Why would she use that comparison? Was saying "I still loved my husband and forgave him etc. etc." not good enough orrrr??????????
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The View: Hillary Clinton compares decision to not divorce Bill to parenting a transgender child
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wow she shot that shit down fast, didn't even pretend to have to think about it
In my view a lot of it is on the millennials who were all lining up to let out a big fart in her general direction when it was clear Bernie was dead in the water.
I literally have far-left leaning millennial friends who, when the time came to submit their ballots, they said "Meh, my vote literally doesn't count."
There's a long list of people are to be held accountable for this fucking debacle, and Hillary isn't exactly high up on that list.
Some people cant talk about Clinton"s flaws without bringing up Trump in some fashion.
There is very little discussion to be had around how her friend discovered her child's gender identity and dealt with her own feelings, especially since the friend ultimately came to the proper conclusion.
What I'm reading is people saying and feeling that it's transphobic without explaining how it's transphobic or trans-insistive.
She's simply promoting a book on the View.
You know, I don't usually pull this shit out, but as a non-cis person I find it strange that I would support transphobia as you describe it. Shucks, I guess you just know me better than I know myself.
But yea, when I see people posting Washington Examiner articles and then acting like they are the best LGBT ally the world has ever seen, I call bullshit, and I'll leave it at that.
She wasn't saying stupid shit like this three years ago. Had she been, my reaction would have been the same as today's.
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Ok, so you're claim is she has been supporting LGBTQIA+ people since the 80s and 90s and "longer than Sanders et al" right?
Cool. Please explain: https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=151&v=9TyZBeGfeVM
I know better than to get into it with devout Hillary supporters so I'll just say in general, I have absolutely no idea why some members of the LGBT community go to bat so hard for this woman as if she's been an undisputed ally her whole life
The comparison to the struggles she had with her husband would have been very fucked up were it direct. It was not. It was general anecdote in the context of the discussion.
How exactly was the language fucked up? That's important to know so that we all don't make the same mistakes.
So, it's almost like you made a mild error while attempting to make a positive statement in support of trans people? Maybe we should cut you a little slack?
Nope, too bad, grab your pitchforks everyone. Toss him in the fire with Hillary.
I don't even really like Hillary, and I think there's room for someone to criticize her for that comparison, but pretending this is an example of horrible bigotry on her part is performative outrage at best.
She is literally advocating FOR trans acceptance in that statement, if you take issue with her misgendering someone by using their previous geneder before they transitioned, then it's fine to criticize and correct her for it, but calling her transphobic trash for it seems counter productive.
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It doesn't make a parent a bigot, for being absolutely terrified of the future their child will have, though you'll not find me once stating that parent who chooses not to support/accept their child being trans as in any way, shape or form, justified, because it is quite clearly, wrong and abhorrent to abandon your child like that. It is -brave- to not be a coward and do the right thing though, which is the entire point of my posts, and to be honest, this has very little to do with Hilary anymore, and more on the note that people discount how hard it can be for parents to go through a situation like that.
Oh, and I should clarify, I'm aware that some parents are just hateful bigots who don't struggle with the decision to abandon their child either.
Clinton has always been popular in the LGBT community, just because you don't like her doesn't negate the actual reality that she is especially popular with LGBT people who are in their mid/late 30's and middle aged in general.
It's a privilege of today that we can look at gay rights as exclusively dealing with marriage and post up clips of politicians denouncing gay marriage as them being anti-LGBT back then. There was so much more at stake. In fact we aren't even done with gay rights - we are still fighting against housing and employment discrimination. But at least we can put a ring on it now I guess and it's all okay.
No matter what anyone posts in this thread, it won't dissuade me that HRC is an ally or that suddenly HRC is transphobic. The OP title is misleading.
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LOL WOW. I can't believe you wrote that and thought "Yes, I am making an intelligent point." Holy shit you're really proud of that. I can't even be mad. How very """"gutsy"""" of you.
Hillary saying and doing insanely stupid and out of touch shit is my favorite meal and with this ill-advised press tour she's doing let me tell you I am eating
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Hey there you can't just go "she's been an ally since the 80s and 90s" and then turn her anti-gay rhetoric from that time around and spin it like "OH IT'S JUST A PRODUCT OF THE TIME."
Also, are you motherfucking kidding me with this defense? I have some world shattering news for you: Not everybody in the 90s despised gay people. Some people were ACTUAL allies.
If you are admitting that it is impossible for anything to change your mind, even facts, you are arguing in bad faith and can fuck off.
This is yet another complete mischaracterization. She's speaking and recounting a story colloquially.
Is "gutsy" the right word choice? No, but she's using it repetitively because it was the adjective the interviewer led the question with. For an ignorant parent who's never had much exposure to anything LGBT+, embracing their child's identity would take a certain strength of character -- i.e., being "gutsy." She's speaking on The View, to their demographic, not at a bastion of understanding and informed progressivism.
Is "gutsy" the right word choice? No, but she's using it repetitively because it was the adjective the interviewer led the question with. For an ignorant parent who's never had much exposure to anything LGBT+, embracing their child's identity would take a certain strength of character -- i.e., being "gutsy." She's speaking on The View, to their demographic, not at a bastion of understanding and informed progressivism.
guys it took a lot of courage to stay married to a former president, allowing you take advantage of all of his political connections while you yourself are actively becoming a politician. It's kind of like the courage it took for parents to raise their child in a terrible society that treats trans people like dirt and the horror they face every single day.
I was courageous this morning when I went outside without a jacket out despite the fact that it was cold. This was my personal vietnam
I was courageous this morning when I went outside without a jacket out despite the fact that it was cold. This was my personal vietnam
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but don't forget, it also would have been valid for some people to have left their husbands, which creates the unfortunate implication that it'd also be ok not to accept your newly-out trans child.
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What is even the point of this post? That we shouldn't criticize transphobia because that transphobia is coming from someone on the 'correct' side?
It's a good thing everyone in this thread is totally coming from a place from compassion, and there isn't any people who are using actual issues regarding trans people as a spring board to shit post about some politician they don't like.
Cause I mean, that would be pretty fucking heinous and morally bankrupt if people were doing that, but nobody would be that low of a person to actually do such a thing.
Cause I mean, that would be pretty fucking heinous and morally bankrupt if people were doing that, but nobody would be that low of a person to actually do such a thing.
It's a good thing everyone in this thread is totally coming from a place from compassion, and there isn't any people who are using actual issues regarding trans people as a spring board to defend some politician they like.
Cause I mean, that would be pretty fucking heinous and morally bankrupt if people were doing that, but nobody would be that low of a person to actually do such a thing.
Is your supposition that being supportive of gay rights and being transphobic are mutually exclusive?
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You know the nice thing about mirroring the video on a brand new channel as a brand new upload? I can see that this thread has 5,500 views and nearly 200 replies, but the video has only 67 views. Hmmm.
I can also look at the analytics of the video and wow that's quite a few people who watched less than 30% of that 2 and a half minute clip.
I can also look at the analytics of the video and wow that's quite a few people who watched less than 30% of that 2 and a half minute clip.
I think the situation can be described as difficult, sure, because there's a lot going on, especially for a parent who might not be familiar with trans issues. However, the decision to support them is a no brainer. To not do so is to literally become another challenge they face. It may technically be a decision, but not one that merits any sort of serious consideration or any sort of use in a context about choices that are actually hard.
They are not, but I have not seen a distinction from HRC before.
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Some other problems since people keep Just Asking Questions about why this is transphobic
1) A child coming out as trans is described by her as "an issue" they have
2) The comparison between choosing to support an adultering sex predator husband with rape and sexual assault and harassment allegations against him and choosing to support a trans child is DISGUSTING
3) The framing of this as being so hard on the parents with no mention of how hard it will be for the kid to live a normal life without being targeted by bigots and systemic bigotry
4) Following her analogy to its logical conclusion wherein she says it'd be valid for some people to choose to leave their husbands and valid for others to stay leads to some real gross implications. Even if the implication is unintentional, it still exists and is gross.
There. Anyone Just Asking Questions has a nice list between this post and the one I'm quoting from collige. I won't even circle back to the paraphrasing which includes a misgendering.
There you go again. Your reply assumes everyone else also interprets her comment/response as transphobic. There's been plenty of posts showing different interpretations and reactions, but you seem to dismiss any nuance in this discussion, and you don't seem interested in seeing things from other people's perspective.
So what is the point of continuing this thread? Your last few pots are just jumping on people with an opposing take, and telling them to fuck off. Seriously, what is going on with you? You're just angrily lashing out, and acting like the judge, jury, and executioner.
I think the best part is that rather than posting a transcript or even adding greater context to her remarks, they took the time to set up a whole extra youtube channel while keeping the original framing from the washington examiner in the OP. My perspective is that "gutsiest" for her doesnt mean good or bad, just a time when you had to dig the deepest. Sort of like an interview question.
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Because it IS transphobic. Period. End of motherfucking sentence. She compared sticking by her husband who has been accused by multiple women of sexual predation ranging from harassment to outright rape to how difficult it must be for parents to support trans kids. That's transphobic. Stop defending her. Jfc.
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MOTHERFUCKER THE QUOTES IN THE OP ARE DIRECTLY FROM THE 2.5 MINUTE VIDEO I POSTED. Word. For. Word.
Y'all go so far out of your ways to defend blatant transphobia that you are pretending she isn't on video saying the things she is quoted directly as saying.
What is there to dig deep for when it comes to accepting your child?
Another nice thing is we can also all see that the moment the user you were calling transphobic over multiple post said they were trans, and you stopped replying to them and instead continued to attack almost every single other post in the thread.
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She had to dig deep to find that comparison between her credibly accused sexual predator husband and trans kids. I mean, c'mon. That comparison doesn't just spring to mind easily.
I'm guessing some posters are really digging deep to ignore all the posts describing why that's such a problem, too. Very "gutsy" defenses, like that one person who literally stated nothing anyone posted could change their mind.
At this point I'm more pissed off at the willful ignorance in support of her transphobic comments because one person being a transphobe is awful, but it's so much worse seeing how many people are willing to excuse that same transphobia instead of just saying "Ok, maybe there's a point and she was wrong. She should apologize."
Like seriously, y'all. It would be so much easier to just go "Yeah. This wasn't good and she should apologize and do better."
Actually she was. She's been saying stupid and contradictory bullshit for years.
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User Banned (5 days): Hostility towards other members over a series of posts.
I stopped replying because I blocked them because they are engaging in bad faith. Also, do you think trans people are not capable of engaging with or defending transphobia? Similarly, do you believe that, for instance, a gay jewish person is incapable of supporting a neo nazi movement? Because Caitlyn Jenner and Milo Yiannopolis would like a word with you.
Your defenses of this shit are not as clever as you think.
I totally understand why people would assume the worst about people arguing in bad faith. Republicans have caused that distrust. But it sucks big time to be accused of it when that's not me at all.
Constant threads? First one I've seen in weeks.
The comparison is a bit hamfisted and deserves some push back. Not s big deal.
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