This chapter was key. Looks like Ray and Norman's roles are definitely reversed comparing to the first arc.
I really wonder if Norman got over his love for Emma. That was his main drive to fulfill her request of finding a way to save everyone.
I noticed the same, now Ray supports Emma while Normal is the opposite character, the experience in the new Lambda farm must have been tramatizing for him. Besides, even though what he says it's perfectly natural and understandable, I don't know why I can't completely support his ideas - either it's because of Emma, or because there is such a dissonance with the previous Norman, much more evident for me who basically started tor ead the manga last month.
Besides, even though what he says it's perfectly natural and understandable, I don't know why I can't completely support his ideas - either it's because of Emma, or because there is such a dissonance with the previous Norman, much more evident for me who basically started tor ead the manga last month.
Those people are pretty dumb then because it's been in line with how she's been written.I love it so much that people are annoyed by Emma. Weebs out there have such a hard time with characters that don't do exactly what they want them to do. I've seen people literally whine about how "her writing is wrong" now.
Great chapter.
Is there an official explanation? Is this some trick that appears often in Japanese obstacle course style shows (like Ninja Warrior) that they didn't feel the need to explain?
Those people are pretty dumb then because it's been in line with how she's been written.
Used to be indifferent towards Phil up until chapter 100 which was the chapter that finally got me to jump onto the Phil bandwagon. And yeah I feel the same way about the Goldy Pond Arc that it was good but I wasn't all that crazy about it. And strap yourself in man because your about to go on a wild ride.I finally reached chapter 100 and what a ride it has been. I wasn't feeling the Goldy Pond stuff as much as I had hoped, but it was still pretty good. Really excited to get caught up with everyone. Happy to see that the boy Phil aka the second best character in the series after Emma is back yo and this chapter was great. Nearly thought the whole chapter was just gonna be his inner monologue, but sadly not.
It's been a while since I last read the arc but if I'm remembering correctly in Goldy Pond Emma tried to talk to Lewis out of having to fight and kill one another. And if Emma was willing to spare Lewis even after all the shit he did I don't get why some people think she'd be fine with the deaths of innocent demons. Anyways I find the current conflict interesting and I would find it boring if Emma just agreed to everything Norman said and it would also be out of character for her as well.
Yup it's why some of the comments calling her childish and naive and other various things have started to annoy me more now. Feel like those people either forgot or are ignoring that aspect of her. The discussion here has been good but in other places not so much. And even though Norman is acting a bit cold I don't think he'll ever go full on dick mode. Or turn into a villain like some people have said.I just binge read the series and you are right about her trying to talk Lewis down. If people think Emma is gonna be ok with killing literally all the demons then they seriously haven't been paying attention since the beginning of the series. Girl has always said she wants to save everyone, no matter what. So the arguments happening right now are in line with her character. I'm personally enjoying this discussion and I hope they can come to some sort of compromise and the author doesn't turn Norman into a dick who will just ignore Emma's feelings.
So instead of sleeping like I should be I foolishly decided to read through some other forum threads on the latest chapter and boy was that a mistake. The amount of people questioning her intelligence, telling her to shut up, calling her a bitch, and so on is just very aggravating and appalling. Like shit some of those comments made in those other threads made DTL posts here look good in comparison. Christ and earlier this week I thought the TPN fandom was still good but I was clearly wrong. And the petty part of me wants Norman's plan to fail and Emma to succeed just to spite these assholes. Apologies for the rant it's just the rise in these kind of comments recently has really started to get on my nerves.
I'd imagine she'd get get less shit and sexist comments thrown her way if she was a guy. But yeah toxic masculinity is a thing and people would probably just call Emma a pussy instead and it would probably still be bad. It is probably just a minority of people saying that stuff but considering how vulgar and sexist some of the comments were it just riled me up man.Sometimes I wonder what the reception to Emma being the more emotional one of the trio would be like if she was a boy. Then I remember that toxic masculinity is a thing, so probably wouldn't be much better lol
TPN subreddit was fine it's just one of the other threads I decided to look at was the manga Reddit thread on the chapter and it was a dumpster fire.I don't see any bad reactions to this chapter on the Neverland subreddit, but I don't visit sites like MAL so... Chapter was great. The author does a great job with the characters.
Edit: I realized that by reading this chapter and thinking "Okay Norman has a point...Oh Emmas sounds good too, but now Norman counters too..."
From how sexist some of the comments I saw were I'd say your right about that. Just can't believe the thing that cause the first big divide in the fandom is whether genocide is bad or not.It's not like saving everyone is uncommon among male protagonists either. It's probably just sexism.
The twists and turns of this manga really bring out the big brain discussions huh?From how sexist some of the comments I saw were I'd say your right about that. Just can't believe the thing that cause the first big divide in the fandom is whether genocide is bad or not.
It most certainly does bring about the "I am very smart" people of the fandom for better or worse, mostly for the worst.The twists and turns of this manga really bring out the big brain discussions huh?
It would be way worse, you'd have more people calling male Emma a generic shounen protagonist and how this series would be better with just Norman and Ray, when a girl in manga is emotional they just pass it off as she's the girl of this series, when a male character has the same emotions and position they call him a crybaby on a bitch, kind of like how the more toxic part of the MHA fandom treats DekuSometimes I wonder what the reception to Emma being the more emotional one of the trio would be like if she was a boy. Then I remember that toxic masculinity is a thing, so probably wouldn't be much better lol
Dropped TG a while back but I'm guessing ghouls and humans somehow find a way to co exist? And like I can't blame people for being uneasy about Emma trying to find a way to co exist with the demons at first cause the solution to such an issue could end up being poorly handled. And I'll agree with what some people have been saying that we should have gotten some more chapters of Emma and the others in the demon town, so her inner conflict would have a bit more emotional weight to it. But regardless of that like I mentioned before it really does feel like people forget that Emma has never been one to go full on doom guy on the demons as seen with her and Lewis. So at this point in time I have no clue how well or poorly the situation will be handled but I have enough faith in the mangaka that they'll handle it well. And while I might not be the biggest fan of Deku now a days the number of people who still shit on him in the year of 2019 for being a cry baby is annoying.I was originally against Emma in this situation but that's because I didn't want the resolution to come out of nowhere like in TG, the fact that there's always been a way to resolve all this and it's the nobles who denied it, it makes us have one clear villain in the series which is good in this situation because I can see Norman and Emma coming to a middle groundwhere there is going to be a war but it's not going to be a genocide, the people getting mad at Emma this chapter are the worst kinds of edgelords, Emma is getting emotional because she is shown a clear way to avoid genocide and she's fighting for it, because you're supposed to avoid killing millions of Innocents.
It would be way worse, you'd have more people calling male Emma a generic shounen protagonist and how this series would be better with just Norman and Ray, when a girl in manga is emotional they just pass it off as she's the girl of this series, when a male character has the same emotions and position they call him a crybaby on a bitch, kind of like how the more toxic part of the MHA fandom treats Deku
Spoiler for how TG Re ends butDropped TG a while back but I'm guessing ghouls and humans somehow find a way to co exist?
Spoiler for how TG Re ends butit
All happens at the literal final chapter with a Time skip saying they just found a way to make artificial meat for the ghouls, which I don't remember much hints of but that could be because I tried to block out those horrible last couple arcs it had from my mind
What I was afraid of was something similar happening with the demons, that Emma just discovers a way for them to survive without eating humans but what they're doing is making it so there was already a way for them to survive without eating humans but it was kept secret with good reasons, which is much better than the former
Well said man, and I'd argue that Emma is the best female character in all of Shonen Jump. Though the bar for female characters in jump was never practically high. Will give a shoutout to Act Age and Black Clover which also handle their female casts well, and I hear World Trigger is also good in that regard. And on Norman he could be that way because of what happened to him at Lambda or it's just that puberty hit him like a truck. Do hope we get some chapters focused on Lambda some day.Emma is the central character of all the story in my opinion. The children escaped from the farm because she didn't surrender after Norman's expedition and thanks to the plan made by Norman, who wanted to save everyone despite it seemed impossible because he loved Emma; Ray survived, when he wanted to burn himself with Grace Field, thanks to Emma. Then it was thanks to Emma who tried to be friend with Musica that they got te first information about the Seven Walls (and I think that encounter will be fundamental in the ending of the story); then she strongly contributed to the liberation of Goldy Pond.
I think she's one of the best female main "central" characters of shonen manga (with central I mwan the most relavant character of the story, and undoubdtedly she is), very well characterizes. It's for this reason that despite Norman is right I don't feel to agree with him. And Emma isn't at all contradictory with what she did in the story. She killed demons and contributed to the deaths of several of them during the Goldy Pond arc, but that's completely different. One thing is kill demons to survive and which loves to ear humans, another thing is to exterminate a race, including the demon children (which are showed when Emma shows her propositions to Norman) which basically eat humans to survive, like humans eat animals to survive. I'm sure that at the end a complete genocide won't be made and I'm really interested in reading how a sort of compromise will be reached; I think it will involve Musica's blood, which could be the key for the new promise - after all it would be perfect for everyone, because demons would not need anymore to eat humans to survive. They could continue to hunt them because it's something they enjoy however, but this aspect could be part of the new promise content in some way.
Then, about Norman, I don't know if it was discussed, but to me it seems much older phisically (and mentally) than Emma and Ray. I think his different behaviour is caused by the experiments in Lambda.
Eh, Black Clover does suffer from objectifying its female cast however.Well said man, and I'd argue that Emma is the best female character in all of Shonen Jump. Though the bar for female characters in jump was never practically high. Will give a shoutout to Act Age and Black Clover which also handle their female casts well, and I hear World Trigger is also good in that regard. And on Norman he could be that way because of what happened to him at Lambda or it's just that puberty hit him like a truck. Do hope we get some chapters focused on Lambda some day.
By no means do I think the female cast of Black Clover is perfect because yeah it does have its fair share of issues but compared to other manga/anime out there I find it to be one of the better ones, mainly because of Noelle . TPN is the current king or should I say queen in that regard.Eh, Black Clover does suffer from objectifying its female cast however.
Charmy is pretty good as well, and as far as main female characters go in male lead Shonens I'd say Noelle is probably the best.Charmy is the only BC girl I enjoy, Noelle is just the tsundere trope and not much else
She's okay never been a big fan of her.
I know you said you were going to read it already, but I'm going to reiterate that World Trigger is very good on this end.By no means do I think the female cast of Black Clover is perfect because yeah it does have its fair share of issues but compared to other manga/anime out there I find it to be one of the better ones, mainly because of Noelle . TPN is the current king or should I say queen in that regard.
Would Nami from OP count as the main female? If so then that's my pickCharmy is pretty good as well, and as far as main female characters go in male lead Shonens I'd say Noelle is probably the best.
As I've stated, Emma's character has always needed improvement, or to simply just be removed from the plot. Many fans have long since held this view, so it seems reactions have simply been more bitter due to the protracted delay in dealing with Emma in any type of manner to correct and fix, or to delete her.So instead of sleeping like I should be I foolishly decided to read through some other forum threads on the latest chapter and boy was that a mistake. The amount of people questioning her intelligence, telling her to shut up, calling her a *****, and so on is just very aggravating and appalling. Like shit some of those comments made in those other threads made DTL posts here look good in comparison. Christ and earlier this week I thought the TPN fandom was still good but I was clearly wrong. And the petty part of me wants Norman's plan to fail and Emma to succeed just to spite these ********. Apologies for the rant it's just the rise in these kind of comments recently has really started to get on my nerves.
Been busy with some other stuff but I do plan on binge reading it soon enough.I know you said you were going to read it already, but I'm going to reiterate that World Trigger is very good on this end.
Hmm I'd say she is so it counts. Will say her lack of fights and being used more fan service has soured my opinion of her but she's still pretty good character.Would Nami from OP count as the main female? If so then that's my pick
I swear just as I start to feel bad for ranting against you ya go and say dumb shit like this. First of all not a single person besides you as ever asked for her to be removed from the story. Second of all there's nothing wrong with a character having flaws man if she didn't have any she'd be a boring character. And thirdly I doubt she was a late or early editor suggestion, hell I think there's an interview somewhere stating why the mangaka made Emma a girl. And what pray tell is exactly problematic about her? Her being a girl instead of a boy? And bruh a TPN without Emma would suck ass and I doubt any changes these fans would make to her would ever appease the raging hate boner you have for her.As I've stated, Emma's character has always needed improvement, or to simply just be removed from the plot. Many fans have long since held this view, so it seems reactions have simply been more bitter due to the protracted delay in dealing with Emma in any type of manner to correct and fix, or to delete her.
The newest episode even highlights the aggravating flaws in her character, like diving on norman to ruin everything then and there in front of mom, pointless and ridiculous.
I wonder if Emma was just an editor suggestion at the early stage or a character created at the eleventh hour, or drastically altered after editor input as there are things about her that really have been problematic since the start.
I hope fans do entire story rewrites changing her or simply without her.
Seems I still got much to learn lol. Just annoyed more so because I felt like a real piece of shit after what I said in the anime thread about him and then goes and does this and it's just ugh.
I swear just as I start to feel bad for ranting against you ya go and say dumb shit like this. First of all not a single person besides you as ever asked for her to be removed from the story. Second of all there's nothing wrong with a character having flaws man if she didn't have any she'd be a boring character. And thirdly I doubt she was a late or early editor suggestion, hell I think there's an interview somewhere stating why the mangaka made Emma a girl. And what pray tell is exactly problematic about her? Her being a girl instead of a boy? And bruh a TPN without Emma would suck ass and I doubt any changes these fans would make to her would ever appease the raging hate boner you have for her.
You named a bunch of realistic human traits and then called her unrealistic, really out of the main three or she's the one that asked the most like an actual kid, this would be a completely different story without Emma because for one see what's the main one pushing to try to save everyone in the orphanage, she also talked Ray down from killing himself, really without her everyone might have died already, there was nothing wrong with what she did last episode or this chapterShe's irrational, impulsive, irresponsible, illogical, distracting, unreasonable and unrealistic, loud, believes in fairy tails,
The main character of the story is unimportant? Sure whatever you say buddy.She's irrational, impulsive, irresponsible, illogical, distracting, unreasonable and unrealistic, loud, believes in fairy tails, and honestly dull and unimportant. There's so many moments where if she were removed things would have gone smoother or been more exciting and so many wouldnt have put in danger.
Its great the writer has done Ray and Norman so strongly that even with a weak link like Emma in the reins, the story can remain followable week after week.
My dumbass can't help it since what he says always gets me so heated that I end up taking his bait every single time. I'll just ignore him from now on since I feel like I only ever fight with the dude.
She's irrational, impulsive, irresponsible, illogical, distracting, unreasonable and unrealistic, loud, believes in fairy tails, and honestly dull and unimportant. There's so many moments where if she were removed things would have gone smoother or been more exciting and so many wouldnt have put in danger.
Its great the writer has done Ray and Norman so strongly that even with a weak link like Emma in the reins, the story can remain followable week after week.