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The script for Joker has allegedly leaked, and it's not great
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It's pretty shitty that (supposedly) one of the only prominent female characters, who is also black, is killed by the white main character to further his arc. Like, this couldn't have been accomplished in any other way?
Even if we aren't supposed to see Joker as the "good guy", the audience will still be encouraged to sympathize with him. And even outside all of that, it's really bad representation wise.
That's what I mean though. Like, if the movie is trying to make you sympathize with them then yeah that shit is bad. If the movie is actively trying to tell you that Joker is a monster then it feels a little more acceptable.
I do worry about this being a Fight Club situation where people view the main character in the completely wrong way
People not thinking critically or warping a movie's themes to suit their own perspective isn't the movie's fault. Aside from the sleazy examples like Maniac, all of those movies and shows portray their protagonists and their actions as harmful, wrong, self-destructive, etc.
I agree, I'm not walking into this movie expecting to like the Joker. No one should.
I think we're really jumping the gun here, guys. The movies not even out yet and people are already acting as if they know the whole thematic identity of it.
I mean, of course the movie could be a dumpster fire and have some pretty shitty ideas but it's weird to me to write off an entire film based on this very limited information.
I mean, of course the movie could be a dumpster fire and have some pretty shitty ideas but it's weird to me to write off an entire film based on this very limited information.
We're supposed to sympathize with him on some level though. That's pretty clear in the trailer. He's a middle aged man with a shitty life and mental health issues. He's regularly assaulted and lives alone caring for his deteriorating mother who seems like one of his only friends. You're supposed to feel bad for him.
And as I said, even if he's portrayed as a completely unsympathetic monster and has no reason for turning into the Joker other than being a monster, it's still horrible representation wise.
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I love these post. Maybe you have friends that worked on the movie actually but atleast try and prove some evidence because this seems more to be a reactionary response on this story.
Regardless, I hope this movie turns out decent I love the look of the joker and the trailer.
The people mentioning it as problematic haven't just read that one isolated bit, but the whole script. It's obvious that it's also contextually fucked up.
Do they even have the final script? Have they seen the edit of the film, stand in on reshoots? Probably not.
If the script leaked, is there a link for it anywhere? If people keep asking for context or whatever about the rumored spoiler in the OP, surely we can read the script for ourselves to gain context. I just don't see a link to it anywhere.
Nyet lol. I know your probably joking but I've seen that sentiment around the internet unironically a lot.
Little variety is the spice of life, I'd hate it if all comic books where "cape books". Hopefully brightburn turns out good, could be the first "supero hero horror/comic book horror" movie after the new mutants died (lol).
I don't hold Joker to be some high esteemed villain, but he's never reminded me of the people I went to high school with after getting rejected.
There's a reason everyone is using the spoiler tag for this.
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Not gonna immediately write the movie off based on that spoiler. If it's justified contextually then fine, but if not and we're supposed to sympathise with him...oops.
Again, if the spoiler is true then it doesn't seem at all like the filmmakers are saying, "See, it's her fault!" Why are we caring if incels interpret it that way? Why are we pretending that incel culture needs some pop culture movie spark to manifest in potential violence and hatred? Why are we tap dancing around storylines because extremists may behave in extremist ways?
People disagreeing with the action he supposedly takes because it doesn't feel like a Joker thing to do are fair to feel that way. I just wholly disagree with the idea that we should adjust our storylines to not inadvertently galvanize idiots who are already galvanized by their own distorted view of the world.
If those rumors about what he does is true, I see absolutely no way that it's framed in a way where he seems justified for doing it.
People disagreeing with the action he supposedly takes because it doesn't feel like a Joker thing to do are fair to feel that way. I just wholly disagree with the idea that we should adjust our storylines to not inadvertently galvanize idiots who are already galvanized by their own distorted view of the world.
If those rumors about what he does is true, I see absolutely no way that it's framed in a way where he seems justified for doing it.
Or a Fight Club situation where people watch it and come out of the theater thinking it was a good movie.
People tend to paint Joker as a "he's wrong but hes right" character and the movie seems to want to frame him as tragic so this would come off pretty fucked if it's pre full blown Joker
Tough call on this for me.
Is what a certain part of society takes away from the movie the responsibility of the director? Of course, it is a problem if that is what they intended. But even if it is handled well, we are still going to have some audience members come away 'rooting' for the character. See Rorschach from Watchmen.
Is what a certain part of society takes away from the movie the responsibility of the director? Of course, it is a problem if that is what they intended. But even if it is handled well, we are still going to have some audience members come away 'rooting' for the character. See Rorschach from Watchmen.
I don't see anything really alarming in that spoiler. Will some people misinterpret the film? Yes, but that's on them. Taxi Driver's script isn't "oof" because of what people have made of it.
Seems to me that this is just another example of people going overboard nowadays with the term "incel," kind of like how everything some years ago was "emo."
Seems to me that this is just another example of people going overboard nowadays with the term "incel," kind of like how everything some years ago was "emo."
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Why is this bad related to the joker. The guy is a fucking psychopath who kills hundreds of people in comics and movies just for laughs.
Evil supes? Maybe.
I hope its like a super accelerated irredeemable and doesn't pull any punches with just how terrible such a reality would be.
lmao. this is the joker, not some guy running for president. of course hes going to kill a woman who rejected him. hes not some woke pro choice activist.
People are getting too focused on that one spoiler and assuming it's the only thing wrong with the script.
I meant the stereotype of their radicalized state (alt-right, diet-nazims, incels, gamer-gators etc)
Well being a tragic character still doesn't make you right, characters descending into madness can still be painted as an evil person doing the wrong thing, it's part of the tragedy, though I can still understand why some people can be worried about this aspect of the because I've way too many times people relating to the wrong person and taking the wrong message
Who would go to see the story of the Joker looking for live advise? Maybe contrary-advice? I dunno
The problem with parts of the good natured left (wokism), is that sometimes we like the idea of achieving way in a free, chaotic way (joker) instead of facing that heroic ideals need heroic discipline (batman).
We're not supposed to sympathize with the joker, at all.
Not seeing the problem. You mean the Joker, one of the all-time most famous villains kills another person in this film for petty reasons!?!
I am not sure how this will be framed so that we sympathize with him rather than revile him. Maybe we will sympathize with his loneliness at first and then this is what pushes him over the edge for full on disgust. Similar to Tyler Durden going from a "wow, this guy has some wild ideas, maybe he has a point" to "wow, this guy is a cult leader and obvious a sociopath" or Walter White "just providing for his family in a goofy way by making home grown meth" to "sociopath kingpin who destroys everything in his wake"
Dumb people will interpret things in dumb ways.
I am not sure how this will be framed so that we sympathize with him rather than revile him. Maybe we will sympathize with his loneliness at first and then this is what pushes him over the edge for full on disgust. Similar to Tyler Durden going from a "wow, this guy has some wild ideas, maybe he has a point" to "wow, this guy is a cult leader and obvious a sociopath" or Walter White "just providing for his family in a goofy way by making home grown meth" to "sociopath kingpin who destroys everything in his wake"
Dumb people will interpret things in dumb ways.
Scripts aren't the only thing that goes into a movie. There have been terrible scripts that make good movies and good scripts that make terrible movies.
No I meant people sometimes think he's right in terms of his views on society, not because he's tragic, but that those views spawned from tragedy
Where The Wild Things Are had a script leak and I sort of remember people loving it.
Foundations aren't the only thing that goes into building houses.
This. Frankly I'd be more worried if he didn't kill for petty reasons lol - it'd be completely out of character.
The outrage culture on Era is hilarious though lmao