Except the polls said him winning was completely possible.
They may support him, but they don't think he's doing a good job. Plus he's pissed off millions of people who his positions hurt.
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The shit the GOP is pulling these days is going to come bite them in the ass down the line, right?
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Except the polls said him winning was completely possible.
They may support him, but they don't think he's doing a good job. Plus he's pissed off millions of people who his positions hurt.
If his base ever turns on him (lol), the GOP will just find a way to blame Donald on Hillary, somehow, and it will all be fine.
I'm black in America, man. Tell me what "benefit" I am reaping as a citizen. You're referencing a constitution written by slaveholders, as if that's some saving grace. Seriously? And please name the other countries founded on the same still standing pillars of genocide that this one was.
The nuclear option being invoked for SCOTUS justices will destroy them when it's the Dems' turn to nominate a justice
It's infuriating that the same people who complain about the rich getting richer and the poor and middle class getting shafted and neglected are the Republican voter base, and these fools are disillusioned into thinking that those gosh darn Democrats are to blame for all of society's woes. Not the Republican party, who has shown time and time again to be a party that aligns itself with the rich class's interests, and is very much so anti-poor. Make no mistake, the Democrats have their flaws, but keeping the Democrats in power ensures that everyone is on a path to gradual progress. Eventually, we may reach a point where a further left political party can attain power and influence if the GOP voter base can reject the Republican party for good, and have a change of heart for the Democrats. I believe this ultimately comes down to the GOP voter base needing to be educated as to who has their best interests at heart, and for there to be an understanding to be made. Those who are informed about politics and economics should sit the GOP voter base down, and rationally and calmly explain to them what the reality is, without ridicule or raising their voice.
Are we really going to pretend as if most of us looked at the polls leading up to election night didn't think they would bear out a win for Hillary, only to be devastatingly proven wrong? If most of the public wants him gone, with a party in power that stands to lose their majority yet does nothing in the face of his daily outrages, how can we place faith in any poll? Doesn't there exist a possibility that the Republicans know they will retain their hold over congress as long as they protect Trump and allow him to continue making America great again?
Well, you're playing videogames, happily participating in American consumerism, freely voicing your opinions, have a great deal of rights you wouldn't have otherwise. If you want our constitution destroyed and think that will somehow be better for you... don't know what to tell you. It's a constitution developed to be modified and has been to mixed success. 2/3 of the founding fathers being slave holders has little to do with the modern text, which protects you in a lot of ways.
The only reason you don't enjoy the full rights granted to you by our constitution is a breaking down of rule of law, where our justice system has decided the constitution doesn't apply to everybody, and certain (white) people are above the law. Funny thing is, what you seem to want is exactly what white supremecists such as Bannon, Trump, Miller, Spencer and others push for. The complete destruction of our government as we know it.
As for history, you don't think nation states came about through everyone getting together, holding hands, and agreeing to a common ruling government do you? Nations are where they are through a long line of bloody wars, genocide, and enslavement of the native populations.
That's not the polls' fault. It's just collected data. Most people can't even do basic algebra, much less understand statistics and probability.
Are you really trying to tell me that because I can turn on my PS4 or watch the Warriors play ball on TV, I'm enjoying some "benefit" that should make me thankful for being an American, in spite of the fact I am victimized by racism every single day I walk out of my home? Is that what you're saying? So, because the constitution is being occasionally followed to preserve some semblance of stability in our country, I should be thankful that the document in which the "rights" of our citizenry are enshrined was drafted by men who held my ancestors in centuries long enslavement that has left a toll which their descendants (and, frankly, all non blacks in this country) have not paid? And no, Bannon and his ilk aren't pushing for anarchism, which would be the complete disintegration of the state. They want a removal of all regulations and checks put in place that have prevented the government they believe to be representative of the America they envision. There is a difference.
I don't want this country to burn. What I want is those who are supposedly outraged by what the Republican party embodies to be frank and honest about what we are facing in this country. This idea that we can correct this at the ballot is absurd, in my opinion.
US attitudes towards white supremacy haven't really become more prominent. While the rich are becoming powerful, their political leanings are not homogeneous. A large portion of the 1% are Democrat leaning. So I wouldn't really argue that either of these influence US political direction in one way or the other, especially given how scatter brained public opinion has been over the last few decades.
Honestly I don't think so. Right now nothings actually impacted Republican voters, the horrible Obamacare replacement failed, taxes have yet to pass, ect. They haven't been able to get much of anything done and so because of that most Republicans and certainly Trump voters can just continue to blame the left and call them obstructionists and get away with it because people don't understand how bad shit would be if what they were trying to constantly pass got put through. Until shit effects peoples bottom line personally and they can clearly see its the Republican efforts that have done that then they'll continue to be duped like fools.
Yep. Though the festering madness and evil that has infected a third of this country is largely as bad as it is because of the right-wing brainwashing machine. As long as it exists intact, we don't live in a true democracy, since so many voters are incapable of rational thought. That's not to say that these were all fantastic people before Fox News started working its black magic---you have to want to believe their bullshit pretty hard to not immediately bounce off of it.
If we can find some way to disrupt the propaganda machine, or if it starts unraveling on its own, we might have a chance. Without it, the fascists would actually be at the mercy of public opinion and the consequences of their actions.
No, we have a two party system.
Even if they lose massively with all this trump shit, they'll just go back to being obstructionists and playing the same divisive strings back into power.
Even if they lose massively with all this trump shit, they'll just go back to being obstructionists and playing the same divisive strings back into power.
It will come back to bite them in the ass, but it's going to take a bit longer than you think. The younger generations of America have now lived through Clinton, Bush, Obama, Trump. They have come to now possess considerable political observations, and the overwhelming narrative is that the democrats performed better. This is probably the reason the republican to democrat conversion rate is currently so high. There are consequences, but for this, it won't really be felt for ~16 years.
This reminds me of the movie The Big Short where the whole housing industry was being propped up by sheer force of will and inertia, until one day the bubble just burst.
The Republican party bubble has been growing much more slowly, for decades, and it feels like it's finally going to burst.
The Republican party bubble has been growing much more slowly, for decades, and it feels like it's finally going to burst.
But maybe things'll be different this time
Humanity was a mistake
As a lot of people already emphasized, the Republican Party has manipulated the culture, mentality, prejudice and hatred of baby boomers and Southerns for decades. That isn't going to change overnight, and the continuous cycle of the two-party system isn't going to help Democrats. Who gives a damn if the Trump base begins to eventually turn on him by his continual incompetence? Will they ever vote Democratic, or vote toward a political party that leans left? Fat chance no. This is the same country that voted Reagan barely after Nixon, and his conservative revolution is still being felt close to forty years later. It will only truly end somewhat when the baby boomers die off, but I wonder what will be left of this country to recover in the mean time. The damage might be far too systemic and wide-reaching to fix while the U.S. continues to lose prominence and power in the midst of other world powers taking its place.
Well the gamergaters are stepping up to take the conservative baby boomers' place but be way, way, worse, so, you know, don't be sure things'll get more rational anytime soon when the boomers bite it. White men will keep doing an absolute bangup job of reacting poorly to sharing their power with other people, no worries
No. History is destined to repeat itself.
The Democratic party that emerges in the wake of Trump will always attempt to strike a deal with the racist, bigoted and evangelical Republican party. Gerrymandering will ensure that the GOP will stay in the majority with 35% to 38% support. Corporations will likely regress on civil rights as they secure their control over every sector of the coming privatization of government under Republican control.
Even if Trump is removed the institutions have been radicalized, police forces are militarized and the country is polorized for the next couple decades. Its going to mimic Germany in the 1930's and you will see a lot of the intellectual and scientific community abandon US research institutions in favor for Europe as their funding disappears or is swallowed up by corporate interests furthering the intellectual divide, leaving the rot to fester.
Every act a minority does will be amplified while crimes against minorities will largly be supressed. White people will wrap themselves in the flag and shield themselves behind patriotism as they openly attack those that dont accept there place.
Along with Climate Change, the US will likely destablize the world, resulting in an armed conflict against us in the next 50 to 75 years. After that, statues will likely be erected honoring those who guided us down this path of destruction: The GOP
Like I said, No. Its more likely that they will be remembered fondly like all of the civil war criminals are by those who today control all 3 branches of the government.
The Democratic party that emerges in the wake of Trump will always attempt to strike a deal with the racist, bigoted and evangelical Republican party. Gerrymandering will ensure that the GOP will stay in the majority with 35% to 38% support. Corporations will likely regress on civil rights as they secure their control over every sector of the coming privatization of government under Republican control.
Even if Trump is removed the institutions have been radicalized, police forces are militarized and the country is polorized for the next couple decades. Its going to mimic Germany in the 1930's and you will see a lot of the intellectual and scientific community abandon US research institutions in favor for Europe as their funding disappears or is swallowed up by corporate interests furthering the intellectual divide, leaving the rot to fester.
Every act a minority does will be amplified while crimes against minorities will largly be supressed. White people will wrap themselves in the flag and shield themselves behind patriotism as they openly attack those that dont accept there place.
Along with Climate Change, the US will likely destablize the world, resulting in an armed conflict against us in the next 50 to 75 years. After that, statues will likely be erected honoring those who guided us down this path of destruction: The GOP
Like I said, No. Its more likely that they will be remembered fondly like all of the civil war criminals are by those who today control all 3 branches of the government.
No one knows for sure what will happen in the future, full stop.
but tbh, at this point, I'm just not feeling that optimistic. Give this shit 10 years, and I feel like the human brain will pretty much be hacked from a marketing/propaganda perspective, and Russia, the GOP..whoever, insert blank...can pretty much put whatever they want out there and 25%-60% of the population minimum is going to be helpless to it. We're too fucking stupid, we're stuck in our American dream, we're in a magic technological bubble we don't understand, and we just ain't in control.
Americans as a whole do have the power to say, "OK, we fucked up, we need to catch up, our world is rapidly changing we need to come to terms with our (in many ways horrific) history and a future that is anything but stagnant, and that has challenges that are bigger than we can solve with 'AMERICA #1, FUK OFF, GET FUKT FOREIGNERS AND/OR MINORITIES', and we need to educate ourselves and our children about the new and still-changing nature of propaganda and war in the 21st century."
We might! But, I'm not just very confident we will do it in time in this point. I'll feel lucky to live in a world in 20 years in which some other country/union is able to save us from ourselves.
but tbh, at this point, I'm just not feeling that optimistic. Give this shit 10 years, and I feel like the human brain will pretty much be hacked from a marketing/propaganda perspective, and Russia, the GOP..whoever, insert blank...can pretty much put whatever they want out there and 25%-60% of the population minimum is going to be helpless to it. We're too fucking stupid, we're stuck in our American dream, we're in a magic technological bubble we don't understand, and we just ain't in control.
Americans as a whole do have the power to say, "OK, we fucked up, we need to catch up, our world is rapidly changing we need to come to terms with our (in many ways horrific) history and a future that is anything but stagnant, and that has challenges that are bigger than we can solve with 'AMERICA #1, FUK OFF, GET FUKT FOREIGNERS AND/OR MINORITIES', and we need to educate ourselves and our children about the new and still-changing nature of propaganda and war in the 21st century."
We might! But, I'm not just very confident we will do it in time in this point. I'll feel lucky to live in a world in 20 years in which some other country/union is able to save us from ourselves.
Something's going to give considering the shrinking share of the white population. That's likely going to be the driving force of change in american politics.
They'll try upping the white vote for them even further, and try to make hispanics honorary white people to broaden that caucus, but if that doesn't work all they can do is suppress democracy any way they can. We see it with gerrymandering and voter suppression, but even straight up election fraud is not out of the realm of possibility through sheer desperation.
If it can only be the end of the republican party as we know it or democracy as we know it, given that choice, which one do you think republicans will choose?
They'll try upping the white vote for them even further, and try to make hispanics honorary white people to broaden that caucus, but if that doesn't work all they can do is suppress democracy any way they can. We see it with gerrymandering and voter suppression, but even straight up election fraud is not out of the realm of possibility through sheer desperation.
If it can only be the end of the republican party as we know it or democracy as we know it, given that choice, which one do you think republicans will choose?
The spin from the Republicans would be insane, and many of the public would be more than happy to welcome.
Also doesn't help that supposed lefties would digest their spin and probably be more than happy to extend a hand out because of "bipartisanship".
I just hope progressives and young kids that are just turning 18 go out and vote in large numbers next year. Maybe even pull the mainstream Democrats to the left. I'm very naive and childish, I know.
Also doesn't help that supposed lefties would digest their spin and probably be more than happy to extend a hand out because of "bipartisanship".
I just hope progressives and young kids that are just turning 18 go out and vote in large numbers next year. Maybe even pull the mainstream Democrats to the left. I'm very naive and childish, I know.
Things go in cycles. Look at the shit they pulled in the Jim Crow era, the civil rights era, Nixon/Watergate etc. and still bounced back later on.
Pretty much every country has genocide in its past.
Also, the constitution isn't as right wing libertarians say it is. It is a living document that has evolved over the course of centuries. It has gone from a document that only protected plantation owners, rich farmers and merchants to a document that guarantees freedom and equal treatment. The ideal isn't lived up to but millions of people died to establish that as the ideal the country strives towards.
The GOP were the good guys during Jim Crow and Civil Rights.
I'm waiting for the day when the resolution in Congress passes that one white vote actually counts as 4 votes. And votes from minorities are half-votes.
This will never change as long as the US has such an incredibly shitty and undemocratic system. It is supported by both major parties, so both parties are responsible for the current mess, along with all the people who vote for those two parties. People who respect 'the constitution' should be ridiculed, and people should fight to change as much as possible.
But instead, people favor short term (perceived) economic gain over enduring freedom and democracy.
A two-party system will divide the people and empower the two parties. The 'us versus them' becomes a reason to support shitty politicians because they are on 'our' side, and attack good politicians when they are on 'their side'.
When you've got a parliament, where each seat can be filled by getting one seats worth of votes across the country, each member of parliament can be judged on his own merit, and people will have more choice. This will put more power in the hands of the people as politicians are not as glued to their seats. Any 'us versus them' divide will be between 'those in power' and 'everybody else, including the people', which is much healthier in a civil discourse.
But instead, people favor short term (perceived) economic gain over enduring freedom and democracy.
A two-party system will divide the people and empower the two parties. The 'us versus them' becomes a reason to support shitty politicians because they are on 'our' side, and attack good politicians when they are on 'their side'.
When you've got a parliament, where each seat can be filled by getting one seats worth of votes across the country, each member of parliament can be judged on his own merit, and people will have more choice. This will put more power in the hands of the people as politicians are not as glued to their seats. Any 'us versus them' divide will be between 'those in power' and 'everybody else, including the people', which is much healthier in a civil discourse.
It's sad, but even if his approval was at 1% and he ran in 2020 his base would still vote for him rather than a democrat. And they'll never vote democrat at the state level.
We need a better informed populace in order to change politics. We are also in dire need of voting reform. Online voting, polls open all weekend, etc. Once more people can easily vote we'll see a major shift towards more rational politics.
Yes, but most of us were reading the polls wrong.
Nate Silver gave Trump a ~33% chance of winning. Most of us round that down to 0% mentally because humans are shit at probability, but anyone statistically literate knows it's not that unlikely. Complaining about polls because of that is like a statistician telling you that the average roll on a six-sided die is 3.5, and then claiming that rolling a 2 is proves this whole probability business is bullshit.