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rickyson33 said:
so just out of a sense of paranoia:

there's this issue i've had for the last couple years that I never was able to identify the cause of where my computer runs perfectly fine for months on end and it can restart fine as well but if I ever have to completely shut it down for any reason it goes into a boot loop instead of starting back up and the cpu needs to be replaced

it started a couple years ago when I stupidly shut it down during a windows update for some reason I don't remember,I was able to get it to start up after a bunch of tries and it ran perfectly fine for 6 months or so until I had to shut it down at which point it did that boot loop thing and nothing worked until I replaced the CPU,then it ran perfectly fine for another 6 months or so until I had to shut it down at which point I had to replace the CPU again,since then it's been running fine for the past year or so but I haven't shut it down so for all I know it still has the same issue,never have been able to pinpoint whats been causing this

anyways it's about time I upgraded some stuff and I plan on going full scorched earth with it aside from keeping my hard drives(new case/power supply/ram/motherboard/cpu/graphics card)

the only old things that i'll still have will be my hard drives,my peripherals(monitors,mouse etc),and this ups which i've been using for the past 4 years and haven't had any issues with: https://www.amazon.com/CyberPower-CP1500PFCLCD-Sinewave-Outlets-Mini-Tower/dp/B00429N19W

should I be at all worried about it carrying over with any of this stuff? want to be sure of getting rid of the issue whatever it is especially since i'm getting one of those new 9900Ks which are pretty pricy
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You don't shut down your computer??

Like, you leave it on for 6months straight?
 
Nostremitus

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inner-G said:
I'm familiar with that GN piece but it's pretty old. Like you said, it's from before the 1050ti was out, and that was a big boost over the 1050.

Where would you rank the 4GB 580 variant? the same as the 8GB?

Of course there will be performance differences when the hardware is different, but I guess i just don't think it's that big of one.

If someone wants a smaller card, and not upgrade a PSU with PCIe connectors, etc, they go for a 1050ti. People on budgets might look at one of the 1060s or 580s, but people building a serious gaming PC in late 2018 will be looking for a 1070 or better, especially with Turing out. Buying a new 1060 (either size) is a hard sell right now, when you can get a used 1070 for less money. At least the new 580s have several free games bundled for the value-minded buyers in that price range.
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The 4 and 8gb 580s are in the same bracket because they have the same amount of GPU cores in them. The only difference is the RAM. The 1060 3gb is a different GPU than the 6gb. It's missing 10% of the processors the 6gb has.

We are discussing performance brackets not price.

And if we were, you could use your same logic regarding used 1070s and apply it to used 1060 6gb cards
 
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Lakeside

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I can't see any reason for a Z370 user to upgrade to Z390, barring some need for the new USB.

I get that they're all going to market this as improved power phases and such, but I seriously would have to see tangible testing results to pull that trigger.
 
Isee

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Lakeside said:
I can't see any reason for a Z370
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Depending on what kind of z370 you are on, you might need to get a new and better board if you wish to overclock to the limit. Cheaper VRMs might start throtteling down due to temperature limitations.
We'll see once reviews are out and somebody actually tests the CPUs on lower - mid range z370 boards. But I'm confident Gamer Nexus will do so... hopefully. Most day one reviews and overclocks will be done on those high end boards though.


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I suspect you can overclock to 5 Ghz all cores manually,
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Oh of course.

I am just wondering if old low-mid range z370 boards have strong enough power deliveries to sustain 5GHz over longer periods of time.
 
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My Netgear Nighthawk R7000 just died... No longer able to detect anything connected via ethernet cable. Can't see the modem or the TV, computers, consoles, etc...


I tried a factory reset and letting it sit unplugged for a bit, no dice.

What's the current best bang for the buck replacement?
 
Katonix

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I want to build an entire new PC. I want to buy all the parts from newegg. Do they have a sale for black fridays? Should I wait or should I buy them now?
 
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Katonix said:
I want to build an entire new PC. I want to buy all the parts from newegg. Do they have a sale for black fridays? Should I wait or should I buy them now?
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Yes they have sales around then, but I'd part out what you'd like now, keep that around and see what you can get. You might bet burned if you limit yourself to only what goes on sale that day.
 

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Jet Jaguar said:
You don't shut down your computer??

Like, you leave it on for 6months straight?
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because of the issue i've had yeah(although I restart it every couple weeks or so if I remember)

although honestly it's something i've done all my life(although usually i'd shut it off every couple weeks or so at night maybe),just too much hassle to turn it back on and then put all the million things I have open back exactly how they were
 
Jet Jaguar

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rickyson33 said:
because of the issue i've had yeah(although I restart it every couple weeks or so if I remember)

although honestly it's something i've done all my life(although usually i'd shut it off every couple weeks or so at night maybe),just too much hassle to turn it back on and then put all the million things I have open back exactly how they were
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...ok wow. I mean I couldn't imagine doing that. Especially my home PC.
 
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So I was checking my system, and it turns out my HDD is horribly outdated, though is not terrible by itself. But since it's only 500gb, it would be better a 1Tb for newer games.

SSD are too expensive, so it would either have to be a small SSD for installing the OS and a HDD for everything else. How are these HDDs ? Toshiba P300 1 TB (HDWD110UZSVA) or Western Digital Blue 1 TB (WD10EZEX) ?
 
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So, I've decided to get back into PC gaming and build a new PC by the end of the year (last time I did it was in 2001!).
I'm aiming for a 4k 60fps machine and I've already decided I'll get a 2080 TI.

My doubts are regarding the CPU. I'm torn between getting the new i9 9900k, going for a Ryzen 2700x, or waiting for the new AMD processors.
The new 9900k seems to cost £549 - £599 right now, which is awfully expensive, and I can get a 2700x for around £300.
So, I'm wondering whether it's worth paying the premium price for the 9900k, although in the long run it might last me longer in terms of performance.

Any advice?
 
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How is this for a build?
Not into pc gaming so the gfx card is not a latest high end one.

I want this pc in the living room hence the quiet parts. Should have it later this week pre built.

Case FRACTAL DEFINE R6 BLACK QUIET MID-TOWER CASE
Processor (CPU) Intel® Core™ i7 Six Core Processor i7-8700k (3.7GHz) 12MB Cache
Motherboard Gigabyte Z370 AORUS Ultra Gaming: ATX, LG1151, USB 3.1, SATA 6GBs - RGB Ready
Memory (RAM) 16GB Corsair VENGEANCE DDR4 3000MHz (2 x 8GB)
Graphics Card 6GB NVIDIA GEFORCE GTX 1060 - DVI, HDMI, 3 x DP - GeForce GTX VR Ready!
1st Hard Disk 4TB SEAGATE BARRACUDA SATA-III 3.5" HDD, 6GB/s, 5400RPM, 256MB CACHE
1st M.2 SSD Drive 500GB SAMSUNG 970 EVO M.2, PCIe NVMe (up to 3400MB/R, 2300MB/W)
DVD/BLU-RAY Drive NOT REQUIRED
Power Supply CORSAIR 850W RMx SERIES™ MODULAR 80 PLUS® GOLD, ULTRA QUIET
Power Cable 1 x 1 Metre UK Power Cable (Kettle Lead)
Processor Cooling Noctua NH-U14S Ultra Quiet Performance CPU Cooler
Thermal Paste COOLER MASTER MASTERGEL MAKER THERMAL COMPOUND
Sound Card ONBOARD 6 CHANNEL (5.1) HIGH DEF AUDIO (AS STANDARD)
Wireless/Wired Networking 10/100/1000 GIGABIT LAN PORT (Wi-Fi NOT INCLUDED)
USB Options MIN. 2 x USB 3.0 & 2 x USB 2.0 PORTS @ BACK PANEL + MIN. 2 FRONT PORTS
 
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So I bought the following Korean monitor off of ebay for $250 on sale a week ago: https://www.ebay.com/itm/US-Mbest-M...z-AMD-FreeSync-27-Gaming-Monitor/223004541375

It's a 165hz, 1440p IPS and I have to say it's one of the best PC purchases I've made in a while. The colors are outstanding, no dead pixels, 165hz flawlessly out of the box, all for the low price of $250. I was thinking about going with a G-sync monitor but for 250-300 this is just a no brainer.

If anyone is looking for an amazing value monitor this should be the one you go with. Just a fantastic monitor. I will stay the stand is almost purposely garbage, but its got VESA mounts which makes it a non-issue.
 
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I'm gonna guess the 9900k will best the 2700X at single threaded and multithreaded tasks, but I bet the performance increase isn't, as a percentage, higher than the cost increase, as a percentage. However, it's gonna be an awesome chip and I'm psyched for those of you picking one up.
 
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I'm gonna guess the 9900k will best the 2700X at single threaded and multithreaded tasks, but I bet the performance increase isn't, as a percentage, higher than the cost increase, as a percentage. However, it's gonna be an awesome chip and I'm psyched for those of you picking one up.
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The fact that they're going back to soldered TIMs is a big deal in itself.
 
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mogster7777 said:
How is this for a build?
Not into pc gaming so the gfx card is not a latest high end one.

I want this pc in the living room hence the quiet parts. Should have it later this week pre built.

Case FRACTAL DEFINE R6 BLACK QUIET MID-TOWER CASE
Processor (CPU) Intel® Core™ i7 Six Core Processor i7-8700k (3.7GHz) 12MB Cache
Motherboard Gigabyte Z370 AORUS Ultra Gaming: ATX, LG1151, USB 3.1, SATA 6GBs - RGB Ready
Memory (RAM) 16GB Corsair VENGEANCE DDR4 3000MHz (2 x 8GB)
Graphics Card 6GB NVIDIA GEFORCE GTX 1060 - DVI, HDMI, 3 x DP - GeForce GTX VR Ready!
1st Hard Disk 4TB SEAGATE BARRACUDA SATA-III 3.5" HDD, 6GB/s, 5400RPM, 256MB CACHE
1st M.2 SSD Drive 500GB SAMSUNG 970 EVO M.2, PCIe NVMe (up to 3400MB/R, 2300MB/W)
DVD/BLU-RAY Drive NOT REQUIRED
Power Supply CORSAIR 850W RMx SERIES™ MODULAR 80 PLUS® GOLD, ULTRA QUIET
Power Cable 1 x 1 Metre UK Power Cable (Kettle Lead)
Processor Cooling Noctua NH-U14S Ultra Quiet Performance CPU Cooler
Thermal Paste COOLER MASTER MASTERGEL MAKER THERMAL COMPOUND
Sound Card ONBOARD 6 CHANNEL (5.1) HIGH DEF AUDIO (AS STANDARD)
Wireless/Wired Networking 10/100/1000 GIGABIT LAN PORT (Wi-Fi NOT INCLUDED)
USB Options MIN. 2 x USB 3.0 & 2 x USB 2.0 PORTS @ BACK PANEL + MIN. 2 FRONT PORTS
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That looks good but the 850w PSU is overkill for that setup. You could save some money and get a 600w or so.
 
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Well Newegg can piss off with the i9-9900K price but I ordered anyways. Got a $499 screen shot at Amazon for price match.
 
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Since installing my EVGA RTX 2080, I've noticed that my PSU emits a buzzing noise when the GPU is under load. Sounds like an electrical buzz if that makes sense. It gets audibly higher the higher the GPU load is. Could this be coil whine, or is it cause for concern?

PSU is an EVGA 750W GQ 80+ Gold

Never noticed this when I had my 1070, which I know uses less power, but maybe I just didnt notice it happening. It required only one 8-pin connector, while the 2080 required an 8-pin and a 6-pin. Its definitely coming from the power supply, I opened the case to make sure.

Could I remedy this by getting a higher quality PSU? Or is it harmless?
 
Veliladon

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9900K pre-ordered with Amazon. Motherboard on the way. RAM on the way. New M.2 SSD (damn 970 EVOs are cheap as hell right now). New PSU, case, and H150i Pro on the way.

So excited. Been waiting for this for a while holding on with my 4670K.
 
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Since installing my EVGA RTX 2080, I've noticed that my PSU emits a buzzing noise when the GPU is under load. Sounds like an electrical buzz if that makes sense. It gets audibly higher the higher the GPU load is. Could this be coil whine, or is it cause for concern?

PSU is an EVGA 750W GQ 80+ Gold

Never noticed this when I had my 1070, which I know uses less power, but maybe I just didnt notice it happening. It required only one 8-pin connector, while the 2080 required an 8-pin and a 6-pin. Its definitely coming from the power supply, I opened the case to make sure.

Could I remedy this by getting a higher quality PSU? Or is it harmless?
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I mean that does sound like coil whine, yes.

It's not particularly harmful, my current card has it actually, but since I wear headphones I don't notice it at all. It's more about whether you can tolerate the noise. Some GPU's can be more susceptible to it, and yes a PSU can be the cause too. It's possible you may still get it even if you buy a new PSU though, it's not guaranteed to go away.
 

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I'm selling my custom gaming PC and screen (in Sydney Australia). Will post on the selling thread but thought I'd drop in here :)
 
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Zafir said:
I mean that does sound like coil whine, yes.

It's not particularly harmful, my current card has it actually, but since I wear headphones I don't notice it at all. It's more about whether you can tolerate the noise. Some GPU's can be more susceptible to it, and yes a PSU can be the cause too. It's possible you may still get it even if you buy a new PSU though, it's not guaranteed to go away.
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Gotcha.

I just moved my tower onto my desk today, it was next to my desk on the ground before now. Rearranged some stuff so I could get it off the ground. Probably why I'm noticing it now.

Doesn't seem to affect anything. I don't hear USB interference with my audio devices either. Probably safe to leave it?
 
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Gotcha.

I just moved my tower onto my desk today, it was next to my desk on the ground before now. Rearranged some stuff so I could get it off the ground. Probably why I'm noticing it now.

Doesn't seem to affect anything. I don't hear USB interference with my audio devices either. Probably safe to leave it?
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Yeah I mean if it doesn't annoy you I wouldn't bother. Especially since even retailers and manufacturers are really iffy about the issue, a lot of them just flat out refuse RMAs over the problem.
 
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Slightly dumb question: building a new PC, and purchased an SSD and it's the drive only. Do I need to purchase a SATA cable on my own or will the motherboard come with it?
 

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Slightly dumb question: building a new PC, and purchased an SSD and it's the drive only. Do I need to purchase a SATA cable on my own or will the motherboard come with it?
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Motherboards come with a few sata cables, you should be fine unless you are hooking up more than a few drives :)
 
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Is there an up to date build list for a tiny form factor going around?

When the finances recover, I'm considering hooking up a tiny pc in the game room with all my local multiplayer steam favorites installed.
 
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