The Verge: The Xbox One is the best console if you don’t care about exclusive new games

HBK

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Are there any games that you do think appeal to everyone?
I dunno. Tetris maybe?

But you know what I mean. I just got a kick recently seeing that thread which read like people were apologizing for not playing God of War. Seriously guys (and gals), It's ok if you don't play the latest popular game. You shouldn't feel the need to have some group therapy about it.
 

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Oh man this thread is depressing. "Please go back and play old games" new games are not important. Oh well im out.
 

Ahasverus

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It's funny because people are comparing ps4 to the Bone when Nintendo is also a monster exclusive machine, which means the One is the only one of those consoles without intrinsic exclusive-lead value.
Is that true? I thought the newest Assassin Creed on XB1X looked better than anything on the PS4. Is that not true?
You know the ps4pro exists right? And the game looks about the same as it does on the x, only with a slightly lower resolution that at that point becomes negligible,, specially playing at 1080p.
Some people around here should really stop believing that anyone would kill their mom to play Uncharted, God of War and HZD. They're popular games but they don't appeal to everyone.
How about Nier? Persona? Shadow of the the Colossus? Bloodborne? The ps4 exclusive lineup is out of thisbworld for all tastes tbh. Some of the best games of the generation period are exclusive.
 

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A bit ironic that Sony exclusive still look better than anything on Xbox One X though. What's the best hardware good for when you don't have the games to support it? Maybe they can catch up at E3 when they show the next wave of Halo, Fable, Gears and Forza.
(Full disclosure: former PS4 owner, current PC / Xbox One X (as of last week) / Switch owner - potentially taking a Pro off the hands of a friend for cheap when he moves this summer)

You know, I actually kind of agree with you to some extent. PS exclusives look amazing. As several people have mentioned already, they really are very impressive visually. But to be fair, most of these games were in late development or finished before X1X was released. It's still very new with a lot of untapped potential.

The common thread is just that they feel little shallow / cut-scene heavy / restrictive or on-rails for me most of the time. I totally get why most of my friends flip out over them and don't even give Xbox a second look - they're just not my style. But hey - neither are MS exclusives. I'm one of the crazy mythical people who primarily play 3rd party games on everything but the Switch.

Gimme Spiderman though - when deciding between X1X & PS4 Pro last week, that was the only game that really made me hesitate for a minute.
 

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It's funny because people are comparing ps4 to the Bone when Nintendo is also a monster exclusive machine, which means the One is the only one of those consoles without intrinsic exclusive-lead value.

You know the ps4pro exists right? And the game looks about the same as it does on the x, only with a slightly lower resolution that at that point becomes negligible,, specially playing at 1080p.
Huh

Quite the caveats you've laid out here. "looks ABOUT the same"... Uh ok

Difference is "negligible"... Lol

Limiting the game to a 1080p TV. Omg pls

It still looks best on Xbox. It's okay to admit it. X is more powerful. It SHOULD look better
 
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I gave out my xbox and 360 games so bc is meaningless to me. Plus the fact I only have time for new games. Heck I got a switch instead of the 1x.
 

Ahasverus

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Huh

Quite the caveats you've laid out here. "looks ABOUT the same"... Uh ok

Difference is "negligible"... Lol

Limiting the game to a 1080p TV. Omg pls

It still looks best on Xbox. It's okay to admit it. X is more powerful. It SHOULD look better
I mean it looks clearer in 4K I guess, that doesn't magically give it shaders, effects and rendering techniques that you can find of ps4 exclusives.
 

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(Full disclosure: former PS4 owner, current PC / Xbox One X (as of last week) / Switch owner - potentially taking a Pro off the hands of a friend for cheap when he moves this summer)

You know, I actually kind of agree with you to some extent. PS exclusives look amazing. As several people have mentioned already, they really are very impressive visually. But to be fair, most of these games were in late development or finished before X1X was released. It's still very new with a lot of untapped potential.

The common thread is just that they feel little shallow / cut-scene heavy / restrictive or on-rails for me most of the time. I totally get why most of my friends flip out over them and don't even give Xbox a second look - they're just not my style. But hey - neither are MS exclusives. I'm one of the crazy mythical people who primarily play 3rd party games on everything but the Switch.

Gimme Spiderman though - when deciding between X1X & PS4 Pro last week, that was the only game that really made me hesitate for a minute.
Xbx is not the base hardware for Xbox one First party titles. Base hardware is a 1.3 tflops console. Xbx Will always bump res and aa somecases fps but Will never be the hardware reference for development.

PS4 hardware reference is a 1.8 tflops
 

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User warned: Generalizing an entire forum and console warring
The forum should suit name to Xboxera will suit better. It looks like a Xbox marketing forum with 5 New threads per day about Xbox features.
 

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Huh

Quite the caveats you've laid out here. "looks ABOUT the same"... Uh ok

Difference is "negligible"... Lol

Limiting the game to a 1080p TV. Omg pls

It still looks best on Xbox. It's okay to admit it. X is more powerful. It SHOULD look better
Honestly if you are telling me the difference is huge ,I wouldn't agree

https://youtu.be/fhnjzfl8Wiw

They don't even look much different than xb1(weakest one). So there is no generational difference between the 3 .minor at best which is mostly resolution
 

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The platform without games is the best gaming platform?

I can only speak for myself, but I buy consoles to play games not available on my PC. That's the whole point in having a console. I'll buy consoles with games I can't play on my PC. Sony has an amazing line-up of just that. Microsoft has nothing.

I like new games. If I wanted to play old games I'll either A. Play them at any res on my PC or B. Play them on my original consoles, such as my Xbox 360 (The Microsoft console that actually had games).
 

Decarb

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Its true though, just like Vita is a better handheld than 3DS and my new iPad is a way better tablet than Switch.
 

Braaier

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Honestly if you are telling me the difference is huge ,I wouldn't agree

https://youtu.be/fhnjzfl8Wiw

They don't even look much different than xb1(weakest one). So there is no generational difference between the 3 .minor at best which is mostly resolution
Who said generational difference? I watched the video and in some scenes the differences were stark, in favor of the x. I said the x version looks best, which is does. Hard to argue against that
 

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Huh

Quite the caveats you've laid out here. "looks ABOUT the same"... Uh ok

Difference is "negligible"... Lol

Limiting the game to a 1080p TV. Omg pls

It still looks best on Xbox. It's okay to admit it. X is more powerful. It SHOULD look better
It looks better. But miles better?
Performs better. But miles better?
Pro and X are boxing in the exact same category: same frame rate, same assets most of the time, average dynamic 1440 vs 1800 on the other...
It’s sharper, but when you upscale 1440 or 1800 to 4k the results are better looking than upscale 720 to 1080 anyway.
Doesn’t mean that you won’t notice the sharpness gain, it just means that if you’re in the PS ecosystem the Pro does its job of providing dynamic 4k HDR quality content, and the third party games aren’t horribly blurry looking on it too.
 

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Lots of subjectivities here!
Not really. I'd say most people agree that Horizon, God of War and Uncharted 4/Lost Legacy on PS4Pro look better than any game currently available on Xbox One X. AssCreed certainly is a looker, especially the surroundings. But it's lacking in the characters department and animations and has some serious jank going on.

All this might (will) change in the future. That's why I said lets wait for E3.
 

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How about Nier? Persona? Shadow of the the Colossus? Bloodborne?
What can I say, they just don't appeal to me.

I won't comment on the remake of a PS2 game, that'd be silly in a thread about shitting on old Xbox games.

I'm not really into Dark/Demon Souls derivatives either. And if that changed I think I'd start by playing DS3, and go from there.

The only one that could somehow interest me is P5, and I'm not in the mood for a depressive JRPG (also I got my Atlus fix with #FE on WiiU).

People around here seem to be obsessed with FOMO so much they can't even fathom there are a large amount of players that just want to play games with little regard to exclusivity or even brand sometimes. Like if ya wanna play a fighting game and you're not dead set on only playing a "Street Fighter" game, there are games such as Injustice 2, DBFZ, etc on all platforms including PC. Same for cinematic shooters, action-adventure, etc.

I would kill for Wild Arms 6 though.
 

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Who said generational difference? I watched the video and in some scenes the differences were stark, in favor of the x. I said the x version looks best, which is does. Hard to argue against that
Yes there is difference ofcourse but many don't care imo as long as it's good enough .u had xb1 for 4 years and played inferior everything .were u suffering all these time ? No . Same thing with pro and x.
 

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The ps4 exclusive lineup is out of thisbworld for all tastes tbh
I mean, I wouldn’t say “out of this world” for all tastes. For PS4 exclusives I own Uncharted 4, Persona 5, The Last Guardian, Ratchet & Clank, and Tearaway Unfolded, but there is nothing on the horizon I am interested in exclusive-wise. Compare that to Switch where I already own 8 exclusive titles barely one year into its life.

The PS4 definitely has an excellent exclusives library, but I am at least one person whose tastes that library doesn’t appeal to much (shrug)
 

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Yes there is difference ofcourse but many don't care imo as long as it's good enough .u had xb1 for 4 years and played inferior everything .were u suffering all these time ? No . Same thing with pro and x.
YOU don't care. Unless you have some type of credible survey that you can provide, please don't say many don't care as long as it's good enough.

I'm not talking about anyone suffering. We're talking about which console is the best if you don't care about exclusives (huge IF, I know). Prior to the X I would say that the PS4 was the best console, whether or not you cared about exclusives. For the latter part, that has changed. Microsoft has done a great job turning things around. They have the most powerful console currently with the best features.
 

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This point doesn't hold water as exclusive games are often some of the best that gaming has to offer.

2017 was one of the best years for games ever. But would it have been as good without these exclusive games?

Breath of the Wild
Mario Odyssey
Horizon Zero Dawn
Persona 5
Yakuza 0
Nier Automata
Uncharted Lost Legacy
Xenoblade Chronicles 2
Cuphead
Gravity Rush 2
Edith Finch
Nioh
Splatoon 2
Mario + Rabbids

The answer is fuck no!
 

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I'm not talking about anyone suffering. We're talking about which console is the best if you don't care about exclusives (huge IF, I know). Prior to the X I would say that the PS4 was the best console, whether or not you cared about exclusives. For the latter part, that has changed. Microsoft has done a great job turning things around. They have the most powerful console currently with the best features.
That’s assuming people are willing to drop $500 on the 1X, majority won’t and between the base models the PS4 is the best.
 

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Oh man this thread is depressing. "Please go back and play old games" new games are not important. Oh well im out.
This is a reductionist argument. It's not one or the other. You can have both. Xbox is struggling with 1st party right now but what about when they aren't? BC will still exist. Not everyone creams themselves over third person games either.
 

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How about Nier? Persona? Shadow of the the Colossus? Bloodborne? The ps4 exclusive lineup is out of thisbworld for all tastes tbh. Some of the best games of the generation period are exclusive.
While I agree, people do have different and sometimes limited tastes/interests. Sony first party games are my favorites and along with Nintendo first party the main things I play and the main reasons I still game. That said a huge chunk of Sony’s exclusives are narrative driven, third person action/adventure type games and not everyone likes those and I don’t think it appeals to “all tastes.”

For instance, most of my friends lists on Xbox from when I had a 360 and was playing a lot of CoD, Halo and Gears pretty much only play those games, mayber some Madden and Forza too. They don’t play story driven games in general, don’t play RPGs, don’t care about any Sony exclusives and view them as “interactive movies” etc. Most of them just bought an X1 and have stuck with just that and when I see my list on the Xbox app they’re all still playing the latest CoD or Battlefield or someother multiplatform shooter, or Halo/Gears, or Forza or GTAV etc.

Sony exclusives don’t really offer much for FPS fans. Just Killzone Shadowfall MP really. Uncharted for people that like TPS, but a lot of people don’t.

Same with Nintendo diehards. Sony doesn’t have a lot for them beyond some games that vaguely feel Nintendoish like LBP and Ratchet and Clank.

Sony is my main and probably always will be as long as they keep making third person, narrative driven games as those are my favorite. But it’s definitely not “out of this world for all tastes.” They have their strengths in their library, and MS and Nintnedo have theirs.

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This is a reductionist argument. It's not one or the other. You can have both. Xbox is struggling with 1st party right now but what about when they aren't? BC will still exist.
Definitely true.

Only issue is there may never be a time when they don’t struggle with first party for some of us. I had an original Xbox (bought primarily for KOTOR), 360 (Gears to be fair was a selling point, but I mostly played multiplats) and X1 (for exclusvies, but sold off when Play Anywhere started).

There first party games just don’t appeal to me much. I loved Gears 1-3, but Judgement sucked and 4 was just ok. Halo I’ve always been lukewarm on and 4 and 5 weren’t great. And so on. Their strengths don’t really fall in genres I play the most and they seem unlikely to branch out and cover as many genres as Sony can (and even they are limited in coverage). They don’t get the benefit of multiplats with me anymore either as I can get those with better performance on PC.
 
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The Xbox 1 X is the best console if you don't care about exclusive games, but that last X is critical. The Xbox 1 S plays every 3rd party game in inferior quality to the base PS4, so it would be difficult to claim it as 'best console' even if choosing to intentionally overlook its weak exclusive library.
 

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Even then the Xbox is best. Xbox has BC, game pass, better online, EA Access, 4k bluray playback. No, Xbox is still best IF you don't care about exclusives.
It’s a better feature set, but not everyone cares about those features. Even not caring about exclusives, people who only play current games are better off with a PS4 Slim vs. an X1 slim as most multiplats run better or at higher resolution, games like Destiny get exclusive content for a year and so on.

Gamepass and EA access are the only features there that interest me at all, and I’d probably skip them as I’m always drowning in games and have a backlog that I don’t need to compound with game subscriptions. BC is moot as I sell games after beating and don’t replay things. I won’t have a 4KTV anytime soon and mostly quit buying movies (very rarely rewatch) and rental services don’t carry UHD discs.
 

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Most of them just bought an X1 and have stuck with just that and when I see my list on the Xbox app they’re all still playing the latest CoD or Battlefield or someother multiplay shooter, or Halo/Gears, or Forza or GTAV etc.
While I understand your point, the PS4 (and PC) also plays CoD and Battlefield and Fifa and GTAV.

If people are into the three main Xbox series that's fine, but remember the thread we're in, the article calls the One (not even the X) the best console... If you don't care about exclusives in the rival consoles which are, incidentally, some of the best games around, if not /the/.

That doesn't make any sense.
 

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Even then the Xbox is best. Xbox has BC, game pass, better online, EA Access, 4k bluray playback. No, Xbox is still best IF you don't care about exclusives.
Doesn't have VR
Doesn't have Shareplay
Doesn't have gamesharing

As a machine the XBX is great, But to choose it over the PS4 with its exclusives and VR, Shareplay, Gamesharing for BC 360 games then it's just silly.
 

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While I agree, people do have different and sometimes limited tastes/interests. Sony first party games are my favorites and along with Nintendo first party the main things I play and the main reasons I still game. That said a huge chunk of Sony’s exclusives are narrative driven, third person action/adventure type games and not everyone likes those and I don’t think it appeals to “all tastes.”

For instance, most of my friends lists on Xbox from when I had a 360 and was playing a lot of CoD, Halo and Gears pretty much only play those games, mayber some Madden and Forza too. They don’t play story driven games in general, don’t play RPGs, don’t care about any Sony exclusives and view them as “interactive movies” etc. Most of them just bought an X1 and have stuck with just that and when I see my list on the Xbox app they’re all still playing the latest CoD or Battlefield or someother multiplay shooter, or Halo/Gears, or Forza or GTAV etc.

Sony exclusives don’t really offer much for FPS fans. Just Killzone Shadowfall MP really. Uncharted for people that like TPS, but a lot of people don’t.

Same with Nintendo diehards. Sony doesn’t have a lot for them beyond some games that vaguely feel Nintendoish like LBP and Ratchet and Clank.

Sony is my main and probably always will be as long as they keep making third person, narrative driven games as those are my favorite. But it’s definitely not “out of this world for all tastes.” They have their strengths in their library, and MS and Nintnedo have theirs.
Props for an extremely well articulated post.
 

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I have a feeling your tune would change if MS actually had some exclusives.
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Nah, I learned when QB went to PC that I lost absolutely nothing on a personal level. I lost the worship of the word exclusive that has been so deeply ingrained in gamer consciousness after decades of marketing.

That said, I have written that while I dont really give a shit for exclusivity as I realize its not for me and not pro consumer, particularly via third party, I do think that MS might need to rethink its take on exclusivity. They decided to forego it for Xbox to try to leverage the windows store which does make sense if you let yourself forget that console gamers need to be coddled and are super succeptable to feeling abandoned at the drop of a hat.

MS has been trying for a while to swim against the current when it comes to exclusivity, they thought that gamers would be smart enough to understand that the PC and console markets dont really overlap so much. They under-estimated the insane personal value that gamers assign to exclusivity. As great is XPA is, it hasnt really helped the win10 store take off due to its issues and the general prejudice against it. So I wonder why they continue to fight, if gamers demand they make games that the X must be purchased to play in order to feel valued, then give it to them, to the benefit of selling them an X...
 

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Lol this thread is a great example of the difference between message boarders and the general public.

Also lol at 4k Blu-ray being pushed as a big selling point again.
 

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All these features are nice but in the end, like all consoles in history, a console is defined by the games it has most importantly the exclusives.

I have an Xbox One X and a PS4 Pro. I enjoy both consoles and there are features on the Xbox One that make it a very nice platform to engage with but in the grand scheme of things the PS4 wins in my mind with the sheer amount of quality first and third party games.
 

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I don't disagree really. I find what MS is doing with their console and services to be much more interesting than what Sony is up to. Yet the lack of solid exclusives can't be understated. They NEED to have that sorted out by the time the next console launches.
 

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While I understand your point, the PS4 (and PC) also plays CoD and Battlefield and Fifa and GTAV.

If people are into the three main Xbox series that's fine, but remember the thread we're in, the article calls the One (not even the X) the best console... If you don't care about exclusives in the rival consoles which are, incidentally, some of the best games around, if not /the/.

That doesn't make any sense.
That’s where the 1X comes in. It’s the most powerful console now and will have the best versions of those multiplats for people who don’t care about Sony’s exclusives and mostly just play Halo/Gears and multiplatform shooters, sports games etc. A long with being a UHD movie disc player, having Game Pass, EA Access, great BC etc. It’s a nice platform for people who moslty play multiplat games. Even better if they’re also into Halo/Gears/Forza.

Fanboys just overestimate the appeal of “their” consoles exclusives. Sony games are “interactive movies” to some, Nintendo games “kiddy/cartoony crap” to some, MS games “dudebro shooty bangs” to some. There is a LOT more differentiation in offerings between the three platforms, including between Sony and MS, than a lot of people seem to realize.
 
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