yeah, exactly. it doesn't even need to be like wiki-level rigid, but these kinds of movies benefit immensely from all drawing from one source of inspiration, even if different directors with radically different styles and ideas come and go.
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I was falling asleep in the last act, I don't think people who falls into the two camps of TLJ really matter (I like them both) This is just an anti climactic and mindless movie
It almost feels unfair to compare things to LOTR. Like no shit it’s not as good as Two Towers, no other blockbuster ever will be.That is a clip from AotC, the CGI did not age well.
And before you say "Well no CG from 2002 aged well!", well...
Being both Old and not a Star Wars fan - I remember the fallout from the Prequels and the gnashing of teeth in anguish over their quality from the Original Star Wars fans - and, I say again, not being a Star Wars fan, it's been just as fun watching it happen again with the Sequels. Just so much pain and suffering over some movies ostensibly made to sell toys to kids. Amazing really.
Well it's only a few seconds. The rest of the fight is one the best in the whole series. The music is phenomenal too
Yeah, no only kids primed by their parents to like star wars since before the trilogy began are liking the sequel trilogy. All it takes is a walk down the toy aisle in a Walmart or Target to see it. The movies stopped lost the kids the moment they decided to pander to their old ass fans. Even TLJ for of its subversion of expectation offers nothing visually new and the story well it subverts the expectations of FANS it speaks to no one who is not deeply familiar with the lore. BTW PoC are used to playing second fiddle to the White Main character. In this movie, they still play second fiddle to a white main character. This movie offers nothing to be excited about.
Totally disagree, this was actively written to erase the last film
As an old-school Elder Scrolls fan, I’m warning you that you probably don’t want different creators with variable amounts of legitimacy weighing in on what’s canon. That’s a path that’s doomed to inevitable endless semantic arguments about nothing from all sides.
Still far better than the prequels.
Amazing how people are trying to pretend those weren’t literally among the worst movies ever made. At least Sequel Trilogy is decently enjoyable.
The nostalgia or whatever it is that’s making people elevate the prequels is bizarre. I was a kid when I saw them and I knew the stories sucked back then.
The Darth Maul fight was and still is fantastic though.
Those fucking Prequel Memes are giving everyone Rose Tinted Glasses something fierce.
Memes are dangerous.
Yep. The writing, script, and direction are awful in the prequels. Of course each of the three PT movies have redeeming scenes, moments, ideas, reveals, etc. Duel of the Fates is fantastic, the clone war at the end of AOTC is great. Much of ROTS is great as well, with again the script and direction being the major downfall here overall.
I have great nostalgia for the prequels despite their many flaws, but the Sequel Trilogy is, overall, far better crafted than the Prequels by a long shot.
It’s like if everyone started to say The Room is underrated because they think “Oh Hi Mark” is funny.
Are you saying that from your point of view, the memes are evil?
The ST is obviously more competently made as films, but they are so bland and rehashed, whereas the prequels had a lot of new planets, aliens, lore, technologies etc. Despite being terrible movies they hinted at a much bigger universe and invited one’s imagination. The sequels had free rein to do whatever they wanted and they just repeated some visual language and some old EU plot beats (but did them worse) and didn’t give us much to expand the saga.
No, I’m here to extrapolate wildly based on 12 hours of data! At this rate it’ll be at 0% in ten and a half days.
You're bringing steak to a hot dog eating contest there friend.What else came out in 2002 and still has CG that holds up well
I can't quite put my finger on it...
I guess some people are looking back more fondly on the prequels because, at the very least, did expand the Star Wars universe a lot and took the series in new directions...even if they weren't that great.
It's kinda like how you have certain Sonic fans missing the mid-2000s era (aka "the Dark Age") of the series, because that was when Sonic Team was going crazy with all sorts of wacky and ambitious ideas (with mostly not very good execution), as opposed to how sterile and 'safe' the series feels now.
It's kinda like how you have certain Sonic fans missing the mid-2000s era (aka "the Dark Age") of the series, because that was when Sonic Team was going crazy with all sorts of wacky and ambitious ideas (with mostly not very good execution), as opposed to how sterile and 'safe' the series feels now.
With just a dash of pure contrarianism mixed in, like when people defend Devil May cry 2, Sticker Star, or Dark Souls 2.
With the way the internet works, you’ll just never get something that’s universally disliked (or universally liked) since that alone is enough to give it a significant boost in some people’s eyes.
I kind of wish I could go back in time and see what my opinion of the prequels was as they were happening, because I don't remember hating them and did rewatch them a few times as the DVDs came out. I think I was aware that they weren't the groundbreaking cinema of the OT, but I don't remember hating them at the time. And I don't really now, even if I can laugh at some of the more ridiculous parts of it. I'll probably end up rewatching the PT before I watch the ST again.
Ive always like the star wars movies but i will never call myself a superfan. Though i dont like the prequel trilogy (ep2 is abysmal) but at least there's a consistency in the story it is trying to tell.
This new trilogy though.....whatever you wanna call it, consistent is not the word one would associate with it. It is like each follow up episode hates the previous one.
My condolences to the star wars super fans. You've suffered much.
This new trilogy though.....whatever you wanna call it, consistent is not the word one would associate with it. It is like each follow up episode hates the previous one.
My condolences to the star wars super fans. You've suffered much.
Really good movie, I plan to see it again tomorrow. My daughter wants to see it again with her friends this time (she went with me last night).
I just want to go back in time and slap myself for being as harsh as I was on George Lucas in 2002. Yes, the prequels were not exactly great, and they deserved legitimate, not-frothing-insane criticism. But the entire internet was ready to crucify him and it's an utterly embarrassing response to look back on now.
Half 12 afternoon, I think in the UK. I don't even fall asleep during movies, just felt like it was on autopilot. It's hard to get a tricky balance of new and old and this film failed for me. I need suspense to keep me going.
Agreed. I didn't like either and I was also bored out of my fucking mind during this entire movie.
Yeah, but do you know what's scary? The prequel trilogy is the only one that had a clear arc that developed throughout the three films. Both the original and new trilogies retconned much from the second movie with the third in order to go back to the familiar.
fyi Tomatometer is the % of positive reviews, basically how many people recommend you see it. It’s not an average of the scores that were given.
Funnily enough I think a lot of original fan theories would have been better, the film needed some creativity, it needed something to keep you in suspense. For all its flaws, TLJ was suspenseful like the throne room scene with Snoke and not knowing whether Luke can be trusted because he's changed so much and hardened with age.
I suspect the movie was supposed to be five hours long, but someone told JJ to reign it in. They probably could have cut a massive portion of the earlier part of the film, considering the immediate resolution of so many plot points.
I stil think people overuse all this data for the sake of dumb arguments.