He becomes Joker because he's literally insane. The world beating him down (which you see in the trailer) is part of it but he's multiple-prescription-drug INSANE to begin with.
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The script for Joker has allegedly leaked, and it's not great
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He becomes Joker because he's literally insane. The world beating him down (which you see in the trailer) is part of it but he's multiple-prescription-drug INSANE to begin with.
by the way you shouldn't - Punisher went way, way out of its way to really ensure that it doesn't pander to that type. There are scenes literally making fun of MAGA-style gun loving idiots. Most of it is a kind of study on PTSD.
I remember thinking several times how the types of guys with Punisher shit sprayed on their truck or w/e must really hate the show.
So if anyone wants to know about that thing that is fake in the 4Chan post that everyone freaked out over, what really happens (no explicit details to not spoil it exactly):
She isn't killed, at least not in the script. The last time you see her is her reaction to the TV of something reaaaally bad the Joker does towards end.
Of course they wouldn't, this is what makes problematic depictions insidious. It normalises that behaviour. Them liking it isn't a sign that it's not problematic. If we did that nothing nobody ever made or did would be problematic.
What do you mean "might"? Did you see the reaction to the Joker from the Dark Knight? What about Wall Street and Wolf of Wall Street? People idolising scumbags is a long tradition in Hollywood.
Do you know if the scene described of the Joker carrying the the flower in the apartment hallway is also in the script you read?
Yes, but it's not poison flowers. He takes her flowers and an envelope with a note telling her to watch a show on TV (because of what he plans to do). It's alluded that she threw away the flowers or something since you see the contents of the envelope on her table, but they make a point to say you don't see the flowers.
Yeah but the lead has been depicted as evil for decades at this point. People are already getting up in arms because they had the evil protagonist do something evil?
I guess we'll have to wait and see what the tone of the scene is.
You need to understand that depicted violence against women isnt okay just because a bad guy character does it.
How cool would it be if Joker turned out to be a Belmont and hunts Dracula down in the final act?
So no violence against women should ever be depicted in films? Is this what I'm reading?
What are you suggesting that we only show men get killed or beaten from here on out? Meanwhile I can pick up any paper and read a horrible story about how a woman was attacked.
Do you think people are going to erupt into cheers when a woman gets killed on screen like Thor entering wakanda?
Film criticism and the problematic aspects with fiction is a topic much, much deeper than what you're framing it as.
What you call a problem I call a plot point. End of the day our opinions are different and I believe I side with the majority on this issue.
What would you consider a problem in a film script about the story? This isn't about numbers, it's about ethics.
This thread is a ride, everyone dropping a film over unverified "leaks" without context
Personally, I think a Joker film is completely cynical money grabbing from conception but that's still no reason why it can't be good
And for everyone still holding a grudge over BvS/MoS/Suicide Squad... let it go already. WW, Aquaman and Shazam have been made since then. We're slowly getting rid of the Snyder toxins
Personally, I think a Joker film is completely cynical money grabbing from conception but that's still no reason why it can't be good
And for everyone still holding a grudge over BvS/MoS/Suicide Squad... let it go already. WW, Aquaman and Shazam have been made since then. We're slowly getting rid of the Snyder toxins
Idk, for me to find something problematic it would have to be severely never seen before fucked up.
A movie about a mad man that is a mass murderer? The thought never even crosses my mind.
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So violence against men is ok, but against women isn't?Am I reading this correctly?
Jeeeeeeesus Christ.
Read a fuckin article or two I don't have time for your bad faith thought exercises.
Yea man we're the crazy ones.Not you who wants to censor movies.
You literally just signed up with an account this month let's see how far it goes with that bullshit your talking
Bullshit talking?He is saying that violent depiction against women ahould be censored in MOVIES.That to me doesn't make any sense.If that is the director's vision why would you want to censor him?
Seeing the defense that "the script was rewritten daily on set." actually makes me more worried. Not less
Yeah, to me reading that a script for a in-production movie was constantly being rewritten means there's serious problems with the movie itself because what would be the exact reason for why a script for a in-production movie needed to be rewritten daily???
Who wants to censor movies? Make whatever movie you want. If I think it's a bad movie, I can say so. I haven't seen a single person in this thread argue that a Joker movie should be illegal. If you've seen such a post, maybe link to it? Otherwise, please stop arguing in bad faith.
I'm glad that the 4chan leak is fake. When I first saw the trailer I was looking forward to the movie, and still am. I do think that making a movie about a villain is difficult. If you make a movie that idolizes or fails to critique the villain's worldview, then it's a shitty movie. Which can be tough to do if the villain is the protagonist.
So like most scripts are being rewritten on sets because stuff might have changed the day before.
Here's the thing - the beats of the leaked script appear to be in the trailer. So the story is largely locked in.
Those beats were bad.
I Mean yes minor changes and tweaks are going to happen.
But the way its being phrased on this thread seems to imply the finished product will drastically different from the original script. That isn't a common thing.
And hey I am on board for this movie since the first teaser images. I'm just saying it's worrying if the script is being changed that much.
If you're talking about the 4Chan thing in this thread it's because whoever wrote that did so after seeing the trailer. The actual script is 100% different than that bogus 4Chan leak everyone in this thread is arguing about.
I really don't understand this. I am not trolling or deriding your premise but I don't understand this at all. Further, I will not draw false equivalency to state this but I think it is fair to say such a stance is vexing, no?
Maybe you didn't like the 'beats', but you're jumping to conclusions by using hasty logic -- why couldn't they change the shots shown in the trailer? That's pretty common.
A combination of the film needing to start production before the script is completely ready + the filmmakers coming up with better ideas, dialogue, etc. as they go than what they had originally locked in. This happens on quite a lot of movies, some of which turn out bad and some of which turn out great.
The screenwriter behind The Fighter co-wrote Joker with Phillips, so I doubt it'll be awful.
I need more context around this particular scene before fully judging it, since it's something the Joker would absolutely do. A fictional mass murdering clown does horrible things, go fuckin' figure.
Also, there's nothing wrong with thinking the Joker is "cool", since he is after all NOT REAL. Tons of people root for Ledger's Joker in The Dark Knight. General consensus is that he's a great supervillain, but anyone with two functioning brains cells understands that he's a terrible human being (if you even want to call him that).
I need more context around this particular scene before fully judging it, since it's something the Joker would absolutely do. A fictional mass murdering clown does horrible things, go fuckin' figure.
Also, there's nothing wrong with thinking the Joker is "cool", since he is after all NOT REAL. Tons of people root for Ledger's Joker in The Dark Knight. General consensus is that he's a great supervillain, but anyone with two functioning brains cells understands that he's a terrible human being (if you even want to call him that).
So the scene with the violence isn't actually in the film after all? Fucking WB and DC doing their bullshit censorship again. /s
The scene everyone is freaking out about DOES NOT EXIST.
It's definitely a HARD R. Tons of f-bombs, a brief sex scene, and gore.
I actually just read your previous comment. Thanks again for clearing that up.
If I may ask, have you read the actual script itself? If so, what are your Impressions of it? I really hope WB/DC hit it out of the park with this one. Phillips is my only concern since Hangover 2 & 3 weren't well received, but he's definitely not a bad director. Also, does Zazie Beetz's character witness something on TV that is reminiscent of the talk show scene from The Dark Knight Returns? Thanks again.
No
Read the script, yes. Things can change from the script to the final movie, so it's not perfect. But Phoenix should be awesome.
It's not exactly like the TDKR scene, no.
You all do know they have been writing as they go, so i'm calling this dude on his bullshit simply because they aren't following a script. you all do know that is basically how Iron Man was filmed. A shit ton of it was improv.