And even with all the shit you said, without Emma, this manga has no soul. It's the fact that she shows these human emotions what actually makes it believable at all.
And thank god there's a character that's against genocide of sentient beings.
Hope all this heavy criticism with Emma isn't some kind of hidden misoginy, because it becomes glaringly obvious when you ignore the crap that is shokugeki no soma's awful developments and yet you heavily crush this manga's MC.l for far less.
Can't wait. Probably will be caught up in time for next weeks chapterUsed to be indifferent towards Phil up until chapter 100 which was the chapter that finally got me to jump onto the Phil bandwagon. And yeah I feel the same way about the Goldy Pond Arc that it was good but I wasn't all that crazy about it. And strap yourself in man because your about to go on a wild ride.
Nice, looking forward to your thoughts.Can't wait. Probably will be caught up in time for next weeks chapter
These sentient beings are eating us and we've had no examples of ones who really show sympathy for humanity other than those two who have hinted they'd be hunting them down and eating them if their own circumstances were different.And thank god there's a character that's against genocide of sentient beings.
Only Sonju wanted to hunt the humans again not Mujika. And like I said we probably should have spent some more time in the demon town to see more of the better side of the demons, but regardless of that I don't think every single demon is a total scumbag that deserves to die.These sentient beings are eating us and we've had no examples of ones who really show sympathy for humanity other than those two who have hinted they'd be hunting them down and eating them if their own circumstances were different.
Screw 'em.
That's true, I forgot that it was one of them who was on board with it.Only Sonju wanted to hunt the humans again not Mujika. And like I said we probably should have spent some more time in the demon town to see more of the better side of the demons, but regardless of that I don't think every single demon is a total scumbag that deserves to die.
Well to play devils advocate if it weren't for the demon elite that wiped out Mujika's clan more demons wouldn't need to eat human meat to survive. Now that doesn't mean some demons would stop eating human meat or hunting them but I think it wouldn't be bad as it is now in the story. Like I don't think all demons are pure sadistic monsters that want to eat humans for the hell of it. I'd say the issue lies with the demon elite more than the regular demons, they are the ones who want to keep the current system in place. I'd say most regular demons eat human meat just to survive not because they get sadistic joy out of it. To me at least it's not a totally black and white situation. And like I don't think there's anything wrong with how you feel I guess for me it's just that I don't view mass genocide as the best option.That's true, I forgot that it was one of them who was on board with it.
But that's giving the benefit of the doubt. Of course, we've had a restricted window into the types of human-demons there are because the ones highlighted are those who are in direct conflict with the kids. So sure, we could see something different if we had a deeper look into their society, and we very well might later on to create sympathy for them as Emma's goal becomes a bigger part of the theme.
But so far, they represent an active and very real danger to humanity. The whole reason the farms were put in place was because of monsters initiating a war which killed people on the other side until they reached a truce to stop the carnage and give the monsters what they wanted.
They don't seem to care that they're eating sentient beings, torturing them, and perpetuating the cycle. Even if 10% of their population have sympathy, is that enough? They didn't start off human-like; they took it from us by eating us. Forcibly reverting them back to their natural state is whatever.
It seems mostly the higher ups fault since they didn't want the solution solved with Mujika's blood
Yes, the elites are to blame for how bad the situation's gotten. But I don't think things would be fine if simply the elites were taken care of and their hierarchy was overhauled, with monster Jesus granting everyone left her blood.Well to play devils advocate if it weren't for the demon elite that wiped out Mujika's clan more demons wouldn't need to eat human meat to survive. Now that doesn't mean some demons would stop eating human meat or hunting them but I think it wouldn't be bad as it is now in the story. Like I don't think all demons are pure sadistic monsters that want to eat humans for the hell of it. I'd say the issue lies with the demon elite more than the regular demons, they are the ones who want to keep the current system in place. I'd say most regular demons eat human meat just to survive not because they get sadistic joy out of it. To me at least it's not a totally black and white situation. And like I don't think there's anything wrong with how you feel I guess for me it's just that I don't view mass genocide as the best option.
Not like I think the problem would be entirely fixed with Mujika's blood either but I'd wager it would be a better overall outcome. And I won't lie it is hard to argue against your point since yeah the series hasn't done the best job of showing the demons in a situation where they aren't trying to hunt or eat the humans. And so I'm mostly assuming at this point that not all demons are like this but I could very well be wrong. It's a very sticky situation and whatever promise that Emma ends up making with the demon god or whoever will be key to solving it without mass genocide. Honestly if I were in this kind of situation I'd be very conflicted as well.Yes, the elites are to blame for how bad the situation's gotten. But I don't think things would be fine if simply the elites were taken care of and their hierarchy was overhauled, with monster Jesus granting everyone left her blood.
I do feel like a vast many of them would continue eating humans because they're delicious. Or would continue hunting/torturing humans because it's fun. They're the ultimate apex predator, and that'll never go away. As such, they'll always see humans as insignificant animals that they can control.
Even if many of the demons would, for whatever reason, become docile towards humans and let them roam free—in "their" world—after gaining a way to maintain their form without eating humans, it's not a possibility I would play around with in their situation right now at all.
Barring "reforging the promise" which is probably going to be the real outcome of it all, I would see no other way to go about things than what Norman is saying. His is the most rational solution, if you're human.
Probably because there's no guarantee that the human world would accept them and there's also the Raitari clan who would try to stop them from crossing as well.I wonder if Norman knows something about escaping or even the human world as he hasn't actually said, according to my memory, why he is just against going that route.
I hope stay the same except but they become self sufficient without food. Whatever is the most goofy.And I'm curious if a human was to drink Mujika's blood would they turn into a demon or would they stay the same? Wonder if this will ever be brought up.
Yeah I don't want it to go that way either I was just curious. Hell I'm still iffy on the super humans I don't think I'd be able to handle demon human hybrids running about.I hope not. This series is already starting to feel too much like Attack on Titan (albeit less edgy/more optimistic) now withTurning into demons would really push it over lol.politics revolving around magic blood (allegedly anyways)
Really don't see how that fits his character, everything he has done has been for them pretty much so I don't see you putting them In harm's way, the nobels where Shown early on in the first arc so I think it makes more sense for them to be the final antagonistChapter's out.
I feel that Norman will end up betraying them. Either sending someone to deal with Emma and Ray or some shit like that. There's no way they are not building him up as the final boss here.
Interesting stuff.
Really don't see how that fits his character, everything he has done has been for them pretty much so I don't see you putting them In harm's way, the nobels where Shown early on in the first arc so I think it makes more sense for them to be the final antagonist
I believe this section of the story which made me to give more urgency and resolve for Emma, if she fails there will be War, Norman will attempt Genocide and nether Emma or Norman want that, this chapter showed is under pressure as a leader to make the hard choices he has to live with, and Emma's goal is to stop him from making that choiceI feel there's a point in why they introduced his team of psycho-friends. I doubt Norman being as calculating as he is will let Emma or Ray risk everything. Either he sends the order or they become chased by the weird guys by their own decision. Remember Norman wants to eradicate even innocent demon children.
Also, those weird last Norman panels.
Yes, the elites are to blame for how bad the situation's gotten. But I don't think things would be fine if simply the elites were taken care of and their hierarchy was overhauled, with monster Jesus granting everyone left her blood.
I do feel like a vast many of them would continue eating humans because they're delicious. Or would continue hunting/torturing humans because it's fun. They're the ultimate apex predator, and that'll never go away. As such, they'll always see humans as insignificant animals that they can control.
Even if many of the demons would, for whatever reason, become docile towards humans and let them roam free—in "their" world—after gaining a way to maintain their form without eating humans, it's not a possibility I would play around with in their situation right now at all.
Barring "reforging the promise" which is probably going to be the real outcome of it all, I would see no other way to go about things than what Norman is saying. His is the most rational solution, if you're human.
Edit: We got humans already killing other humans for nothing and looking down on them. We don't need a whole other, much more powerful form of "human" added to the mix. They've already shown that they have their own individuality and morals. A "bad" apple in their society would cause considerable harm to humans.
To give much needed exposition, show Norman's current status, and to give more urgency to Emma's mission because if she fails there will be WarVery terrible development. Whats the point of bringing Norman back only to have Ray and Emma go off on their own again?
That is a very well written thought, Narroo. I agree that the author undersells Emma but I do like how this current chapter develops. I like that Emma becomes much more resolved because she doesn't want Norman to be the one who has to handle everything by himself. I hope Promised Neverland will never become a typical shounen manga by turning Norman into a generic best friend turned arch enemy trope.
Norman wants to murder children because they are a different race from him, he's full villain now
So you're ok with how Anakin killed the Sand People children in Episode IIThese different races children are eating children like him. That's more like self preservation than villainy.
Wasn't that because of revengeSo you're ok with how Anakin killed the Sand People children in Episode II
Yeah, I agree with what you're saying. But at the same time, one plan is clearly more established and planned out with fewer unknowns, while the other one is all unkowns (including what the result of it would even be). I've always liked Norman the most, and that continues here.The most 'rational' course, then, would be to pursue both plans as far as possible. Neither is yet exclusive of the other; they could easily split into groups each pursuing a different possibility until they're forced to choose. If one plan fails, they'd then have a backup. This is sort of what happened this chapter, but for the wrong reasons.
That's the thing. The monsters wouldn't be satisfied with old, dilapidated bodies to eat who die from old age, natural causes, and disease just as much as we wouldn't be for our meat.And I still stand by the idea that the humans should offer their corpses to the demons so they can retain their intelligence and shape. Pretty sure there are enough corpses. Then both races can coexist together peacefully.
I would assume the majority of that would be old human meat which probably wouldn't taste very good.And I still stand by the idea that the humans should offer their corpses to the demons so they can retain their intelligence and shape. Pretty sure there are enough corpses. Then both races can coexist together peacefully.
The examples being brought up against Norman's plan are pretty poor. This is a race of beings literally enslaving your own. They torture your own. They eat your own. They raise generations of your own for this continued purpose. And we have had very few examples that these beings feel any regret for what they're doing. Few examples that they wish they didn't have to do things the way they are. And this extends to their children.
They are apex predators. They aren't just doing it because they need to do so to survive. They do it because they enjoy it.
Yeah, I agree with what you're saying. But at the same time, one plan is clearly more established and planned out with fewer unknowns, while the other one is all unkowns (including what the result of it would even be). I've always liked Norman the most, and that continues here.
I'm also not sure with how Emma's being written now, with more purely emotional reactions instead of measured ones with basis when she's supposed to be one of the smartest characters in the show as well. We'll see how that moves forward.
Yep. But they don't. And that's the crucial difference.If cows, chickens, etc had the mental capacity that humans do they'd probably think we're monsters.
What, that humans are sentient? I heavily doubt that. Why wouldn't they? The monsters aren't ashamed of eating humans. They're clearly really into it. Of course they'd pass that onto their kids.