I mean they literally explain it in the movie itself, you can't fix people's attention spans lol
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The Russo Bros answer lingering Endgame questions in a interview
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Yeah, but... that was an alternate timeline. Meaning he couldn't have just aged into the future of the main timeline that the film follows, he would have aged into another one that he created. They even say as much later in the interview when they say that the timeline he created by doing this would have had two separate Captain Americas most likely.
The film establishes earlier on that what you change in the past isn't going to affect the present timeline, it's going to create its own separate branch. That's what I'm talking about.
Ah, this was a question I had as well, but that makes sense. Though I have seen some insinuations that all this meddling is going to attract the attention of Kang the Conqueror, which would be an interesting new Big Bad.
What does anything I've said have to do with not understanding time travel as shown in the movie and as explicitly described by the directors? Try reading the full conversation before riffing on posts.
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Uh...exactly? This is literally what the interview clarifies. Cap lives out his life in an alternate timeline with Peggy, and then returns to 'our' MCU timeline at some point in order to pass the torch to Sam. He just does it off-screen.
The EW interview makes it quite more open than that. It's actually an unanswered question if Cap lived through the MCU timeline or not. The answer to me is obvious: Cap came back to the love of his life, the Peggy Carter of his own timeline. Somehow, Steve did it, going against the rules established in Endgame. How? To be continued. This story isn't over just yet.
https://ew.com/movies/2019/04/30/av...aptain-america/amp/?__twitter_impression=true
The only real question is how does he return to the MCU timeline instead of an alternate reality future timeline. The Russo brothers refuse to answer that in the interview so that's the one piece that isn't clear.
What? That link explicitly says he lived it in another dimension.
That isn't a question. We literally saw in the movie that the Stark 'time GPS' wristbands allowed for that.
Loki managed to get the Tesseract and escape in one of the timelines they returned to. That created an alternate timeline, right? They were essentially living in that alternate timeline for an hour or so, and yet were still able to return to their prime universe.
Cap did the exact same thing, but just stayed there much longer. It shouldn't really matter how much time he spends there, though, because the logic is the same - it doesn't matter what you do in that 'past' timeline. You can still return to your own universe.
Direct quote from the interview:
I honestly think that the film - and Steve's whole arc in the MCU - speaks for itself. Steve wouldn't settle for A Peggy Carter. It's egotistical in a way that just doesn't fit the character. Somehow, during the time that he was delivering the stones, he found a way to go back to Peggy. His Peggy, not one from an alternate timeline. The one at the beginning of the film he explicitly said is the love of his life. Settling for a Peggy of a different it'd be completely out of character. I'm aware that the rules set in Endgame forbid that. But I 100% believe that somehow he did pull it off and that this is a story for another day, maybe with seeds in the Falcon and The Winter Soldier series planted. This won't be the last time we saw Captain Steve Rogers. Or Peggy.
I hope an interview brings up this plothole to the Russos or the writers to see if they can answer it.
Scott said he was trapped in the quantum realm for only 5 hours after 5 years had passed in the real world. But if that's true then Janet Van Dyne should still be young as all that time in the quantum realm would've only been a few days for her.
Scott said he was trapped in the quantum realm for only 5 hours after 5 years had passed in the real world. But if that's true then Janet Van Dyne should still be young as all that time in the quantum realm would've only been a few days for her.
No, we didn't because what happened with your first scenario is they had a return destination and time set which is what they returned to and which Cap didn't return to at the end. Thus he had to set a new destination like they did to return to the 70s. Earlier it was established that you set a time in the past, you're in your timeline and I accept that. What isn't clear is when you set a time in the future, does the device allow you to define what dimension too?
OH I'm sure Cap thawed himself out for one of his anniversaries with Peggy.
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Ever think that maybe Hank was into older ladies? Hmm?
Jokes aside, I think the idea is that there isn't a consistent rule of how time works in the quantum realm. Not everyone who goes there by mistake is going to have the exact same experience with time passing.
Yes, it explicitly says it's a new timeline though. The thing is, it's still his Peggy. When he goes back, it's the MCU timeline but the second he stays to have a relationship with her, it branches. So it's his Peggy but now spawned in a new timeline. That was said in the interview you linked to.
Caption America going back and living with Peggy was the weakest part of the movie. It also made their time travelling aspect much more complex for the average Joe to understand. They also didn't show him going back in his suit. Assuming this guy's explanation that universes Branch out when new choices are made, how come the universe where there are 2 caption America not be a different branch then the prime branch where all the Canon stuff happened? If he the old captain american returned old using the same suit and machine, it would be more consistent. The only other logical conclusion is that there were always 2 captain america in the prime universe.
Like I've said, I think the Russo's aren't telling us everything here. Cap in the MCU, very much like Tony, is known for pulling off impossible feats. There is a story to be told eventually here.
That just opens the question of how he traveled back to the movie one, though.
That's an illogical conclusion that's infinitely regressive, because at some point, there has to be a separate timeline where there is no "Old Cap" present to initiate the timeline in which there are two Caps.
you always get two types of people the ones that go plothole plothole instantly and ones with imagination and logic reasoning.
I can accept that. My only gripe is people claiming everything is clear when there's clearly an unanswered question left on the table here that even the Russos won't answer.
I think you're looking at it the wrong way. Old Cap didn't use the device to travel 'into to the future', because as you say - that wouldn't lead to the prime universe.
Instead, think of the wristbands as basically creating an anchor point in whatever universe they leave from. Cap was able to alter the time he returned slightly, but it was always going to lead back to his prime universe.
I get it but the movie is not clear how the old captain American returned. Was it using his suit? Or he just waited until it was the right time?
How does that even work when the Russo brothers explicitly say he's in another dimension timeline? How does he get back to the main timeline then without using the device?
Cap is in possession of ALL the infinity stones when he goes back. I know the Russos said that he would deliver the soul stone in Vormir to Red Skull and that's it, BUT... would he though?
Do we even KNOW what the Soul stone does in the MCU? Because I'm pretty sure that's the one stone we haven't seen working just yet. I don't know how, but I'm pretty convinced that Steve managed to be in the prime timeline all this time, somehow.
Do we even KNOW what the Soul stone does in the MCU? Because I'm pretty sure that's the one stone we haven't seen working just yet. I don't know how, but I'm pretty convinced that Steve managed to be in the prime timeline all this time, somehow.
That's a story that isn't over. Yes, there is a sense of finality here, but there's clearly threads that they can and probably will pursue in the future.
He DOES use the device. He just doesn't return at the exact moment Professor Hulk expected.
Cap somehow managed to alter the time he'd return ever so slightly, without affecting the 'anchor point' being in that universe.
i am going to say it can merge 2 souls together. gamora 3.0 comes from 1+2
The anchor point is supposed to be an exact time and place though which was established earlier when the first time they returned. So there are two methods to return. The first is using the normal return method which is what they used the first time. If that happened, he should have returned exactly as expected even if he was older. The second is to set it to jump to a specific time which seems more in line with what happened, but then how does he determine the dimension when doing that?
Why do you think wrist bands can't be used to get back to the Primetime line? It seems to me that they can use it to return to timelines they've been- which is exactly how Cap returns the stones.
Why would the band allow him to re-jump to these alternate timelines, but not allow him to re-jump to the Prime timeline?
The watches must be able to determine dimension, because that's how he returns the stones.
Thoughts about Ant-Man plot hole...
Janet entered the Quantum Realm while wearing a suit that was engineered in the 1980s. She is stuck there for nearly 20 years, and it feels like it to her.
Over the next 20 or so years, Hank Pym continues to develop and improve his tech, including the suits that are used by Ant-Man.
Scott Lang enters the Quantum Realm while wearing a suit that was engineered with 2015 technology. This suit is more advanced than the one Janet was wearing when she became trapped. It allows Scott to experience time differently from a user that is wearing the older suit. For him, 5 years is like 5 hours in the Quantum Realm.
Janet entered the Quantum Realm while wearing a suit that was engineered in the 1980s. She is stuck there for nearly 20 years, and it feels like it to her.
Over the next 20 or so years, Hank Pym continues to develop and improve his tech, including the suits that are used by Ant-Man.
Scott Lang enters the Quantum Realm while wearing a suit that was engineered with 2015 technology. This suit is more advanced than the one Janet was wearing when she became trapped. It allows Scott to experience time differently from a user that is wearing the older suit. For him, 5 years is like 5 hours in the Quantum Realm.
Watch them set up Infinity Wars, with Soul Gem Old Gamora trying to feed Devondra so she can break free, or some shit lol
I guess he forget the scene where they were literally standing there waiting for him to return to the prime timeline (before they saw him on the bench).
Consider this. Time is relative to the person. Remember, the present becomes his past and past becomes his future. When Cap returns to the main timeline, his timeline, he isn't going back to the future, he's going back to the present, which is his past now. So all he has to do is travel back to his past. That's what they're doing all the time.
The MCU stopped making sense the minute Tony Stark survived shrapnal caving in his chest. At this point you just have to roll with whatever they're throwing at you and hope it's entertaining.
Yes, he had a round trip........he just didn't come back till he happily lived his life out. So he used the final return jump to give the shield back
Correct.
Also I agree on the 2nd point about Cap. Even if we'd like to entertain him marrying her in the primary timeline - it would be a drastic change and thus branch things at some point.
Your third point is where I'm unsure. How did he get back? If anything that supports the "Cap marries Agent Carter in primary timeline" theory... Which maybe the Russos will retcon or clarify? IDK.
If she flew off with the gauntlet it would have failed at some point - as established by Dr. Strange.
The Russos answer makes enough sense - Thanos' power and resources are overwhelming and beating him was a long shot the entire time (which was the point to begin with) ... this was that one time he failed, and they made it happen against all odds.
Pretty great for a comic book (movie) ending.
They don't have a good answer for why strange couldn't use the time stone to reverse time for Tony to revive him.
This. Im not understanding why this is seen as mysterious.
To when?
Tony had to snap for the war to end. When is he going to rewind to? Right after tony snaps and is in the process of dying anyway?
Why?
So he can die again within a minute?
Also, the answer for why it had to be tony is that it was tony's tech that allowed him to transfer the stones to himself without Thanos noticing or being able to stop it.
I missed the atomized part. So yea, they didn't completely disappear, he just made them effectively useless.
Nice.
This is something I thought about today that until your post I hadn't seen.
Tony's suit / tech was the only way for the stones to transfer ... it's already shown in the film that he is pulling on Thanos gauntlet (which everyone tried to do before and failed) so Thanos understandably lost attention on Tony for a second - long enough for Tony to have his gauntlet on Thanos transfer the stones to his own.
Is everyone dusted now five years older or the same age? I hope Far From Home answers this because then the main core of Peter's class all got dusted too? We know Ned did. Presumably they all came back at the same age while the rest of the world aged.
Anyway, I think they did the time jump for a variety of reasons but one of them to get out of the conundrum Homecoming created by saying "8 years later".
Marvel/Feige - "It's the future and people still dab, don't think too hard about the year anymore"
Anyway, I think they did the time jump for a variety of reasons but one of them to get out of the conundrum Homecoming created by saying "8 years later".
Marvel/Feige - "It's the future and people still dab, don't think too hard about the year anymore"
Time reversal with the time stone is / can be localized to a particular area. You see this when strange reverses time for the apple, when Thanos reverses time for Vision, etc. Time isn't reversed for things not in that area. So, Tony snaps, you remove his gauntlet, move it out of the area, then reverse time for him until before his snap.