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The Sims features an LGBTQ couple on a game cover for the first time ever (SEE STAFF POST)
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Thank you, the "lesbian privilege" nonsense that permeates the LGBT community on these discussions is endlessly frustrating. Straight men are violently opposed to romantic lesbian relationships in media and in real life; they only find lesbians "hot" in a pornographic context where they can insert themselves into a threesome.
People bitching about how lesbians supposedly have it better is, frankly, offensive.
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Surprised this is the first time for the Sims tbh, figured it would have been a lot sooner than now. Real shame the game itself is pretty bad compared to previous entries.
EA, for all their faults, has always been head and shoulders above the competition with gender and sexuality representation, and have been for 10+ years. When I got the free copy of Sims 4 recently I was surprised and impressed by their gender options - choose your body, choose your walk, choose your identity, choose whatever combination of hair and clothing you want. It's completely free and open.
The Sims has gotta be the biggest EA franchise outside of the usual "20-something dudes" sphere, so it makes sense they'd be making the biggest strides there.
The Sims has gotta be the biggest EA franchise outside of the usual "20-something dudes" sphere, so it makes sense they'd be making the biggest strides there.
Another thing I really dig is how Maxis puts PoC front and center on their box art. They're the main focal point, not sequestered to the back as some kind of side character. Also love that they treat interracial marriage as a total non-issue. Instead of being something "you can do"..."if you really have to", they just throw it up there on the box cover art, giving zero f's.
It's so gd refreshing.
Yeah, this. Sims has always felt for me (albeit as someone who's not touched the series after the first game, so it could be borne of ignorance) as one that was inherently massively open-minded; I'm really surprised they hadn't made the step towards that being depicted on the cover previously.
As a gay guy, I feel kind of grossed out by other guys not accepting that this is a good thing to our community overall.
Guys, we as gay men get represented a lot more everywhere than lesbians do, they're mostly ignored and/or pushed aside, it's not always about us.
Guys, we as gay men get represented a lot more everywhere than lesbians do, they're mostly ignored and/or pushed aside, it's not always about us.
A quick tip for MCCC. When you set the chance that a Sim of the chosen group can get pregnant, that is per Sim, not overall. By default it checks the entire Adult Female age group and runs a 20% check three times per week.
I pretty much cut mine down to 2% to avoid the city getting overrun in a generation. Babies everywhere!
But tweak it however you like. That's kind of the point of it.
It's pretty crappy that people are tossing this cool nod in the trash. This is neat! Putting trans people on the cover would be sweet although we shouldn't assume that people aren't.
What do you think the L stands for in LGBTQ? My fellow gay men being the most like usual in this thread I see.
But I... don't feel like that's true. Representation of gay/bi/queer men in video games is abysmal.
I mean, to be clear: representation of gay/bi/queer women in video games isn't amazing either, and the reason it's (marginally) better is rooted in misogyny and fetishization. No one is "winning" here when the prize is breadcrumbs. Ultimately The Sims 4 cover is really cool and I'm glad! And, yes, I can acknowledge it must be supremely frustrating to not feel like you can celebrate this one thing without getting sucked into the same circular conversation that pits gay men vs gay women against each other unnecessarily. Nonetheless, my perspective as a gay man is that I see myself in gaming practically never. That's frustrating too.
That's the thing, one thing is one thing, the other is a different thing. We can be happy for their representation and hope for our representation will get better, but also in this particular case, it's clearly not being portrayed to appease to the average straight male gamer.
I don't see myself in gaming, but I also won't complain about it and diminish when other people are starting to get some space in this niche. At least where I live, gay men are so much more accepted than lesbians or bisexuals that I do not mind that, in a game cover or a few particular games, women are finally being represented. We'll eventually get there, but not if we diminish each other's advances.
I am happy whenever under-represented flavors of love get a little place in the spotlight.
I don't play the Sims, i know i would be an addict to that kind of playloop ;)
I don't think i have seen a satisfying lesbian representation in games, the few that might have had gotten there ended up in death... thank you writers.
but this is another matter.
So ! i am with you OP, let's celebrate !
I don't play the Sims, i know i would be an addict to that kind of playloop ;)
I don't think i have seen a satisfying lesbian representation in games, the few that might have had gotten there ended up in death... thank you writers.
but this is another matter.
So ! i am with you OP, let's celebrate !
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One of my Sims just befriended one of them and that's how I got to know that these two were a couple!Another detail I forgot about: Island Living also features a lesbian on the cover.
Felt like it might be good to update this thread with some more great Sims inclusiveness.
The "main character" of the Realm of Magic promotional stuff (including box art) is non-binary and/or trans, depending on how you want to see them/him.
A dev has said "I would definitely think Morgyn would identify as nonbinary or gender fluid." to a simmer (source) but there isn't an actual in-game official bio for Morgyn or open confirmation on Twitter or anything, so you are basically free to make up your own mind about them/him based on the info we do have, which is this:
Morgyn has been set as "male" (meaning he/him pronouns in the game*) with the "masculine" frame but cannot make other sims pregnant or become pregnant, can't use the toilet standing up and uses both female-coded and male-coded clothing.
*Do note that we don't have they/them as an option (yet?) so pronouns are still only binary. (Might partly be a translation problem?)
The "main character" of the Realm of Magic promotional stuff (including box art) is non-binary and/or trans, depending on how you want to see them/him.
A dev has said "I would definitely think Morgyn would identify as nonbinary or gender fluid." to a simmer (source) but there isn't an actual in-game official bio for Morgyn or open confirmation on Twitter or anything, so you are basically free to make up your own mind about them/him based on the info we do have, which is this:
Morgyn has been set as "male" (meaning he/him pronouns in the game*) with the "masculine" frame but cannot make other sims pregnant or become pregnant, can't use the toilet standing up and uses both female-coded and male-coded clothing.
*Do note that we don't have they/them as an option (yet?) so pronouns are still only binary. (Might partly be a translation problem?)
EA is pro inclusivity compared to a lot of publishers but smh, the most progressive forum on the internet (this place) hates the publisher with a big passion.
Yes sure, MTX are bad and everything, but what they do for women and LGBTQ+ people is remarkable and they don't get enough credit for that.
Yes sure, MTX are bad and everything, but what they do for women and LGBTQ+ people is remarkable and they don't get enough credit for that.
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These are Morgyn's preset outfits. They're definitely designed to be gender nonconforming.
Wow I missed that completely while playing. That's awesome to see. Except that swimming outfit hat. It needs to go.
Uh, you could see it this way: The interface presents you with these names you input, but they refer to eachother with their simlish names that you don't have access to. The same way you think you're buying them a cupboard, not a skrujenbaja.
Felt like it might be good to update this thread with some more great Sims inclusiveness.
The "main character" of the Realm of Magic promotional stuff (including box art) is non-binary and/or trans, depending on how you want to see them/him.
A dev has said "I would definitely think Morgyn would identify as nonbinary or gender fluid." to a simmer (source) but there isn't an actual in-game official bio for Morgyn or open confirmation on Twitter or anything, so you are basically free to make up your own mind about them/him based on the info we do have, which is this:
Morgyn has been set as "male" (meaning he/him pronouns in the game*) with the "masculine" frame but cannot make other sims pregnant or become pregnant, can't use the toilet standing up and uses both female-coded and male-coded clothing.
*Do note that we don't have they/them as an option (yet?) so pronouns are still only binary. (Might partly be a translation problem?)
Oh this is neat. Somehow missed the original post so this is a delicious double-layer of good.These are Morgyn's preset outfits. They're definitely designed to be gender nonconforming.