Ah, thought it read was using a Pixelbook as a hub and hooked into a Samsung TV which I figured would be a 4k display at a demo station.
Regardless, pixelbooks should have 4k displays...they are pricey enough.
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Ah, thought it read was using a Pixelbook as a hub and hooked into a Samsung TV which I figured would be a 4k display at a demo station.
Regardless, pixelbooks should have 4k displays...they are pricey enough.
Stadia = streaming "PC" games
xcloud = streaming Console (because they stream actual console version of games over console hardware) games
so they are also two different things.
on stadia for example it should be possible to play games like Tarkov, while on xcloud not.
so they are not really even competitors, just like two different platforms.
and being invested in Xbox ecosystem and owning a XOX, I'm really more interested in stadia than xcloud...
xcloud = streaming Console (because they stream actual console version of games over console hardware) games
so they are also two different things.
on stadia for example it should be possible to play games like Tarkov, while on xcloud not.
so they are not really even competitors, just like two different platforms.
and being invested in Xbox ecosystem and owning a XOX, I'm really more interested in stadia than xcloud...
It was, but that doesn't mean the TV wasn't 1080p or they weren't, say, using the 1080p stream because of likely dicey internet at the E3 exhibition hall.
I don't know how you can manage this. My brain cannot tolerate the slightest input lag when playing m/kb. I'm not talking about performing better, just the fact you feel the lag a ton more when playing with a mouse.
Could be the case, but why not have the best setup for demo purposes?
I tried PS Now yesterday for the first time. And it was not that bad really. Living in Portugal I thought I would get a bad experience but not at all.
The lag despite being noticiable was not that big of a problem. Got through the first 3 chapters of Ninja Gaiden Sigma 2 without any hiccups. Can't talk much about image quality since the resolution isn't great to begin with.
I can see streaming being good for singleplayer games.
The lag despite being noticiable was not that big of a problem. Got through the first 3 chapters of Ninja Gaiden Sigma 2 without any hiccups. Can't talk much about image quality since the resolution isn't great to begin with.
I can see streaming being good for singleplayer games.
Not perfect but for most singleplayer games is fine. Assuming you're getting low latency like I did.
Definitely not a joke imo
I'm out the loop, How would i get to use Stadia on my 4K oled TV? Would i have to purchase chromecast ultra or something?
Be an interesting one streaming a game in 4K/60/HDR, The cross save Destiny 2 has me intruiged but man i need that picture quality and low input lag.
Be an interesting one streaming a game in 4K/60/HDR, The cross save Destiny 2 has me intruiged but man i need that picture quality and low input lag.
This!
If I'm gonna give this a whirl next year or so, it's gonna be for 4K at least.
was misssing this info. interesting and thanks to bring me this to light
going to get more technical details about it.
Personally I think applying examples of Google killing services to Stadia is overblown. Mostly they've streamlined several competing services/projects into a single one (Duo, Hangouts, Allo, Meet). Other times they've killed projects that were announced as experimental and aspirational from jump (Google Glass). Maybe the most painful Google cancellation was Fiber, but that failed precisely because they weren't able to roll it out to a lot of users.
I don't think there are many (any?) examples of Google cancelling a service that resulted in the termination of a license or loss of data on a mass scale. Something like Google Play going down and screwing you out of store purchases, or Youtube movie purchases getting wiped out.
But even with those concerns, we now know the answer: there are going to be subscriptions. Ubisoft announced the first one with Uplay+. It's pretty much inevitable that EA, Bethesda, 2K, etc will follow.
The bigger problem i see is not that games will be locked to the service, but that games will be fragmented across too many subscriptions. Am I going to be switching from EA to Ubi to 2K every 3 months? That sounds pretty tedious. And fwiw, I don't think that will be just a Stadia problem. It'll definitely be on PC, and probably on consoles too.
I feel like it's going to go both ways. Some people here are going to be massively disappointed when there is noticeable lag and artifacting on their new $60(ish) Stadia game purchase. And just wait for a big game to come out and the service has a few hiccups and people are getting horrible lag time on their new game purchase.
On the other hand, a lot of the naysayers are going to be surprised how well this works and how it does add a convenience factor they didn't think about.
Awesome, I'm really excited for this. Just waiting for the game library to come up to snuff. This is probably a pipe dream but I'm hoping that *most* games get stadia support.
My experience with Project Stream was near enough to flawless, but my thoughts were tha Assassins Creed is a perfect game for that because it's not a precise, twitch based game, and Doom is much more precise.
My experience with Project Stream was near enough to flawless, but my thoughts were tha Assassins Creed is a perfect game for that because it's not a precise, twitch based game, and Doom is much more precise.
Yep...they do it to themselves. Even Matt from NPD said streaming now will be very niche.
The only major publisher not listed so far is Activision/Blizzard.
I don't know. I did the Google network test of AssCreed: Odyssey over a business connection and that was not a very pleasant experience.
Exactly streaming work for some content (at least for me), people who think that can go online with these services hitting headshots like crazy and destroying opponents in fighting games that are playing locally will be disappointed
No the difference is you have to own a pc or console to do that type of streaming from your own hardware
This requires no gaming hardware
100% agree with your sentiments. I believe there's a lot of negative and positive influencers in social media, reddit, and maybe on this forum pushing one thing or the next. We just need to listen to what these influencers/opinion pieces and critically think for ourselves.
Because in this case, the new technology results in a worse experience for the consumer than just playing it natively on dedicated hardware.
The truth.
Some figures:
16ms equals 1 frame in a 60fps game.
33ms equals 1 frame in a 30fps game.
I don't know the minimum latency in either Stadia or xCloud but I've heard them talk about less than 10ms in best case scenario. So, less than 1 frame. Nobody would notice that.
Although, I get 35ms ping time when I ping the nearest Stadia datacenter from my location. This would mean
2 frames latency in a 60fps games for Stadia, with no other latency added from TV etc. But I still doubt it would be noticeable unless you're a competing fighting game player.
What are you basing that on?
I am holding off making any strong opinions until I actually try it out.
Also there are some advantages to streaming that give you options to date you could not get on consoles. Now that everything is going digital if they can get it close enough to native hardware I would be tempted by a streaming future IF they can actually deliver.
This plus loss of ownership..how people don't understand this is beyond me. It's an option though so that's not a bad thing.
As a Cloud as a alternative believer, I think both Stadia and xCloud will deliver on their premises, I'm really interested on Stadia and I really want to try it, but like other said, there's still a lot to improve on the cloud service, mostly on the response time and latency.
For the record, I'm using Geforce Now on a unsupported country (Mexico) @200 MB/s and 50 MB/s and it works flawlessly on both cases
For the record, I'm using Geforce Now on a unsupported country (Mexico) @200 MB/s and 50 MB/s and it works flawlessly on both cases
Yeah and I don't even care about Activision/BLizzard. I think listijng publishers doesn't really mean all their titles will be on their or released at the same time. I'm also hoping for a lot of indie/small studios to be up there.
There's also a lot of games that have traditionally been absent on PC and I wonder whether publishers will treat this as a PC-like platform, as as a console-like platform. For instance, EA releases most of their major IPs on PCs, but yearly annual releases like Madden, NHL, Fifa, etc., had ignored PC for about ~15 years. Madden recently launched on PC last year, and it'll be interesting if they're consistent with that going forward. Madden is like the exact type of game I want on Stadia, because it's a game I can play on my TV, but also do things like roster management, franchise mode, and other small things from my phone or work computer. (As much as Madden sucks these days, I still usually enjoy good franchise sims)
1. Any application of this audience is going to be severely limited until Internet infrastructure is expanded, at least here in the United States, where I assume you live and I live.
2. Related to 1, bandwidth caps will curtail this as well, perhaps it's a good thing that more of these services are popping up because it puts pressure on the FCC to be less of a corporate arm of these ISPs.
3. The bitrate/compression will be present in these streams of games, it will be unavoidable.
4. Then the latency, which will be dependent on how close you are to these data centers.
Or I can play games without any of these things and I can also own the games to boot. I get people being enamored with the potential convenience of this tech, but I am definitely wary of a company like Google entering into it. At least Microsoft has a history in games.
On a separate note i am quite surprised how many people in the US have data caps being exploited by corporate America.
I pay 70$ a month ( kinda expensive where I live ) for a 50mb unlimited internet , I use an average of 500 gb a month and I live in a fucking rural area in the Middle East .
I pay 70$ a month ( kinda expensive where I live ) for a 50mb unlimited internet , I use an average of 500 gb a month and I live in a fucking rural area in the Middle East .
Crazy how most people here don't realize that these streaming products aren't targeting toward them, and in turn take a shit on it
Those are legitimate concerns but I am still going to try and see what it is actually like before I dismiss it.
It's not like I am throwing my PS4 in the garbage based on their announcements, but if they can actually pull it off there are also some cool tings that come with the tech. Not the least of which is the freedom to play on a lot of different devices.
I'm not telling anyone not to try it. I'm just pushing back on the narrative that some in this thread are pushing that anyone criticizing it is just an old man yelling at a cloud.
The device freedom is definitely a plus!
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I would change this to read, "the new technology results in a worse experience for a certain subset of consumers who are going to be more aware of minor imperfections that they wouldn't have if playing it natively on dedicated hardware." I think the overwhelming majority of people won't care about a small amount of input lag or the occasional resolution hiccup.
Yeah you're right that listing publishers doesn't equal blanket support. The level of EA support in particular is unclear right now, though there was a specific "EA Sports" logo in the Stadia Connect video.
My guess is that publishers are going to treat Stadia like a console. We already heard that Assassin's Creed for Stadia was ported from the console version. Google is pushing a controller and a chromecast, clearly favoring a 4k TV livingroom experience.
That said, there's nothing specifically gamepad-centric about Stadia. I think we'll also see PC-ass-PC-games on the service as well. SEGA has been an aggressive Linux supporter, especially with their PC strategy games. No reason these couldn't come to Stadia without gamepad support.
If we're getting a 4k60 experience with next-gen graphics, beyond that of PS4 Pro / X1X, what exactly is casual about it? Are all PS4 owners casual because they're getting an experience inferior to the absolute best PC? How about Switch owners?
Roaming peasant filth
Casual= Consoles are like football clubs with a century old tradition, Stadia is a club bought by sheiks. Disgusting.
How so? Because of the pricing? The ease of use?
A 11tf gaming hardware able to stream 60fps game content without noticeable latency seems to aim directly at core gamers imo. Maybe not CS players but console gamers are used to waaay worse stats than we see and hear about here.
I'd like to see some updated PS Now performance stats. Around launch Eurogamer claimed input lag from as little as 4ms to as high as 60ms or so IIRC. In my experience input lag has been a non-issue. I can't sit here and it wasn't noticeable like in the article posted (Sonic generations I would say playability was impacted), but for the majority of games I've tried you simply forget you're even streaming. You don't even think about it.
Sony needs to add Downloads to Ps NOW (5 years running service) to increase the numbers of subscriptions, that should be a pretty clear sign of how the market receive these services.
The real problem is there are so many stuff behind the streaming services that actually doesn't depend on SONY/Google/MS or even the user.
Did I enjoy Assassins Creed in project stream or God Eater in Ps Now?
Shure...even with Assassin Creed lowering the resolution constantly.
Did it play the same as a local console?
Not..hell NOT even close.
I do not even imagine myself playing using my mobile data in my Phone...LOL
The real problem is there are so many stuff behind the streaming services that actually doesn't depend on SONY/Google/MS or even the user.
Did I enjoy Assassins Creed in project stream or God Eater in Ps Now?
Shure...even with Assassin Creed lowering the resolution constantly.
Did it play the same as a local console?
Not..hell NOT even close.
I do not even imagine myself playing using my mobile data in my Phone...LOL
I wouldn't consider myself a causal, but I am very much interested. Competitive Fighters or Shooters aren't the only core gamers....
They offer to just PS4 games i think,But yeah they need to offer the download option to all BC games.