The Problems With The Epic Store (The Jimquisition)
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Topic has been beaten to death, revived, and beaten to death again. But I'll watch anywho. See if he offers any unique insights.
I went to his house and handcuffed myself to his front porch until he made this video
I find it highly unlikely that dummies online were why he made a video I'm sure he was planning on making the whole time.
Jim Sterling does not strike me as a person who cares about what people say.
Dummies bashed him.for his score on senua. He changed it. He cares more about his reputation and channel than he puts out.
I called him out at least a couple of times in this forum alone that I remember. Yes, freaking finally. Thanks, Jim.
Mediocre. We had better breakdowns of the situation on this forum. Jim doesn't say anything we don't know already and somehow throws more shades at Valve than at Epic by the end of the video (his Valve doesn't evolve shtick is fucking tiresome).
finished video, all the points about the problems with Epic are basically what everyone has been calling out, but he still messes a bunch of points up. he paints the entire thing as steam versus epic. When most PC gamers are just looking at this as fuck epic. Steam being cursory in that it was where orders were made for phoenix point and metro. The video then mentions monopoly, but again steam hasnt had a monopoly for some time. He only barely mentioned uplay and origin, which do exist and have been acting as competition. Then about steam stagnating, but steam hasn't stagnated, we just got the update for remote play outside of your home network.
He says defacto monopoly again right at the end, but again, uplay, origin, and gog galaxy exist and people arent pissed at them. The entire thing is fuck epic, not steam versus epic.
He says defacto monopoly again right at the end, but again, uplay, origin, and gog galaxy exist and people arent pissed at them. The entire thing is fuck epic, not steam versus epic.
If he cared that much, I’m not sure why he did it for that game and not BOTW. He made lifelong enemies with that score lol.
That aside. This video seems tame for him.
yeah this was pretty weak for a jimquisition
he also uses the modern warfare 2 boycott jpeg, which is a real pet peeve of mine
This dude, who has based his entire brand off fighting for the consumer, literally defends, what he even describes as, anti-consumer practices in buying up exclusives by saying "it works."
So, does every basically other thing Jim rails on in virtually every single video he makes, but, this time it's excusable because it's effective?
So, does every basically other thing Jim rails on in virtually every single video he makes, but, this time it's excusable because it's effective?
I'm shocked that he finally did a video.
I'm not shocked that he spent most of it either shitting on Valve or damage controlling for Epic.
I'm not shocked that he spent most of it either shitting on Valve or damage controlling for Epic.
I keep seeing "better for devs". Isn't it only better for devs that self publish? Won't the publishers see the net gain between this and the moneyhats?
Is that the screenshot showing the majority of people in the boycott group didn't buy/play MW2? ;)
Valid points raised in the video, many that have been posted hundreds of times on here for months on end.
But at the same time....
He’s just pandering to the people that criticise him literally. Every. Single. Week. for pandering.
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But at the same time....
He’s just pandering to the people that criticise him literally. Every. Single. Week. for pandering.
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That MW2 boycott screen shot is the reason I never take anyone who says they're boycotting something seriously. It's very easy to come across as the principled moral guardian on a gaming forum but I wonder how many of these people actually follow through with there 'boycotts'?
Not many I reckon.
Not many I reckon.
Yeah, he basically summed up my view of the situation. I don't share the same doom-and-gloom outlook that many on here seem to have regarding Epic's Store but I do recognise that there are problems with the store and with Epic's approach to entering the market. People should be sceptical and people are allowed to be pissed off, especially in response to what happened with Metro and Phoenix Point, but some of the concerns seem to be a bit overblown to me.
He doesn't defend it, he's just stating a fact. He isn't saying "it's good because it works", he's saying "it works, whether you think it's good or not".
I think many people on this forum could have done it better without feeling the need to shit on Valve, as described by many of the posts already in this thread.
Are you serious? That screenshot shows that only a minority of the boycott group was playing MW2. How on earth does this prove that "not many" people actually follow through with there boycotts?
I continued to watch this, and I'm suprised by just who shallow his analysis is.
It seemed ment to be from the customer perspective, but is really nothing but from perspective of the devs and publishers, he cannot let go of the "the Epic launcher is not a large download" argument, and he talks about Obsidian doing their math behind their decision, that seems to be anything but their decision, but rather the publisher.
It seemed ment to be from the customer perspective, but is really nothing but from perspective of the devs and publishers, he cannot let go of the "the Epic launcher is not a large download" argument, and he talks about Obsidian doing their math behind their decision, that seems to be anything but their decision, but rather the publisher.
I think most small indies these days do self-publish. But yeah, for those who don't, the publishers will get that money and whether the devs see any of it or not is likely going to depend on what kind of agreements and contracts were made between them and the publisher.
We already have threads, especially the one by GhostTrick, that are leagues better than this.
Well that screenshot show ~20 of 600 players and 10 playing something else. But conveniently crops out that 570 players out.
That seems to have worked extremely well. Screenshot is just manipulation to make you think it didn't and it works.
Of course 600 players isn't that many in grand scale.
See, this is what I'm talking about.
That screen shot doesn't mean anything, and here I am wasting my time again to explain why.
The way steam groups work is that they sort the people currently playing games to the top of the list. This is so that you can see what people in the group are playing and jump into a game with them. This means that when you looked at the MW2 boycott Steam group around the MW2 release, all of the members that are playing MW2 are sorted to the top. There are 17 pages worth of group members in that boycott group, and even if only 1-2% of boycotters caved and bought the game, they would all be sorted to the front and show up on that page in exactly that way.
Maybe everybody in that group bought modern warfare 2, maybe only a few members did. Either way, that screenshot doesn't say anything about whether the MW2 boycott group was hypocritical or not.
that screenshot is demonstrative of nothing. the boycott group had a few dozen pages and anyone in-game would get sorted to the top of the list, so you're looking at a few dozen people playing MW2 in a group with thousands of members. there's also the fact that the CoD playerbase on PC completely fell off a cliff after MW1, and while you can't say that's because of the boycott you also can't say that it completely failed either.
I never said it proves anything. I just think it's very likely most people blow hot air on here and then pop along to the Epic store to buy Metro.
The way Steam groups work appear to be a true mystery to some people, Jim included. Hahaha
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He's looking at the long-term effects this might have on the industry and in that context, he's musing about whether becoming an Epic exclusive is going to hurt your sales to the point where it's no longer worth it. Because, obviously, in that case developers and publishers would start becoming wary of signing these exclusive deals which means Epic would have trouble finding new exclusives for their store. But because so many developers and publishers keep signing these deals (and Metro seems to have done just fine), it appears as if, at least for now, they still think it's worth it.
Not to mention, even if you take that screenshot at face value, it is almost 10 years old! There are a lot of more games to choose from now.
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I mean, he doesn't say that to defend it. He says that it's anti-consumer, but that it's effective for what Epic is doing. I certainly didn't take that as any sort of defense of the practice by him, just an acknowledgement that Epic is doing it for a reason.
Nah bro the screenshot clearly ends the whole conversation on any boycott ever, just give up and go home, it's dumb to care about things
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The only thing I can think of would be the shitstorm that got Microsoft to reverse on their all-digital strategy for Xbone. But that wasn't exactly a boycott. Pre-emptive boycott, maybe :p?
if we're just making things up from whole cloth then i think it's very likely you're secretly tim sweeny and personally bought 75% of the copies of metro sold on EGS to boost the numbers
They have a guaranteed revenue for their games, with Epic offering that despite sales, Of course it's worth it.
Saw the full video, and he continues to avoid legitimate concerns from customer perspective. There's really not anything new in this video, that hasn't already been covered in multiple threads here. No fresh perspective, no deep analysis, nothing but repeats.