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Celcius

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Welcome to the PC Builders Thread where we talk about computer hardware. Novices and experts alike are both welcome. Whether you're upgrading your existing computer, want to build a new one, have a question, or just like talking about computers in general - we've got you covered!

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Cpu-z (displays processor, motherboard, and memory information): https://www.cpuid.com/softwares/cpu-z.html
Gpu-z (displays information about your videocard): https://www.techpowerup.com/gpuz/
CoreTemp (a program for monitoring processor temperatures): http://www.alcpu.com/CoreTemp/
Evga Precision (useful for overclocking your videocard, monitoring temps, setting a custom fan curve, etc...): https://www.evga.com/precisionxoc/
MSI Afterburner (useful for overclocking your videocard, monitoring temps, setting a custom fan curve, etc...): https://www.msi.com/page/afterburner
AMD Ryzen Master (for Ryzen & Threadripper systems, monitoring and system performance adjustments): http://www.amd.com/en/technologies/ryzen-master
HWiNFO (detailed system information and monitoring): https://www.hwinfo.com/download.php
BlueScreenView (provides info about BSODs): http://www.nirsoft.net/utils/blue_screen_view.html

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Cinebench 15 (CPU Benchmark): https://www.maxon.net/en/products/cinebench/
Unigine Heaven (Graphics Benchmark): https://benchmark.unigine.com/heaven
Unigine Superposition (Graphics Benchmark): https://benchmark.unigine.com/superposition
3DMark (Graphics Benchmark, Click "Download Demo"): http://store.steampowered.com/app/223850/3DMark/
SuperPi Mod 1.5 (CPU Benchmark): http://fugger.ipage.com/super_pi_mod-1.5.zip
FF14 StormBlood Benchmark (Graphics Benchmark): https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/benchmark/
CrystalDiskMark (HDD / SSD Storage Benchmark): https://crystalmark.info/software/CrystalDiskMark/index-e.html

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Asus RealBench (Click "Download RealBench"): https://rog.asus.com/rog-pro/realbench-v2-leaderboard/
Prime95 (warning, P95 can make your system run very hot, keep a close eye on temps): https://www.mersenne.org/download/
OCCT: http://www.ocbase.com/index.php/download
MemTest86 (a great program for stress testing your memory): https://www.memtest86.com/

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Amazon - https://www.amazon.com
Newegg - https://www.newegg.com
Microcenter - http://www.microcenter.com (Also has brick and mortar stores)
Fry's Electronics - https://www.frys.com (Also has brick and mortar stores)

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http://www.overclock.net
http://www.jonnyguru.com
https://www.anandtech.com
https://www.youtube.com/GamersNexus
https://www.youtube.com/Jayztwocents
https://www.youtube.com/Techquickie

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Answering these questions will help us recommend or put together a build for you:

1. What's your budget?
2. What do you want to use the computer for?
3. How soon do you plan to purchase the parts and build it?
4. Are you going to reuse any parts (upgrading) or are you building a completely new computer from scratch?
5. Do you only need the computer itself or do you need accessories too such as a monitor, mouse, keyboard, and speakers?
6. Are you interested in overclocking? (Overclocking is running components such as the processor or videocard at a higher speed than they come from the factory. It can give additional performance but can come with consequences such as increased heat (requiring better cooling), higher power consumption, possibly more noise, and stress testing to ensure that the overclock is stable.)

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(Please note that prices below are subject to change)
[AMD] Entry-Level iGPU Quad-Core, $535
[Intel] Entry-Level Dual-Core, $570
[AMD] Entry-Level Quad-Core, $780
[Intel] Entry-Level Quad-Core, $820
[AMD] Mid-Range/Balanced Build, $980
[AMD] Upper-Mid Tier, $1200
[Intel] Upper-Mid Tier, $1200
[AMD] Octa-Core First-Level, $1400
[AMD] Octa-Core Second-Level, $1600
[AMD] High-End Gaming, $1875
[Intel] High-End Gaming, $1900
[AMD] The "Money Is No Object" Build, $2800
[Intel] The "Money Is No Object" Build, $2850

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Processor (CPU) - Think of this as the brain of your computer. It's responsible for processing all of the instructions necessary to make your computer do things. Modern CPU's have multiple cores (multiple processors on a single chip) and whether you need more cores or faster cores depends on what type of tasks you'll need the CPU to execute.
Memory (RAM)- When programs need to be executed, they get loaded into memory so that they can then be processed by the processor. This memory is volatile or non-persistent, meaning that the data stored here will be lost when you turn off your computer.
Motherboard - Think of this as the heart of your computer. Everything in your computer plugs into this and it's basically responsible for allowing all of the components (like the cpu and videocard for example) to communicate with each other.
Videocard - This is responsible for rendering everything that you seen on your computer screen. A videocard contains both the GPU (graphics processing unit) and VRAM (video RAM, used just by the gpu and not the rest of the system).
Storage - This is the place where data is stored on your computer long term. If you turn off the computer then the data is persisted and will still be there the next time you turn it on. The two most popular types of storage are HDDs (hard disk drives) and SSDs (solid state drives). HDDs are an older technology, have internal moving parts, and are slower, yet are cheaper per gigabyte. SSDs are a newer technology that has no moving parts, is faster and quieter, but is also more expensive per gigabyte. The two most popular types of SSDs are SATA-based SSDs (connects to the motherboard via a SATA data cable and a SATA power cable) and M.2 SSDs (newer, plugs directly into the motherboard with no cables required and uses a faster interface).
Case - This is the chassis that houses your computer. There are a wide variety of case types for a wide variety of purposes and preferences. Some people like small cases that fit anywhere, silent cases that mask or reduce fan noise, large cases that can fit a lot of components, fancy cases with RGB lighting or very nice looks, etc...
Power Supply (PSU) - This is the part that is responsible for providing power to the components inside your computer. You should look at the overall wattage to make sure that it can provide enough power for your system as well as other features like the efficiency rating (how well the PSU converts the AC power it receives from the outlet to DC power the components of the PC can use), modularity (whether cables not needed can be disconnected from the psu), the fan (whether it turns off under no load or turns slowly under light loads to reduce noise), how many amps each of the rails provides, etc...
Optical Drive - If you want to use optical media on your computer such as a CD-ROM, a DVD, or a Blu-ray then you'll want one of these. You can either go for an internal drive or an external drive. An internal drive is inside the computer and right there whenever you may need it, but an external drive can be put away when you don't need it even easily be used among several computers if necessary since it's easy to disconnect and reconnect it.
Sound Card - Most modern motherboards come with internal sound components already which allow you to hear sound from your computer. However, there are also standalone internal sound cards or even external DACs and amps that you can buy if you want even higher quality sound or specific features.
Cooling - This includes case fans, the fan & heatsink on your processor, and the fan & heatsink on your videocard. Normally when you buy a case it comes with a few fans, but more fans can be added to improve cooling or the stock fans can be replaced with different fans depending on if you want different colors, different speeds / noise, or even just higher quality and longer lasting fans. For CPU cooling you can either go with air cooling (which involves a metal heatsink on the processor and most likely one or more fans to blow air across the heatsink fins), AIO (all-in-one) water cooling (which includes a water-block, pump, reservoir, and tubing all in one unit designed for ease of use), custom water cooling (where you buy the water cooling components separately in order to customize it and achieve even better performance and/or lower noise), or exotic cooling (like phase change, dry ice, or liquid nitrogen used for hardcore benchmarking). Videocards come with either air cooling or AIO water cooling, but they can also be switched over to custom water cooling and some come with a custom water-block pre-installed and ready for your custom water cooling loop. Exotic cooling is also possible for videocards but again is only for hardcore benchmarkers.
PCI-Express Cards - These are add-in cards that can populate your motherboard's pci-express slots in order to add more functionality. An add-in sound card or WiFi pci-express adapter are examples.
Accessories - Other accessories can also exist inside a computer such as RGB lighting strips and more

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How to assemble a computer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ea_bs5G1yYU
Explaination of hyper-threading: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnS50lJicXc
Introduction to custom water cooling: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SR9jEczwCZ4

If you have any questions then feel free to ask us!
 
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Celcius

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Later I plan to add more info to the OP such as recommended builds for a given budget, recommended parts, commonly asked questions, and any other suggestions from you all. It's 1am and I have to go to work in the morning so I've gotta take a break for now. :)
Feel free to make any suggestions and I'll be glad to take a look tomorrow.
 

ZhugeEX

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Oct 24, 2017
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Great work Celcius.

I'm going to need this thread next month!
 

Jacobson

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i wasn't able to follow the pc building scene for a year. what's the preferred CPU right now by the community? kaby lake or ryzen?
 

Isee

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Oct 25, 2017
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i wasn't able to follow the pc building scene for a year. what's the preferred CPU right now by the community? kaby lake or ryzen?

The R5 1600 dominated most new builds for the last couple of months, while recommendation for Kabylake were nearly non existent (except for high FPS 'high end' builds). I expect the i5 8400/ 8600k to be new go to CPU in a month or two... We'll see.
 

DanChop12

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Great OT!

I just finished my first build. It's not the cleanest build I've seen, but it's mine and I'm proud.

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I was worried the Borg figures might affect the airflow, but temps have remained very solid with the two intake, and two exhaust fans. Idle in the low 30s, and I haven't seen them hit 60 yet even under stress.

This was a very fun process, and for those that are intimidated just use the resources in the OP and go for it. It's super easy, and fun!

Ryzen 5 1600 w/ Stealth Wraith Cooler
Asus Strix ROG GTX 1070 OC
16GB Corsair Vengeance 3200Mhz
275GB Crucial SSD
6TB WD Blue 3.5"
2TB Toshiba 3.5"
6TB WD External USB 3.0
 

Aztechnology

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Not too long ago finally made the jump to a 1080ti on a phenomenal deal. Selling my 1070 paid for like 80% of it.
 

Isee

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Oct 25, 2017
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Very cool looking build!
About the airflow. I remember watching a Linus video some time ago where they tried to influence case airflow by throwing in tons of stuff into a closed case. To everybody's surprise temperatures were stable, no matter how much stuff they threw into the system. Till they finally blocked of the case fans entirely.

Edit: I think it was this one


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Wow, those new forum features are neat.
 
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speedlolita

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The R5 1600 dominated most new builds for the last couple of months, while recommendation for Kabylake were nearly non existent (except for high FPS 'high end' builds). I expect the i5 8400/ 8600k to be new go to CPU in a month or two... We'll see.

The 8600K and 8700K seem like phenomenal solutions for gaming. And as you say, the 8400 seems entirely viable too. I only upgraded to my 7700K about 4 months ago but the urge to sell and up to a 8700K is definitely there.
 

Isee

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Oct 25, 2017
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The 8600K and 8700K seem like phenomenal solutions for gaming. And as you say, the 8400 seems entirely viable too. I only upgraded to my 7700K about 4 months ago but the urge to sell and up to a 8700K is definitely there.

I also have the 7700k and trust me, I absolutely understand the urge to upgrade to the new 8700k. BUT I'm trying to be reasonable this time around. The 7700k will be able to give me solid 60+ FPS performance till (at least) the next console generation starts (2019/20?). By then new i7s with 6-8 cores will be the norm and they will be more powerful then the current 8700k and will be maybe even able to reach 5ghz without much trouble or have other benefits. It actually makes more sense to hold on to the 7700k now and to safe the money or invest it into a new GPU, ssd or display...
I have also read some rumours about Intel planning to release new mainstream 8 core i7s next spring that will only work with new z390 Mainboards...
 

DanChop12

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Very cool looking build!
About the airflow. I remember watching a Linus video some time ago where they tried to influence case airflow by throwing in tons of stuff into a closed case. To everybody's surprise temperatures were stable, no matter how much stuff they threw into the system. Till they finally blocked of the case fans entirely.

That video is hilarious! And reassuring. I'm using a Cooler Master N200 mini case, and it just doesn't have much room behind the motherboard at all. Thanks for the vid!
 

CommodoreKong

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Great work Celcius.

I'm going to need this thread next month!

Yeah I'm building a new computer very soon as well, likely with the next couple of months once the 6 core Coffee Lake becomes easier to find. It's been years since I built my current PC (though I did upgrade my video card 2 or 3 years ago) but it's getting to the point that major releases aren't really aren't running very well on it, if at all.
 

Pizzamigo

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Have any new contenders come out for SFF case recently? Or are the favorites still the nCase and Dan Case?

I have a SFF Case right now, but looking to move everything over to a sleeker case, but the nCase and Dan Case are so expensive! And when I last looked they took forever to ship.
 

hlhbk

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So I have the following specs that I built roughly 3 years ago (obviously the video card was bought in the last year)

Intel 4970k (not over clocked)
16 GB RAM
Nvidia GTX 1080ti
SSD
Win 10
Gsync monitor

All games I have tested have ran fine on my system at or near max settings. The one program I am considering upgrading for is Cemu. I have been told my processor is a bottle neck. What do you guys think? Should I upgrade? If I do it would just need to be motherboard, RAM, and proc.
 

JakeG4

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Hold me I'm going in.

Current build
Cpu: i5 2500k
GPU: GTX 680
Ram: 8gb
SSD&HDD
850W PSU

So obviously that isn't the full build but I'm looking to upgrade in the next month or so to hopefully this:

CPU: i7 8700k
GPU: 1080ti or possibly 1070ti
RAM: 16GB
SSD&HDD
850W PSU

now my question is can I buy the GPU and put it in my old build for the time being until the Coffee lake becomes available? Obviously my computer hasn't had a upgrade in a long long time so other things like the CPU will bottleneck it then, but that will be sorted ASAP.

Also which would be better to go for 1080ti or 1070ti?
 

JakeG4

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All games I have tested have ran fine on my system at or near max settings. The one program I am considering upgrading for is Cemu. I have been told my processor is a bottle neck. What do you guys think? Should I upgrade? If I do it would just need to be motherboard, RAM, and proc.
I think you'd be able to keep the RAM as well.
 

vegtro

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Slowly getting parts for an upgrade and haven't noticed until recently, but oh my at the prices of RAM. By the end of the year, it may as well be the price of a top of the line GPU.
 

Zatoichi

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I'm holding off to see what Intel and AMD bring next, Ryzen 2 and Intel's first engineered response to Ryzen.

Also as I am on a 1080, unless the 11 series is a huge jump I might just hold on to the next generation.
 

Akoi

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Hold me I'm going in.
now my question is can I buy the GPU and put it in my old build for the time being until the Coffee lake becomes available? Obviously my computer hasn't had a upgrade in a long long time so other things like the CPU will bottleneck it then, but that will be sorted ASAP.

Also which would be better to go for 1080ti or 1070ti?


Depends on the pricing and performance of the 1070ti and how long you plan to keep the card without upgrading it. if it was me I would get the 1080ti since it looks like you dont upgrade all that often.

Also yes, you can put either card in your current setup and it should be fine.
 

Isee

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hlhbk : I thought that Cemu only profits from Multi threading when building shader cache for the first time, and relies on fast single core performance for the rest... But I never used it myself so...

Hold me I'm going in.

Current build
Cpu: i5 2500k
GPU: GTX 680
Ram: 8gb

So obviously that isn't the full build but I'm looking to upgrade in the next month or so to hopefully this:

CPU: i7 8700k
GPU: 1080ti or possibly 1070ti
RAM: 16GB

now my question is can I buy the GPU and put it in my old build for the time being until the Coffee lake becomes available? Obviously my computer hasn't had a upgrade in a long long time so other things like the CPU will bottleneck it then, but that will be sorted ASAP.

Also which would be better to go for 1080ti or 1070ti?

In the end it mostly depends at what resolution, settings and fps you want to play.

1070ti allows for 1080p/60 at ultra settings. 1440p/60 at reasonable very high / ultra settings, 4k/60 at low-medium settings. 1440p/100 at medium settings and 1080p/100+ at High-ultra settings should also be possible.

The 1080ti should be about 30-40% faster then the 1070ti. You can even go for 4k/60 at high settings with it.

(I'm generalising performance here to give you some sort of guideline. Some games will obviously run better or worse, and late 2018 games will of course be more demanding then current 2017 games.)

And yes you can of course use even a 1080ti with your 2500k. Performance shouldn't actually be that bad and even 4k/60 at high should be possible that way, for the most part. Just don't expect your CPU to be able to hold those 60 fps all the time, especially not in AAA open world titles like GTA 5 or watch dogs 2.
 
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JakeG4

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What resolution are you looking to run? If you want 4k or if money is not a big concern go with the 1080. If you are just looking for 1080p or 1440p 60fps I say pick up the 1070ti.
For now, 1080 until I get a 4k monitor early next year
Depends on the pricing and performance of the 1070ti and how long you plan to keep the card without upgrading it. if it was me I would get the 1080ti since it looks like you dont upgrade all that often.

Also yes, you can put either card in your current setup and it should be fine.
Yeah I wasn't really in a position 4 years ago to be upgrading all the time, totally different story now though and finally getting around to doing it. But hopefully I'll get this 1080ti then and have it in my old build while I wait for the 8700k.
 

JakeG4

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Oct 25, 2017
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I'm about to take the plunge on the
Asus GTX 1080Ti ROG Strix OC 11GB GDDR5X Graphics Card

Unless anyone's got any advice against it?
 

Akoi

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I'm about to take the plunge on the
Asus GTX 1080Ti ROG Strix OC 11GB GDDR5X Graphics Card

Unless anyone's got any advice against it?

I am more of an EVGA guy myself but that isnt a bad card by any means. (cant go wrong with either honestly)

This is the card I would get though (mostly because I am a sucker for EVGA, especially their FTW cards):

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814487338&ignorebbr=1&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-PCPartPicker, LLC-_-na-_-na-_-na&cm_sp=&AID=10446076&PID=3938566&SID=
 

Kaako

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Feels right to see the PC Build thread here. Thanks for putting in that work.
 

thenexus6

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So I currently have an i3 6100 and a GTX 950.

I plan on getting a 1060 6GB as soon as I see one with a decent price. I wonder should I just upgrade my CPU at the same time? I was thinking a i5 7500 or something? Thats a much better pairing and should avoid any bottle neck the i3 gives me. I would like this build to last another 2-3 years ideally.
 

Rebel1

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I'm currently gonna do a build with a ryzen 5 1600 and a 1060... however I heard that ryzen is funny with ram... What's that about?
 

Isee

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Oct 25, 2017
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So I currently have an i3 6100 and a GTX 950.

I plan on getting a 1060 6GB as soon as I see one with a decent price. I wonder should I just upgrade my CPU at the same time? I was thinking a i5 7500 or something? Thats a much better pairing and should avoid any bottle neck the i3 gives me. I would like this build to last another 2-3 years ideally.

Sounds like a reasonable and not to expansive way to upgrade your build to me.
If you are using a "skylake" z170, H170,H110 or b150 Mainboard just make sure to update the firmware to enable kablylake support before exchanging CPUs.
 

JonnyDBrit

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Great work Celcius.

I'm going to need this thread next month!

Good plan. That'll give time for 1070 Ti benchmarks to go up (Hardware Unboxed have said they can't release any till next week), while with Coffeelake out, you'll have the full suite of CPU options to look at.

RAM prices still suck though.
 

Barajas_201

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Sup guys. Is Black Friday/Cyber Monday a good time to get my PC parts? Or should I wait longer for new CPUs? Looking to buy a Pentium G4600.
 
Oct 26, 2017
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Nice, I was looking for this. Still waiting to get my hands on a CL processor before I can start my build, but they're incredibly scarce in my country atm.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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So I managed to score a good price on a customized Alienware Aurora R7 with an 8700 CPU, 1080ti, and 32GB of DDR4. It's even liquid cooled. This is the first time I've managed to order a system that cost the same in parts (and not including the case).

Of course - Dell being Dell - the wiring will probably be pretty generic / messy even. I plan to redo it all. Also didn't spring for more RAM because they were asking too much. Plan is to swap in higher speed 64GB DDR4 later on (helpful for the work I do).

Has anyone dealt with an Aurora's wiring?
 
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