The progressive blowback against the term “cancel culture”

Khrn

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Oct 27, 2017
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This thread kind of reads like a bunch of people venting that minorities and other people just looking for accountability are being too uppitity when someone does something racist, sexist, homophobic, etc.

The only thing I’ve gleamed from this thread is to never bother using the term cancel cause it means something so vastly different to different people.
Recently, I got mad at a famous person exposed as a predator. I called him out (knowing he'd never read my tweet), shared it with friends, and said I'd never support him.

Except that all of this can end up hurting minorities more than I thought of. And I didn't even think of that as a minority myself. A lot of times, the abused are minorities working for the abuser. They can lose jobs, it might be hard to get more, etc. To me, these days, I'd prefer to give voice to what the minorities directly affected want me to do, not what I think I should do.
 

Clefargle

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Oct 25, 2017
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Conservatives had “cancel culture” of their own for decades before this. They did boycotts and fired people for being gay. They also had tax free “safe space” churches and parental warnings and broadcasting standards to inhibit cursing. They’ve had these things all along and wouldn’t you know it just so happens to be one step too far and not worth protection when their hateful ass gets fired for being bigoted enough for society to notice and rightfully call them out. Anyone who buys this argument of “cancel culture is some new bad thing” is doing the work of the Christian Right.
 
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Baji Boxer

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Oct 27, 2017
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This thread kind of reads like a bunch of people venting that minorities and other people just looking for accountability are being too uppitity when someone does something racist, sexist, homophobic, etc.

The only thing I’ve gleamed from this thread is to never bother using the term cancel cause it means something so vastly different to different people.
On the term, when certain meme terms start to get more attention, I try to drop them because of how quickly and easily they often get warped. Social media really changes the natural evolution of slang terms.
 

Fiction

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Oct 25, 2017
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Are we supposed to feel bad for expressing disapproval when that’s really the ONLY consequence some of the more unquestionably shitty out there have to face? Isn’t this “cancel culture” bitching more about privileged people being called out, for once, due to the newfound easy spread of information they used to hide?

Problem is, your reasoning could be used to ignore problematic celebrities, leaders, even issues, on the basis of “I don’t know this person.”

Sure there’s a mob mentality at play. But I think plenty of times, in truth, we as a group do indeed discover that someone clamoring for praise and attention is actually worthy of neither.
I was grabbing this video as soon as I saw the title. Sums up how I feel about it as well.
 

RedMercury

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Dec 24, 2017
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It might be a word people say now, but I bet for most of human history choosing to disassociate has been a thing, so this in no way should be seen as a new phenomenon or legitimized as such. There is more access to information now than previously, but then that's an entirely different conversation to have, if you believe access to information can have negative consequences.
 

Noog

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The first time I ever heard “ ___ is cancelled” was the Poppy and Titanic Sinclair situation, and I was like yeah, Titanic was emotionally abusive if not downright threatening, that makes sense that we wouldn’t support him.

But of course it’s turned into digging through celebrity tweets from 2011 to find a shitty joke they made in college or whatever.

I don’t think cancel culture is the “threat” that right wingers want us to think it is, but it’s probably used too loosely by twitter lol
 

RedMercury

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But of course it’s turned into digging through celebrity tweets from 2011 to find a shitty joke they made in college or whatever.
With abundant access to information it allows people to be held to a degree of accountability that was previously impossible. I think it's a benefit that we're shaking ourselves from complacency and are able to call attention to things that happened in the past and being able to own them and do better because of it.
 

Lundren

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Oct 27, 2017
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Close, it was actually gay black tumblr first
Ah, thanks for the info.

So white people approriated something from gay black culture and then warped it beyond belief?

Why am I not surprised?
And will happily toss it in the garbage again, once it becomes a threat.
Yeah, they like taking a "funny" word, ruining it, and then moving on to the next one without care.
 

roflwaffles

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Oct 30, 2017
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I've never took cancel culture to mean "This person is never heard of again and no longer has a career". If that's the definition go by, then I guess cancel culture doesn't exist.

I've always used Cancel Culture as the term to describe the Internets desire to cast opinions and "cancel" someone without actually knowing if they're right to do so. Look at the recent Star Wars thread about John Boyega and his supposed comments regarding calling Kelly Tran "weak minded". You had people, who clearly had read the title of the thread and nothing more, posting comments like "Fuck Boyega, I always knew he was an asshole" and "I hope his career crashes and burns after this". Over one, minor comment that anyone with half a brain could see was being misrepresented if they'd actually read the source material.

That's cancel culture to me. People falling over themselves to cast negative judgement on another person (celebrity or otherwise) without actually making sure that the person in question is actually in the wrong. People love to feel morally superior, and on the internet there's no risks to doing so. So what if they call someone an asshole and they turn out to be wrong for doing so? They can just duck out of the thread and pretend like nothing happened. It happens, so god damn frequenly on ERA. People just immediately assume the absolute worst about a person in any situation, based off incredibly narrow information, act like they're some moral arbiter, then just conveniently vanish when it turns out their assumptions were wrong.
Can we pin this to the top of every "cancel" thread?