Yep. The episode was just fine and awesome. Just enjoy the ride, Daenerys style.Episode was way better than 1, 3 and 4. No idea what this is about.
lol at all the peeps here. Just wait for the books to fini...
nvmnd.
Yep. The episode was just fine and awesome. Just enjoy the ride, Daenerys style.Episode was way better than 1, 3 and 4. No idea what this is about.
that happened in season 5 on thoUhh E5 dumpsters multiple major characters in the most unsatisfying way possible. It doesn't matter how good the Michael Bay style theatrics are if you fuck up that many seasons of story.
Where did I say anything about people being polite about it? Some are being complete assholes even, especially a lot of the personally attacking D&D shit, but there's also a lot of people basically saying "the show is fine, shut up crying" like it adds literally anything to the conversation, they are the only ones that bother me, I don't care if you like the show and have no interest in changing those that are enjoying it's mind. I have no issue with people who are liking it arguing why it's good that they did this or that (not actually seen any arguments though, just the "it's enjoyable still", which I'm whatever about).Conversely, there are people not so subtly expressing their disdain for people who dare to say they enjoy the show or actually discuss the characters with snide comments about justifying shit writing when the poster was discussing within the context of what the show has presented, or trying to shut down such discussion by telling them that there's nothing worth discussing, or even straight up insulting them by stating their taste is the bottom denominator or generic blockbuster crowd. Oh yeah, it's just the people who like the show that can't stand others not enjoying it huh? The critics are just politely and calmly expressing their disappointment and problems with the show.
Because nailing the ending is perceived by many to be more important than some shoddy episodes/story beats 60-70% through the overall story. The entertaining spectacle and a couple of character moments are there, the satisfying, narratively sound decade-in-the-making conclusions to most people's favourite characters story arcs are not.It just feels like dogpiling at this point. There's no way in hell 5 is worse than 4. 8.4 deserves the mantle alongside 20 good men. 8.5 fucked the Lannister/Euron arcs but was amazing spectacle, Emilia's best acting, and overall above average for this show.
I don't see how anyone really thinks this is the worst out of 70+ episodes. It's hard to see this as anything but people wanting to pile on, even granting the glaring flaws.
again I don't see why people are blaming season 8 for this when the actual problem is they fucked up seasons 5-7. Dany's heel turn wouldn't seem so rushed if they didn't spend so much time making her seem like someone you could name your daughter after for no reason. The Long Night wouldn't have been so anticlimactic if they didn't create this menacing snow voldemort so Arya would have someone to stab. euron would in general suck less if they didn't decide to write out the iron born until they realized they needed an iron fleet.Because nailing the ending is perceived by many to be more important than some shoddy episodes/story beats 60-70% through the overall story. The emtertaining spectacle and a couple of character moments are there, the satisfying, narratively sound decade-in-the-making conclusions to most people's favourite characters story arcs are not.
The Dexter ending, I see.I will only accept the ending if Jon escapes to the North and becomes a lumberjack.
Dany just got pissed at her dark brown eyebrows and burned everyone alive.
Sure, but that episode was not the worst in the ENTIRE SERIES. No way in hell. Reviewers are pissed at S8 as a whole and just tanking each episode no matter if it's actually good on its own or not.
There are quite a number of posts detailing what they liked and disliked and thought was done well or not, and they either get ignored or get responses to the tune of 'stop trying to analyze anything, it's worthless because the writing is shit' as if that adds anything of substance at all, or are told they're just looking for reasons to justify bad writing. Respond with reasons why you think a particular decision was logical or justified and you get told you have no idea what you are talking about or get a vehement rebuttal attempting to prove you wrong about your own interpretation, why? Because shit writing, your opinion is invalid and worthless. It isn't that people are dissatisfied that irks me, it's this underlying narrative that anyone who hasn't got some reservation with the show is a plebeian peasant with shit taste not worth including in the discussion. I don't think dismissing criticism adds anything either, but it's more than just people trying to shut up critics, is what I'm saying.Where did I say anything about people being polite about it? Some are being complete assholes even, especially a lot of the personally attacking D&D shit, but there's also a lot of people basically saying "the show is fine, shut up crying" like it adds literally anything to the conversation, they are the only ones that bother me, I don't care if you like the show and have no interest in changing those that are enjoying it's mind. I have no issue with people who are liking it arguing why it's good that they did this or that (not actually seen any arguments though, just the "it's enjoyable still", which I'm whatever about).
Because, again, nailing the ending just often feels more important than what got you to the ending. Plenty of narratives that have their ups and downs throughout the story that can still absolutely nail the ending and perhaps make the whole seem better than it actually was.again I don't see why people are blaming season 8 for this when the actual problem is they fucked up seasons 5-7. Dany's heel turn wouldn't seem so rushed if they didn't spend so much time making her seem like someone you could name your daughter after for no reason. The Long Night wouldn't have been so anticlimactic if they didn't create this menacing snow voldemort so Arya would have someone to stab. euron would in general suck less if they didn't decide to write out the iron born until they realized they needed an iron fleet.
Show Dany has pretty much nothing in her past indicating she'd be capable of this level of out of control slaughter-madness. She's been set up as someone flawed who occasionally doesn't make the best choices & maybe goes a bit overboard with how she deals with her political opponents but still ultimately wants what's best for especially the suffering masses and whatever arguably cruel things she does, those are her playing the political game in a system where other people would do the same to her if they could or were in her position. Nothing in the show that Dany herself has done has implied that she has the madness in her or that she is capable of snapping so badly that she'd go on a killing spree of tens or hundreds of thousands of civilians, other than OTHER PEOPLE throwing shade at her and reminding us of the "crazy gene" in Targaryens.Episode 5 was a fucking masterpiece compared to episode 4.
Dany was always going to go Mad Queen and from what I've heard from people who read the books, they've been expecting it to happen there too. The way the botched the lead up to it was the worse but almost all of that was due to episode 4. The only thing episode 5 did wrong in that regard was having the final point be Jon not wanting to fuck his aunt.
again I don't see why people are blaming season 8 for this when the actual problem is they fucked up seasons 5-7. Dany's heel turn wouldn't seem so rushed if they didn't spend so much time making her seem like someone you could name your daughter after for no reason. The Long Night wouldn't have been so anticlimactic if they didn't create this menacing snow voldemort so Arya would have someone to stab. euron would in general suck less if they didn't decide to write out the iron born until they realized they needed an iron fleet.
That's a very good question. Another is why he isn't immune to dragon fire. I think it's odd that everything Dany says is taken at face value with no look at what her actions vs words vs reactions are to situations. I saw this development coming and it was of no surprise to me, if very rushed. That time of the month comment is pretty crass.
visually speaking ep.5 is the best thing anyone ever has produced for TV. and this is amazing seeing how great battle of the bastards, long knight or spoils of war looked
We agree there. I think it was rushed and needed more episodes to sink in and show the descent. Not every post has to be a standoff argument.So is the characterization as presented in the show or the implication that hereditary illness is inescapable, but oh well!
Anyone with common sense could see that Dany was eventually going to be the "villain." We just didn't expect it to be handled like a mustache twirling cartoon character. The entire purpose of her character was to make the descent into darkness reasonable in a way that gives the viewer pause.
Here it's just played as a crazy screaming lady having her crazy lady hysterics again!
Yep.So is the characterization as presented in the show or the implication that hereditary illness is inescapable, but oh well!
Anyone with common sense could see that Dany was eventually going to be the "villain." We just didn't expect it to be handled like a mustache twirling cartoon character. The entire purpose of her character was to make the descent into darkness reasonable in a way that gives the viewer pause.
Here it's just played as a crazy screaming lady having her crazy lady hysterics again!
We agree there. I think it was rushed and needed more episodes to sink in and show the descent. Not every post has to be a standoff argument.
How about you not make strawmen out of my posts? I explain my view of her character within what the show has shown of her. I haven't once told someone they were too stupid to understand it, so you can stop shoving words into my mouth. It's rushed, but I can see what the general direction of her character was despite the huge leap made to get her into mass murder mode. I also fail to see the relevance of bringing in periods as a parallel to the Targaryen 50 50 coin saying which applied to her father as well. I agree the depiction of her has not been free of criticism from a sexism angle, but what the fuck are you trying to accomplish by accusing me of excusing it? You seem to be wanting to attack me directly underneath any pretense of discussion so out with it, what's your problem?Your approach to this entire thread has been to outright suggest that people who don't think the characterization is good are in some way too stupid to understand what you said is obviously there in the show -- yet now you admit that the necessary arc to make it work wasn't really there, even if Dany basically said her motivations directly into camera (great writing) -- and you call me crass for pointing out the rather sexist framing of the character in the show as being too unreasonable and irrational to turn away from this inevitable path, yet I'm being combative?
If the point you've been trying to make in this thread is that Dany as a character as envisioned by GRRM was always going to be what we might classify as villainous, but that it was not fully executed on at all as she's presented in the show, I really don't think I'm the only person who missed that nuance in your argument.
I just wish all those fans who are suddenly pissed off now, could have been annoyed when the show actually started sliding in season 5. Maybe we could have gotten something better if the feedback was there early. It probably wouldn't have made much of a difference though.
Sansa's rape was actually one of the few things fans did get angry about and the feedback was taken on board by D&D. Personally, I'd say the writing in season 5 was offensive in general and wouldn't single out a specific moment.To be fair, I stopped watching after season 5 and never looked back. I haven't even seen any GOT since then. Sansa's rape as character development for what's his face was the final straw for me.
Sansa's rape was actually one of the few things fans did get angry about and the feedback was taken on board by D&D. Personally, I'd say the writing in season 5 was offensive in general and wouldn't single out a specific moment.
How about you not make strawmen out of my posts? I explain my view of her character within what the show has shown of her. I haven't once told someone they were too stupid to understand it, so you can stop shoving words into my mouth. It's rushed, but I can see what the general direction of her character was despite the huge leap made to get her into mass murder mode. I also fail to see the relevance of bringing in periods as a parallel to the Targaryen 50 50 coin saying which applied to her father as well. I agree the depiction of her has not been free of criticism from a sexism angle, but what the fuck are you trying to accomplish by accusing me of excusing it? You seem to be wanting to attack me directly underneath any pretense of discussion so out with it, what's your problem?
I just wish all those fans who are suddenly pissed off now, could have been annoyed when the show actually started sliding in season 5. Maybe we could have gotten something better if the feedback was there early. It probably wouldn't have made much of a difference though.
6 had some issues but was still pretty good. 7 had a lot of problems IMO (the two biggest is Jaime falling into the 400 feet puddle, and the entire dumb as fuck plan to get the wight).. 8 has legitimately terrible writing in every episode. I thought episode 1 was solid.I just wonder what triggered the downfall since there has been some real stinker episodes in seasons 6-7.
That poster also took it that way and I clarified in my response I meant she said it in the episode. My intent wasn't to imply they were stupid, but I agree it comes off that way. Thank you for explaining and yeah my early posts were definitely charged with hostility that needn't have been.You're reading a lot into my posts for someone who is accusing me of doing the same. You said "it isn't that hard to understand or see" why Dany behaves this way which does in fact imply that anyone who disagrees isn't very smart. Unless there's some other way to take that? If someone were to find something hard to understand, that would imply things about their intelligence, I would think.
Your tone in this thread struck me as rather antagonistic, at least early one, and your justification that Dany is just a crazy person so her acting wildly out of character comes down to how crazy she is excuses the show's lazy ableism and sexism while also belittling people who would criticize it for the same. I responded in line with what I perceived as your original tone and was called crass and aggressive.
I have nothing against you personally at all.
I just don't think your attempts to shame me for my tone are at all in keeping with the original posts that tone was used in response to. If I somehow misread your intention, so did many others in the thread, as evidenced by several responses to you. I'm not sure why my bringing up menstruation has left me singled out as somehow having a personal vendetta against you. I assure you that I don't and if it has come across that way I actually do apologize because that's probably unnerving and weird. I have nothing against you personally; I honestly don't recognize you as a poster outside this thread. (I'm very bad with names.)
I just disagree with you about a TV character whose framing I think does in fact make use of a great many incredibly sexist tropes including the implication that you just can't trust women in positions of power who will easily lose their mind once a month. Your defense that you can't expect her to behave rationally because she is a crazy lady who's gonna be crazy without the men she needs to keep her emotions in check was very evocative of precisely that. But D&D are the ones whose terrible writing leads to, in my opinion, terrible defenses that sound a lot like classic sexism, but I blame them for that. Not you.
This.Cause it sucked. Visually it was amazing but everything else was just shit.
6 had some issues but was still pretty good. 7 had a lot of problems IMO (the two biggest is Jaime falling into the 400 feet puddle, and the entire dumb as fuck plan to get the wight).. 8 has legitimately terrible writing in every episode. I thought episode 1 was solid.
It is interesting since from the group of friends that we discuss, 6/7 are really disappointed to levels of thinking it's awful, but my one buddy enjoys it. He asked me why I didn't in our group chat, but I didn't want to go on a long rant to explain everything and let the man enjoy it, unlike on era lol
Yeah, seems that way. The amount of people dog piling on the show and popping up saying how rubbish it etc gives the vibe that they're doing it to be edgy and trendy.... "GOT? That's so 2017, it's shit now".... Think we need to wait a while, reflect and then judge the show end to end.Shows ending so shitting on it gets clicks. It's cool to be on the GoT hate train now.
Yeah, seems that way. The amount of people dog piling on the show and popping up saying how rubbish it etc gives the vibe that they're doing it to be edgy and trendy.... "GOT? That's so 2017, it's shit now".... Think we need to wait a while, reflect and then judge the show end to end.
That being said, the show ain't perfect by a long stretch, but for the most part the show is entertaining me and that's all I want and expect from it.
Season 6 was one of the best in the series, though.I just wish all those fans who are suddenly pissed off now, could have been annoyed when the show actually started sliding in season 5. Maybe we could have gotten something better if the feedback was there early. It probably wouldn't have made much of a difference though.
So if they like it they are wrong?I feel really bad for the huge fans who followed this show so closely for so long and aren't able to let the production values dazzle them into thinking this season has been anything but garbage writing quality. The elements and even the plot points are all there. The showrunners just utterly failed to provide the connective tissue to make the plot points function properly. It's like watching a sports team forget how to play in the last seconds of a championship game. Tragic.
A lot of people i know didnt sour on this season until this episode. They tolerated the rushed nature up until then. Nothings been earned
Technically speaking, this episode was better than the fourth episode. Sapochnik directed a horror masterpiece that was aided with brilliant music and outstanding acting (with a special mention to Emilia Clarke). But the script failed absolutely everyone and collapsed any chance of the ending being anywhere near as satisfactory as people hoped. So I can see why it is being dragged. Poor Sapochnik and Djawadi though.
I don't watch game of thrones, and it's seriously unlikely I ever will, it just doesn't appeal to me.
Could someone give me a rundown on why people are so riled up about the final season?
Ostensibly they have taken years and years of character growth and shit up down the pipe for the sake of nothing.I don't watch game of thrones, and it's seriously unlikely I ever will, it just doesn't appeal to me.
Could someone give me a rundown on why people are so riled up about the final season?
And massively this tooThe big problem is that the writers have decided to rush to the finish line at the fastest pace possible even though HBO told them they could have as many episodes or seasons as they needed to finish the story. But they insisted they only needed 7 episodes for season 7 and 6 episodes for season 8. As a result, we end up with things like the show's biggest and most important storyline being resolved in a single anticlimactic episode or a major character undergoing at least a full season's worth of controversial character development in the span of two episodes.
why didn't they just have her land the dragon in a town square after the surrender, her thinking the people of the town would celebrate their new queen...
Just to have the people try to kill her and throw rocks and arrows....
now destroy city
writing a believable transition isn't that fucking hard and would have taken no more than two minutes on screen.
So basically, the writers can't into original content, and the show went down the drain?
So basically, the writers can't into original content, and the show went down the drain?
So basically, the writers can't into original content, and the show went down the drain?