Article by Mashable: https://mashable.com/2018/08/10/octopath-traveler-review-sexist.amp/
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Well worth the full read.
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Well worth the full read.
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The Sexist Garbage in Octopath Traveler
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But that sounds really problematic I don't know if I'll buy it now.
Well damn, I'm planning to get a Switch in February and I was looking at Octopath as a jumping in point for JRPGs, a genre I've totally missed outside of Pokemon.
But that sounds really problematic I don't know if I'll buy it now.
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This guy is treated as a bad guy though?... He's part of the example of why the boss is such a piece of shit in Chapter 2 for Primrose.
They aren't exactly glorifying him, it's just part of the story and why the villains are villains.
Isn't it the point of Primrose's story, to have men portrayed as horrible rapists/terrible people overall ? Like, that's not being sexist. If anything it's condemning that.
Yes, it is. Prim is a good character though and all of these men are clearly depicted as shitty and/or villains. I don't believe the person writing that article understands how stories work.
Next up, "The Sexist Garbage in Perfect Blue"
You literally stab the guy selling the girl in the heart with a dagger in the next scene. Every single scene listed in the OP is unquestionably portrayed as horrific from the scene setup, to the music, to the fact you kill guys responsible in relatively gruesome manners in short order.
Yep
It was weird and a view into fucked up people, and I'm unsure how primrose's story alone makes the game sexist?
The game treats it well since these characters are depicted as vile/terrible people and Primrose along with Yusfa as strong heroes.
The fact that there is sexists characters doesn't mean that the game is sexist.
The fact that there is sexists characters doesn't mean that the game is sexist.
This is reaching.
Z'aanta raised her after her parents died and is clearly shown to be a competent and renowned hunter. H'aanit's storyline ends with her building her own legacy and fame of adventures.
Can we also mention the various NPC side-characters including the Leader of the Knights Ardante, the crown Princess of Atlasdam, the under-cover daughter of the King of Marsalim or the top mage and mentor to Cyrus?
Yes I'm confused. The entire point of this scene is to paint that person as a terrible person. Not to glorify any of that.
This article seems to be twisting things to serve its narrative.
The entire point of the Primrose story is that it's a horrible sexist and abusive environment. It's not celebrated. The treatment and attitude towards women is vilified in the Primrose story.
I haven't encountered anything else yet that I would consider sexist. That story about the doll sounds creepy though.
I haven't encountered anything else yet that I would consider sexist. That story about the doll sounds creepy though.
Exactly, they portray the men in horrible light, and then all die as a result. The game is clearly telling you what is going on is wrong and not to be glorified.
Justice served biatch.
The examples from Primrose's story tell me the article is either missing the point of her story entirely or the writer was not expecting such a dark story. These people are villains and it's all detestable.
Problematic is a stretch. It's 16-bit fiction.
Problematic is a stretch. It's 16-bit fiction.
I wondered when someone would make a thread on this article. It's poor writing and completely missing the point of her story....
Seriously
Its not glorifying anything. Helginish and her Chapter 2 boss are portrayed as monsters.
The article sounds like someone who watched clips of scenes on Youtube and doesn't know the context in which they're in the game, or the larger narrative
User Banned (1 Week): Dismissive towards concerns of sexism.
I don't think the author of that article knows what sexism is.
why do many people think that the content of a game is somehow representative of a developer's belief
this distinction is hard to make for many
I mean, does Rockstar promote people like Trevor Phillips,? i mean this article is ridiculous in that it misses the entire point
this distinction is hard to make for many
I mean, does Rockstar promote people like Trevor Phillips,? i mean this article is ridiculous in that it misses the entire point
Primrose has a dark story that deals with sexual abuse, prostitution, and the demeaning of women. None of this is portrayed in a positive and encouraging light that indicates these things are okay. I don't think it's fair to say the game is being sexist, it's just telling a dark story with uncomfortable subject matter. Tressa, another female protagonist has an extremely light hearted and happy story by comparison.
You could argue that using overt sexual abuse to obviously paint Helgenish and the like as "so evil wow" is lazy or trite, I guess, but I'm not sure I really jive with the rest of the article.
If you care for the conclusion of this part of the story ....
PRIMROSE CHAPTER 2 SPOILER
The guy running the brothel is the one that Primrose wants to kill and also does so. The girl that was chosen to be the replacement for this sick fucks daughter is a former maid of Primrose's father and a friend of her, and freed along with the other girls after the boss has been killed by Prim.
SPOILER END
For whatever happens in Primrose story, you have Ophilia and Tressa with more lighter stuff.
The writer of this article very much misunderstands the point of some of the stuff being described.
I mean, that scene with the father is clearly not meant to glorify his actions. He is a bad person. A story that has sexist characters does not make the game itself sexist. It's very strange that the writer can't seem to understand the difference.
I mean, that scene with the father is clearly not meant to glorify his actions. He is a bad person. A story that has sexist characters does not make the game itself sexist. It's very strange that the writer can't seem to understand the difference.
Yeah, everything has been said in this thread. The author basically missed the point, they are the bad guys.
Yikes that is some terrible writing.
Yes, battle fodder that leaves after a few attacks are much, much more powerful than my characters who can summon fucking meteors. lol.
The bad guys in part of this game were guys who were bad.
But stretched out and depicted as a negative for...reasons.
But stretched out and depicted as a negative for...reasons.
I actually feel like Primrose's story was the most effective one because of this, it made you more invested in the story because you actually despised the bosses at the end of each chapter, and it felt extra satisfying to kill these motherfuckers.
Whereas some of the other characters it's like why am I fighting this forest monster, he didn't do anything wrong. Poor little snake monster :(
Whereas some of the other characters it's like why am I fighting this forest monster, he didn't do anything wrong. Poor little snake monster :(
It's a rough period of time in a rough land. People are murdered, ritualistically slain, burnt at the stake, or killed by disease pretty much across the entire game. The issues raised in those excerpts seem more about world-building to me than glorifying in sexism.
I cannot agree with this, Primrose is a very strong female protagonist and Tressa went off to the world to make a name for herself.
User Banned (1 Week): Dismissing concerns about sexism as 'fragility'.
So now depicting sexist assholes makes you a sexist asshole?
So fragile lol
So fragile lol
this! did the writer stop playing the primrose story halfway because they thought it will have a different ending?
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