-
Ever wanted an RSS feed of all your favorite gaming news sites? Go check out our new Gaming Headlines feed! Read more about it here.
The Phawx - GPD Win Max - What We Know So Far (Ryzen V1605B, Clickable Sticks + More)
- Thread starter Dancrane212
- Start date
Love my GPD Win 2 and didn't even realize this was a thing. I'll definitely be keeping an eye on this. Thanks for posting!
OP
OP
I'm still rolling with the first Win so I'm pretty curious to see how this pans out as well.
I was under then impression that the Win 2 was already pretty strong, is this Ryzen Vega chip that much better?
The win 2 is strong and you can do amazing things if you are willing to tinker deep into game settings. But that means you will have some trade offs. This means a lot less trade offs and a lot less tinkering.
I really hope that the rumors that it will have a form factor more in line with the Switch are also true. Much of my interest in the GPD Win line was greatly diminished by what seems to be terrible ergonomics in prioritizing the full qwerty keyboard and cramming the actual controller elements all the way to the top. I get that they want to maintain full Windows compatibility, but it seems to me that the primary use case for a machine like this would be for controller-based games. The Android-based ones were marginally better on this front, but what I really want is a Switch-like form factor that plays Steam games.
So this should hopefully be representitive of what a potential Switch Pro will be in terms of performance?
15W TDP including GPU (from what I can tell) is pretty modest though.
My biggest question is cost. The GPD Win was pretty inexpensive, but as GPD releases newer models of product (the Win 2, the Pocket and Pocket 2), the prices keep shooting up. If they're looking to sell for more than the $700-$800 they're charging now, there's no chance I'll buy. (Honestly, I wouldn't consider buying unless the price is <$500, but the odds of that is pretty much zero).
"a lot less tinkering" is exactly what i want out of these devices
keeping an eye on this
Well to be fair this exist unlike the smach z, unless something has changed in the last few months
Yeah the Win form factor is not the best. Putting all the weight at the bottom makes his unweldy for long gaming bouts, and the keys are almost too tiny to be functional. At least for my hands
I feel you on that, more power to those that enjoy it. But it usually ain't my bag.
The battery is HUGE. multiply your estimate
Think of a Switch with 1 joycon attached and you know how wide the Win Max is
OP
OP
Wow. I knew it'd be larger going off your first video but I never did the math to figure out the measurements. That's a big step up what I was expecting.
Last edited:
I asked the CEO of GPD a month or so ago about the R1000 series and he told me at the time there was no detailed specs published so it was far too soon to look at it, they had already put a lot of work into the V1605b and GPD does not like using brand new chips on the market as they frequently have undocumented problems that will show up and they'd rather have other companies run into them first.
Besides the R1606G isn't exactly a improvement if you're looking for more gaming performance.
The R1606G has 3 compute units, 1MB L2 cache, 2 cores/4 threads and 1.2ghz GPU freq.
The V1605B has 8 compute units, 2MB L2 cache, 4 cores/8 threads and a 1.1ghz GPU clock.
The R series has a slightly higher GPU clock speed but half the amount of cores and threads, half the L2 cache and less than half the amount of GPU CU's.
Gaming laptops have an even better battery, and we all know how long these last.
(Yeah, I know, discrete GPU has a bigger power footprint)
I love my win. When I can play killer instinct without issues on A gpd portable I'm set for life.
OP
OP
I don't play it as much now that I don't have a commute but yeah, the library on the machine (even my low-powered original) is hard to top.
Definitely keeping an eye on all this. Should I expect more info soon, or is this a "see you in 2020" type product?
I remember that with the Win 2 they upped the price of the win 2 because intel upped the prices on their atom line at the last minute. Ryzen might actually be cheaper for them. Who knows?
Part 3
OP
OP
Ice lake is a complete left-field for this. Wow. I'd be interested to know why they were going that route instead of a Zen 2 APU of some kind.
Because Zen 2 isn't available yet, at least in in ulp packages.
Possibly also because all their previous experience has been with Intel chips. They may have had problems with bring ups and quirks of an and device.
I had figured that was part of the delays - waiting for the next gen chips. I'm not buying any of these this year anyway, but it definitely came as a surprise. I'd assumred we'd have a split where the Max was on Zen+ or Zen 2 stuff, and the Win 3 would be on TGL-Y.
oh man
I would love to see what GPD could do with the new 4800U mobile chip
EDIT : So that part 3 vid says they are opting for Icy Lake for GPU
Bleh. Im sure it will be good but was hoping for a unified Ryzen/AMD setup
I would love to see what GPD could do with the new 4800U mobile chip
EDIT : So that part 3 vid says they are opting for Icy Lake for GPU
Bleh. Im sure it will be good but was hoping for a unified Ryzen/AMD setup
This is pretty much the situation.
GPD had a lot of problems with the v1605b, and they couldn't get something else like the 2500U. Intel now have a comparable chip that can be used to develop the Max very quickly so they changed course.
By the way, benchmarks that haven't been posted here - Win 2 (TDP Unknown) vs Win Max (TDP Unknown). Should probably be taken as a guide right now than fact.
Last edited:
On the one hand, Ice Lake will probably perform better than the first gen Ryzen chip they were using previously. On the other hand, this probably cements a very expensive price tag. I wouldn't be too surprised if this thing starts at $900.
Introducing The GPD Win Max
OP
OP
That form factor continues to be a non-starter for me. I get that they pitch it as a fully functional computer, but for gaming purposes, devoting that much real estate to the keyboard at the expense of a more ergonomic gamepad is backwards to what I would look for in this type of device.
Same, I really just want a Switch running PC games. For everything in Windows that needs it I can use the on-screen keyboard, but I'm not going to play anything on it that doesn't work with a controller anyway.
I was excited to buy the GPD Win 1 but my hands start to hurt after 15 minutes or so, so I'm in the same boat. Switch that plays PC games is exactly what I want.
Given the power of the nvidia single boards but them being just a bit outta the price range that makes single board pi type systems so attractive I could see them jumping in and doing well at some point for this market with a lower end model first for portable pc.