Anyone else think we'll get another ASOIAF adaptation in 20-40 years? I've had this thought for a while.
It wouldn't have the same impact and no creative would want to touch it.
Anyone else think we'll get another ASOIAF adaptation in 20-40 years? I've had this thought for a while.
My interpretation of her speech about tyrants is that she's not being entirely honest with herself.Hers to rule over, yes. Nothing had ever been showed in any of the episodes that would lead us to believe she wanted the common folk dead. In the very same episode, she claimed to want to remove the tyrant thoroughly to ensure that future generations did not have to endure their rule.
This. If she's cracking we should be seeing those cracks. How D&D chose to portray that was her not eating or sleeping and looking like hell. For most people that's not enough to be a convincing portrayal of someone on the brink of genocidal madness.Notice how those are all things that happen TO Dany, rather than Dany's character choosing to make more and more extreme decisions as things progress.
"Bad things happen to this person" isn't character development
Yea I feel some need to downright apologize for that shit.People on this forum were equating not liking the new season's writing to Gamergate a few days ago.
I disagree about Jaime; I understand his impetus, his inability to ever actually quit Cersei. But the rest of those are all indeed wildly stupid. Like I said, once they no longer had the books to draw on, just some faint road map of major beats and they had to connect the dots themselves, everything took an absolute dive.Actually no, because both of those led somewhere. Ned's and Robb's death are both major moments in the show that set many things into motion. Those only led to nothing ultimately if you follow the echoes their deaths left because those end up at these final episodes where all build-up to things is just thrown in the wind. Also, it's not true that their deaths came out of nowhere, both were actually pretty well telegraphed beforehand, you just have to look a bit harder for the hints, but they're there.
The problem isn't that it ends in a way "we don't want". I don't give a shit about what I want, the problem is that it completely undermines years of character development and is seemingly just done because Benioff and Weiss think unexpected equals good for some reason.
- Did I expect Jaime's entire character arc to have been pointless because in the penultimate episode he reverts back to his season 1 persona?
- Did I expect that he's apparently been lying this entire time about why he killed Aerys because "he never really cared about the civilians of King's Landing?"
- Did I expect that Bran's storyline would climax with him sitting at a tree during the big White Walker confrontation doing fuck all?
- Did I expect that there seems to be no real reason why Jon Snow was brought back by the Lord of Light?
- Did I expect Arya to kill the Night King despite not even knowing about him until two episodes before it happens?
- Did I expect that the reason that Beric was able to come back so many times was to save Arya in a hallway?
- Did I expect the White Walkers, this Eldritch horror that has previously shrouded the entire world in darkness for hundreds of years, to be killed off in just over an hour of television time by a single knife stab?
- Did I expect Euron Greyjoy to kill a dragon out of nowhere?
- Did I expect them to last-minute try to make a tragic character out of Cersei?
No, of course I didn't expect any of that, because that is all fucking stupid.
Jamie putting honor over family? Like when he threw a child to his death to protect the family secret?The worst thing is that the directing on the episode is fantastic, the battle for Kings Landing is incredibly well done, the writing is just extremely poor and they mistreat so many of the great characters the show has.
Dany going mad is honestly one of the better things they accomplish, they absolutely build that up in a believable way, but Jamie dying while trying to rescue Cersei felt the exact opposite way and up till two episodes ago he was still a character who put his honor before family.
The problem is not the outcome, it's the journey there and making the actions of the characters feel believable after spending so much time with them, and Jamie's journey certainly didn't feel believable from the moment he left Brienne sobbing in Winterfell.
Whatever the ending is next week will almost assumably be bad and Jon Snow will probably end up being the unwilling king of a kingdom he never wanted, the question is just how many weird curveballs they decide to throw at us before the end of the episode.
Most people are always a certain amount of shit going awful from giving into the dark, all those things push her into a rather difficult position. Having her make a display of her power and ruthlessness in order to empower her position that had constantly being undermined isn't character assassination. It follows the arc of the character.None of that explains why she would start massacre innocents after already winning. It makes no sense why she would ignore Cersei and focus on innocents. The massive backlash shows the writing didn't work. Nobody is buying she would do this
It's not the detail of travel that people care about, it's about the way constraints facing the characters shape their actions and how it contributes to pacing. Remember how a major plot point from Seasons 1-3 emerged from the need to cross a bridge?Really enjoyed it personally. The big twist was telegraphed from a mile away, so I'm shocked that others are shocked. For the complaints about characters "teleporting" from one side of the map to other -- do we really need to see what happened to them along the way? Is that minutia really germane to the plot as a whole?
I'm accepting my futility quite well, GOT and SW fans should learn to do the same and spare us the outrage about shit that doesn't matter at all. This is supposed to be entertaining, if you aren't, if you are upset enough Just. Stop. Watching. That's a rather simple thing to solve. I doubt the ending that has been filmed is getting changed cause people are raging on the internet.
If it were telegraphed from a mile away, people wouldn't be upset.
The problem is that it wasn't. Literally near the end of the previous season, Dany was making a speech reminding the audience that she's there to save the innocents. She's constantly talking about saving the innocents.
For seemingly no reason, she disregards that because of some bells.
It's not the detail of travel that people care about, it's about the way constraints facing the characters shape their actions and how it contributes to pacing. Remember how a major plot point from Seasons 1-3 emerged from the need to cross a bridge?
For all the spectacle the show was able to deliver in the later seasons, it feels smaller than it ever did during the early episodes.
But chicken wingsI'm good. I won't seek them out, I'm just saying it won't be the end of the world if it accidentally happens I guess.
Someone read the spoilers for the next episode and he said " it gets worse" lmao. He didn't say what but um yea. Everyone must be prepared for for the complete opposite of what we've been lead to believe on this show.The worst thing is that the directing on the episode is fantastic, the battle for Kings Landing is incredibly well done, the writing is just extremely poor and they mistreat so many of the great characters the show has.
Dany going mad is honestly one of the better things they accomplish, they absolutely build that up in a believable way, but Jamie dying while trying to rescue Cersei felt the exact opposite way and up till two episodes ago he was still a character who put his honor before family.
The problem is not the outcome, it's the journey there and making the actions of the characters feel believable after spending so much time with them, and Jamie's journey certainly didn't feel believable from the moment he left Brienne sobbing in Winterfell.
Whatever the ending is next week will almost assumably be bad and Jon Snow will probably end up being the unwilling king of a kingdom he never wanted, the question is just how many weird curveballs they decide to throw at us before the end of the episode.
Jamie putting honor over family? Like when he threw a child to his death to protect the family secret?
Someone read the spoilers for the next episode and he said " it gets worse" lmao. He didn't say what but um yea. Everyone must be prepared for for the complete opposite of what we've been lead to believe on this show.
I just want jon to go back north and say fuck it all. Died for this shit? Hell nah. We know Dany is dead now. Sansa to be the supreme ruler as she got what she wanted. "Checkmate" will be her last words as the camera pans out and screen fades to black.
This. If she's cracking we should be seeing those cracks. How D&D chose to portray that was her not eating or sleeping and looking like hell. For most people that's not enough to be a convincing portrayal of someone on the brink of genocidal madness.
Someone read the spoilers for the next episode and he said " it gets worse" lmao. He didn't say what but um yea. Everyone must be prepared for for the complete opposite of what we've been lead to believe on this show.
I just want jon to go back north and say fuck it all. Died for this shit? Hell nah. We know Dany is dead now. Sansa to be the supreme ruler as she got what she wanted. "Checkmate" will be her last words as the camera pans out and screen fades to black.
Really enjoyed it personally. The big twist was telegraphed from a mile away, so I'm shocked that others are shocked. For the complaints about characters "teleporting" from one side of the map to other -- do we really need to see what happened to them along the way? Is that minutia really germane to the plot as a whole?
Holy shit I hate him. No way lol. I would punch my TV if this happened. Haha.Or maybe Euron survived and teleports in to claim the throne after everyone kills themselves trying to solve the Dany problem.
A minor thing, but I thought it was quite funny that, in a show that has people, armies, and fleets teleporting across continents to exactly the time and place they want, that Jaime couldn't make it through that gate before it shut.
That's how she sees the residents of King's Landing. She saw the Red Keep as rightfully hers and the whole city complicit in keeping it from her. It isn't that hard to understand or see. She even says so in the episode.
That was her when she was level headed and rational, and had many loved ones and trusted advisors around her. She viewed those people as her herd. She views the people of King's Landing as complicit.
I never loved dany either. She still was never portrayed to be anything like this.
I'm accepting my futility quite well, GOT and SW fans should learn to do the same and spare us the outrage about shit that doesn't matter at all. This is supposed to be entertaining, if you aren't, if you are upset enough Just. Stop. Watching. That's a rather simple thing to solve. I doubt the ending that has been filmed is getting changed cause people are raging on the internet.
except when she has always had a god complex and all her good ideas are her advisers telling her what to do.I never loved dany either. She still was never portrayed to be anything like this.
Dookie huh?
Thats another thing thats driving me nuts. Everyone is talking about how insanity was passed on through genetics but the mad king went mad due to being poisoned. But then again nothing about this writing makes sense so. Maybe she just forgot that insanity wasn't hereditaryWhat I dont like are the comparisons with the mad king. Its heavily hinted that the mad king was crazy only because he was tortured/poisoned. Danny is just crazy because she's a woman giving into her impulses. :/
She really wasnt. Thats revisionist history and selectively choosing which parts of her life to use to support this end while ignoring the many, MANY more instances of her being good and refraining from being tyrannical.except when she has always had a god complex and all her good ideas are her advisers telling her what to do.
she was a fragile person who only knew that she is the rightful ruler and everyone should love her because she is their rightful ruler.
she was psycho from the beginning. she would have been more tyranical early on if it wasnt for tyrion, the dude that loved her, etc.
Not surprised. I saw a post about a week ago that was trying to draw parallels between Gamergate and book fans who are unhappy with the show. Yeah, no.People on this forum were equating not liking the new season's writing to Gamergate a few days ago.
That's a very good question. Another is why he isn't immune to dragon fire. I think it's odd that everything Dany says is taken at face value with no look at what her actions vs words vs reactions are to situations. I saw this development coming and it was of no surprise to me, if very rushed. That time of the month comment is pretty crass."I will take what is mine with fire and blood and then I will set all of it on fire."
Just because she said so directly in the terribly written episode doesn't mean that it's in keeping with any of her previously stated values.
Better keep her away from the nukes during that time of the month, am I right!
How come it's just accepted that Dany got the craaaaaazy Targaryen gene and Jon is totally fine?
The thing is that both the show and the books have been pounding it into our heads forever that Jon is important, so I think it's understandable that people wanted Jon to have something to do with defeating the Night King, even if it was just intentionally keeping Viserion distracted so that Arya could slip into the Godswood.Ah that's a misrepresentation/straw man if I ever saw one. People were saying she has a believable amount of experience and skill as an assassin to even attempt it. Jon had his chance and blew it like an idiot, and people were still bitching he didn't get his deserved duel he was entitled to or wrote some horrible fan fiction version of what would have satisfied them. It got to the point they were using cinematic effects for that scene as logistic proof of their complaints. GoT fans that have taken such personal affront to the show are embarrassing. Morrigan has been a critic of the show since it started and even she was starting to get uneasy with the 'Arya shouldn't have been the one' shit.
Jon is a fantastic charismatic leader despite his reluctance and competent soldier, but he's not an adept combat strategist and the Night King knew he was a threat and kept him out of arms reach. I wanted to see Jon fight him too, but the moment NK raised the dead of Winterfell I was like 'yeah...not happening'The thing is that both the show and the books have been pounding it into our heads forever that Jon is important, so I think it's understandable that people wanted Jon to have something to do with defeating the Night King, even if it was just intentionally keeping Viserion distracted so that Arya could slip into the Godswood.
someone said that people that didn't like the episode were loserless friends
and they said that here!
wtf
I'm accepting my futility quite well, GOT and SW fans should learn to do the same and spare us the outrage about shit that doesn't matter at all. This is supposed to be entertaining, if you aren't, if you are upset enough Just. Stop. Watching. That's a rather simple thing to solve. I doubt the ending that has been filmed is getting changed cause people are raging on the internet.
So how can I feel superior while highlighting my own futile existence?Maybe they're accepting their own futility as well. And merely discussing the merits and faults of something they enjoy, or used to enjoy.
Two things about posts like yours:
1. You contribute nothing to the thread, only disparaging people having a conversation about their hobbies. To feel superior, i guess.
2. I'm leaning more and more into the belief that the most outraged people on the internet are those that label everyone else as outraged.
But please carry on with your indignation.
He isn't a redeemable character. He has always been awful. Everytime he defended a vicious ruler like Cersei which he knows to be a fucking monster just highlights this point even more. That's why he went to try to save her, between doing the right thing and Cersei he always chose her, his actions in the last episode were consistent with his character. Do you remember why he killed the mad king? Cersei did the what he tried to do and Jamie got her pregnant as a reward.That's the very start of his character arch, he used to be someone who had no issues being evil to serve his own interests, he was never a good or directly honorable man. His arch is about redemption and season 7 literally ends with him defying Cersai to do what's right for the realm and fight the night king as promised, season 1 Jamie would never have left Cersai in order to fight a losing battle.
It's why his "I was always a bad man" turn in episode 4 was so disappointing and not believable, why did he even go to Winterfell in the first place if Cersai is everything he wanted at any cost, if anything that character turn needed much more time to develop.