It wouldn't have the same impact and no creative would want to touch it.
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The penultimate episode of Game of Thrones is the lowest rated episode in series history (critic reviews)
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It wouldn't have the same impact and no creative would want to touch it.
My interpretation of her speech about tyrants is that she's not being entirely honest with herself.
This. If she's cracking we should be seeing those cracks. How D&D chose to portray that was her not eating or sleeping and looking like hell. For most people that's not enough to be a convincing portrayal of someone on the brink of genocidal madness.
Tyrion should be long dead. Think about how many Hands Aerys went through at the end of his reign. Daenarys constantly shitting on his advice but doing nothing about it was hollow. It's a shocking series full of grave consequences. Fucking kill the Hand you think has constantly failed you.
I'm good. I won't seek them out, I'm just saying it won't be the end of the world if it accidentally happens I guess.
On its own the episode isn't bad. It's because they rushed to get here. If GRRM had finished all of the books before the series started I think the what we know as season 6, 7 and 8 would have been 6, 7, 8 ,9 and 10.
There would have been more build up and more explanation. I think the end is the same, but D&D rushed to finish the series and this is the result.
There would have been more build up and more explanation. I think the end is the same, but D&D rushed to finish the series and this is the result.
Yea I feel some need to downright apologize for that shit.
I disagree about Jaime; I understand his impetus, his inability to ever actually quit Cersei. But the rest of those are all indeed wildly stupid. Like I said, once they no longer had the books to draw on, just some faint road map of major beats and they had to connect the dots themselves, everything took an absolute dive.
Jamie putting honor over family? Like when he threw a child to his death to protect the family secret?
Most people are always a certain amount of shit going awful from giving into the dark, all those things push her into a rather difficult position. Having her make a display of her power and ruthlessness in order to empower her position that had constantly being undermined isn't character assassination. It follows the arc of the character.
It's not the detail of travel that people care about, it's about the way constraints facing the characters shape their actions and how it contributes to pacing. Remember how a major plot point from Seasons 1-3 emerged from the need to cross a bridge?
For all the spectacle the show was able to deliver in the later seasons, it feels smaller than it ever did during the early episodes.
I'm accepting my futility quite well, GOT and SW fans should learn to do the same and spare us the outrage about shit that doesn't matter at all. This is supposed to be entertaining, if you aren't, if you are upset enough Just. Stop. Watching. That's a rather simple thing to solve. I doubt the ending that has been filmed is getting changed cause people are raging on the internet.
But consider how the show built up her being a fair and peaceful ruling queen so much (this is GoT - you come to expect just the opposite of how you think it will unfold). Consider her crucifixion of the ruling elite when she freed the slaves. Consider her burning of the Tarlys. And especially consider how she resigned to letting her subjects fear her instead of loving her. When she lost her dragons, you could tell all warmth and humanity in her pretty much peaced out. Also, when Tyrion was trying to convince her to yield when she heard the bells, her expression was deadpan, clearly showing she was not convinced.
I dunno, for me personally, I saw it coming early on.
For me, I think it was the fact that so many of their enemies and the obstacles thrown at them early on were now either dead/destroyed, or joined with them (save for Cersei of course). If they did throw something else up, it would (to me) seem forced and an excuse to delay their date with destiny.
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Someone read the spoilers for the next episode and he said " it gets worse" lmao. He didn't say what but um yea. Everyone must be prepared for for the complete opposite of what we've been lead to believe on this show.
I just want jon to go back north and say fuck it all. Died for this shit? Hell nah. We know Dany is dead now. Sansa to be the supreme ruler as she got what she wanted. "Checkmate" will be her last words as the camera pans out and screen fades to black.
That's the very start of his character arch, he used to be someone who had no issues being evil to serve his own interests, he was never a good or directly honorable man. His arch is about redemption and season 7 literally ends with him defying Cersai to do what's right for the realm and fight the night king as promised, season 1 Jamie would never have left Cersai in order to fight a losing battle.
It's why his "I was always a bad man" turn in episode 4 was so disappointing and not believable, why did he even go to Winterfell in the first place if Cersai is everything he wanted at any cost, if anything that character turn needed much more time to develop.
What I dont like are the comparisons with the mad king. Its heavily hinted that the mad king was crazy only because he was tortured/poisoned. Danny is just crazy because she's a woman giving into her impulses. :/
New school character development, when a character stops wearing foundation it's a clear sign that person has gone mad.
Or maybe Euron survived and teleports in to claim the throne after everyone kills themselves trying to solve the Dany problem.
The twist wasn't telegraphed because it made no sense for her to snap and murder everyone in King's Landing. Dany is a terrible character now and Cersei was never as bad.
I expected it because I read the leaks and as soon as the fire started, I literally yelled out loud are you fucking kidding me. There was no way this character earned what she did. It's shit writing and ruins the show for me.
A minor thing, but I thought it was quite funny that, in a show that has people, armies, and fleets teleporting across continents to exactly the time and place they want, that Jaime couldn't make it through that gate before it shut.
Holy shit I hate him. No way lol. I would punch my TV if this happened. Haha.
I was hoping Rey was on the other side of those rocks so she could move them.
Oh, by the way, I'm totally rooting for Dany now. It would be the ultimate "shocking twist" if, after this week's episode, they just crown her anyway. It's the one thing no one expects, so that makes it the perfect ending by the show's own standards now.
"I will take what is mine with fire and blood and then I will set all of it on fire."
Just because she said so directly in the terribly written episode doesn't mean that it's in keeping with any of her previously stated values.
Better keep her away from the nukes during that time of the month, am I right!
How come it's just accepted that Dany got the craaaaaazy Targaryen gene and Jon is totally fine?
I never loved dany either. She still was never portrayed to be anything like this.
Maybe they're accepting their own futility as well. And merely discussing the merits and faults of something they enjoy, or used to enjoy.
Two things about posts like yours:
1. You contribute nothing to the thread, only disparaging people having a conversation about their hobbies. To feel superior, i guess.
2. I'm leaning more and more into the belief that the most outraged people on the internet are those that label everyone else as outraged.
But please carry on with your indignation.
except when she has always had a god complex and all her good ideas are her advisers telling her what to do.
she was a fragile person who only knew that she is the rightful ruler and everyone should love her because she is their rightful ruler.
she was psycho from the beginning. she would have been more tyranical early on if it wasnt for tyrion, the dude that loved her, etc.
Thats another thing thats driving me nuts. Everyone is talking about how insanity was passed on through genetics but the mad king went mad due to being poisoned. But then again nothing about this writing makes sense so. Maybe she just forgot that insanity wasn't hereditary
She really wasnt. Thats revisionist history and selectively choosing which parts of her life to use to support this end while ignoring the many, MANY more instances of her being good and refraining from being tyrannical.
Not surprised. I saw a post about a week ago that was trying to draw parallels between Gamergate and book fans who are unhappy with the show. Yeah, no.
That's a very good question. Another is why he isn't immune to dragon fire. I think it's odd that everything Dany says is taken at face value with no look at what her actions vs words vs reactions are to situations. I saw this development coming and it was of no surprise to me, if very rushed. That time of the month comment is pretty crass.
The thing is that both the show and the books have been pounding it into our heads forever that Jon is important, so I think it's understandable that people wanted Jon to have something to do with defeating the Night King, even if it was just intentionally keeping Viserion distracted so that Arya could slip into the Godswood.
"I've built my entire rebellion from the ground up, for literally years, freeing thousands upon thousands of slaves even when sometimes it was harder to do. Right on the brink of a successful pillage- the penultimate one if you will- I decide to slaughter thousands of innocents in a passing tiff."
Jon is a fantastic charismatic leader despite his reluctance and competent soldier, but he's not an adept combat strategist and the Night King knew he was a threat and kept him out of arms reach. I wanted to see Jon fight him too, but the moment NK raised the dead of Winterfell I was like 'yeah...not happening'
Someone called me Hitler because I said i didnt like the episode!
I actually liked this episode a lot. It was painful to watch, but I was legitimately surprised by the ending.
Call me naive, but I almost took for granted that Daenerys would stop short of becoming a "mad queen". Looking back on things, though, there were signs that I definitely missed. The person who came back from the Dosh Khaleen was very different, and not in a good way. We've been conditioned for so long to like and root for Dany, so I chalked it up to her just getting stronger and harder, but the truth is that the kindness that drove her to end slavery in Essos was all but gone. The things that would have made her a good ruler were quickly melting away, leaving only a ruthless conqueror.
In Westeros, the degradation of her mental state accelerated. Although she had been conditioned by her brother at a very young age to consider Westeros "home", it only existed in her mind as a concept. When she finally got there, she found herself as a foreigner in a foreign land. Whereas she had been loved as the "breaker of chains" in Eastern Essos, she found no such adoration in Westeros. Despite how horribly Cercei had ruled, she was still seen as a foreign conqueror.
Where is "home" for Daenerys? A better question is 'where was it'? Home was sleeping under the stars in the Dothraki Grass Sea next to her Sun and Stars, Khal Drogo. Home was the endless horseback rides listening to Ser Jorah's wise council and stories about the West. Home was confiding in her sweat servant Missandei at the top of the Great Masters' Pyramid in Mereen. These places were certainly not always ideal, but she knew who she was and where she was going. Maybe that's what "home" is? Now, though, does Daenerys have a home? Does she belong in this world that she's fought so hard to help create?
And then, there's all the losses. First it was Viserion. Then came Jorah. She essentially lost Jon after he discovered his true parentage. Then came Rhaegal, and finally, Missandei. Everyone she had grown close to since the beginning of her journey was simply gone. All that's left for her is to take what she seen as her birthright for so many years: the Iron Throne. And now, even that is slipping away due to the beloved Jon Snow having a better claim. Does she even remember why she wants that throne? The Daenerys who crossed the Red Waste with her Khalesar would have said she wanted to free her people from the Usurper's unjust rule, but that naive, optimistic, kindhearted, intelligent girl who, despite all she had already suffered, still knew how to trust and love, is all but gone. All that is left now is the pain and the hatred.
Call me naive, but I almost took for granted that Daenerys would stop short of becoming a "mad queen". Looking back on things, though, there were signs that I definitely missed. The person who came back from the Dosh Khaleen was very different, and not in a good way. We've been conditioned for so long to like and root for Dany, so I chalked it up to her just getting stronger and harder, but the truth is that the kindness that drove her to end slavery in Essos was all but gone. The things that would have made her a good ruler were quickly melting away, leaving only a ruthless conqueror.
In Westeros, the degradation of her mental state accelerated. Although she had been conditioned by her brother at a very young age to consider Westeros "home", it only existed in her mind as a concept. When she finally got there, she found herself as a foreigner in a foreign land. Whereas she had been loved as the "breaker of chains" in Eastern Essos, she found no such adoration in Westeros. Despite how horribly Cercei had ruled, she was still seen as a foreign conqueror.
Where is "home" for Daenerys? A better question is 'where was it'? Home was sleeping under the stars in the Dothraki Grass Sea next to her Sun and Stars, Khal Drogo. Home was the endless horseback rides listening to Ser Jorah's wise council and stories about the West. Home was confiding in her sweat servant Missandei at the top of the Great Masters' Pyramid in Mereen. These places were certainly not always ideal, but she knew who she was and where she was going. Maybe that's what "home" is? Now, though, does Daenerys have a home? Does she belong in this world that she's fought so hard to help create?
And then, there's all the losses. First it was Viserion. Then came Jorah. She essentially lost Jon after he discovered his true parentage. Then came Rhaegal, and finally, Missandei. Everyone she had grown close to since the beginning of her journey was simply gone. All that's left for her is to take what she seen as her birthright for so many years: the Iron Throne. And now, even that is slipping away due to the beloved Jon Snow having a better claim. Does she even remember why she wants that throne? The Daenerys who crossed the Red Waste with her Khalesar would have said she wanted to free her people from the Usurper's unjust rule, but that naive, optimistic, kindhearted, intelligent girl who, despite all she had already suffered, still knew how to trust and love, is all but gone. All that is left now is the pain and the hatred.
So how can I feel superior while highlighting my own futile existence?
He isn't a redeemable character. He has always been awful. Everytime he defended a vicious ruler like Cersei which he knows to be a fucking monster just highlights this point even more. That's why he went to try to save her, between doing the right thing and Cersei he always chose her, his actions in the last episode were consistent with his character. Do you remember why he killed the mad king? Cersei did the what he tried to do and Jamie got her pregnant as a reward.
