• Ever wanted an RSS feed of all your favorite gaming news sites? Go check out our new Gaming Headlines feed! Read more about it here.
  • We have made minor adjustments to how the search bar works on ResetEra. You can read about the changes here.

chaobreaker

One Winged Slayer
Member
Oct 27, 2017
5,543
I've deep-dived into the Out of Context Virtual Youtubers twitter a week or so ago and have learned some interesting facts about the Japanese Virtual Youtuber business.

Like how absolutely massive and corporate it is.

Until recently, I thought the whole business was just Kizuna Ai and some other smaller random folks but its a straight up industry with idol-like agencies dedicated to pumping out and producing vtubers. The biggest one, Hololive, has like 2.6 millions subs between their two dozen vtubers. They're so big that they have deals with mobile games! What the hell?

latest


The next biggest group, Nijisanji, dominates the majority of the market with its shear number of vtubers compared to everyone else. This isn't even a quarter of the amount of vtubers they have:

latest


Did I mention how corporate it is? Seems like these agencies own the entire likeness of these personalities, creating their bios and backstory from the ground up, and then audition the roles of these personalities to up-and-coming talent and idol-wannabes. There's even instances of agencies swiping talent from other agencies and quietly sticking them into new personalities. I think some of these vtubers are accomplished voice actors or singers looking for a new avenue? There's a lot of secrecy behind the people behind the virtual personalities.

The industry basically shot up in like 3 years too. I'm almost certain anime adaptations are on the way for the bigger groups. Other regions seem to still have a miniscule presence compared to Japan.
 

sirap

Member
Oct 25, 2017
8,210
South East Asia
I have several friends who make mad money working on this. Who knew something as silly as Live2D would end up being a million dollar skill.
 

Syril

Member
Oct 26, 2017
5,895
Creating "talent" out of whole cloth and having them be performed by interchangeable people? It's everything the pop idol industry always wanted.
 

L Thammy

Spacenoid
Member
Oct 25, 2017
50,039
If there's anything that I didn't expect to be cynical and corporate, it's was mass produced anime girls for people to watch obsessively.
 

Ferrs

Avenger
Oct 26, 2017
18,829
Look at all those motherfucking anime girls with the same fucking face but different hair colors.
 

Jebusman

Member
Oct 27, 2017
4,087
Halifax, NS
VTubers are really just the next evolution of Japan's fascination with virtual idols. It was always going to end up a corporate nightmare.
 

whatsinaname

Member
Oct 25, 2017
15,067
I heard it is the same in China, is that true? Maybe a little more distributed, with unscrupulous agents "signing" budding streamers and taking a large percentage of their income?
 

Deleted member 62282

User requested account closure
Banned
Dec 18, 2019
40
Nijisanji is the biggest vtuber group by the way. They tend to recruit more individuals. Hololive seems to vet their talent a bit more or at least they aren't piling on the characters like Nijisanji does.

Also Hololive is basically all women (They have a side group called 'Holostars' for men but they aren't particularly popular. They also don't collaborate with the ladies for some reason. I think this might be changing eventually.)

Nijisanji on the other hand isn't quite as 'idol-friendly', recruiting amongst both sexes.

I'm not sure how corporate these two companies are but they seem more like Thatguywithtgeglasses/Channelawesome as far businesses are concerned. They might be a bit more official, having concerts and events for individuals and groups. Really these two companies just do streaming for the most part. They'll play games and talk to the chat, nothing particularly unique compared to any other streamer really.

If you're looking for the more corporate vtuber agencies then Upd8 (Kizuna Ai), .Live (Siro, Idolbu), or Unlimited (Gamebu) are up your alley. They're also incredibly scummy, replacing voice actors of popular characters.
 
Last edited:

mutantmagnet

Member
Oct 28, 2017
12,401
Creating "talent" out of whole cloth and having them be performed by interchangeable people? It's everything the pop idol industry always wanted.
Once 3D animation is good enough to pass the uncanny valley I guess western corporations will follow suite with vReal celebrities.

We are a strange species.
 
Oct 25, 2017
2,165
I'm trying to look at each of them and figure out what their selling point is suppose to be. Why would I watch this virtual YouTuber over any other one?
Personality. People watch a certain virtual YouTuber because she's crass, talks roughly, but has cute moments to balance that out. Or maybe you're into ditzes. Or you're into absentminded klutz girls. Or maybe you're into princess like smug girls. Or maybe you're into "she's a gamer just like me!" Or maybe you're into hardass sadists. Or maybe you're into a girl who gets flustered and embarrassed easily. Or maybe you're into a super sexual and sensual girl who teases her audience and retweets porn on her Twitter.

There's a virtual YouTuber for you in any case. A manufactured personality. You already have those different personalities in the normal YouTuber scene, why not just commodify it for archetypes easily packaged to sell to certain niches?
 

Deleted member 62282

User requested account closure
Banned
Dec 18, 2019
40
I'm trying to look at each of them and figure out what their selling point is suppose to be. Why would I watch this virtual YouTuber over any other one?

They are streamers behind an animated avatar at this point. That's pretty much it. Some will play characters and others won't. There are also plenty of guys on the scene so it's totally quite as one-sided as it used to be.
 

L Thammy

Spacenoid
Member
Oct 25, 2017
50,039
Personality. People watch a certain virtual YouTuber because she's crass, talks roughly, but has cute moments to balance that out. Or maybe you're into ditzes. Or you're into absentminded klutz girls. Or maybe you're into princess like smug girls. Or maybe you're into "she's a gamer just like me!" Or maybe you're into hardass sadists. Or maybe you're into a girl who gets flustered and embarrassed easily.

There's a virtual YouTuber for you in any case. A manufactured personality. You already have those different personalities in the normal YouTuber scene, why not just commodify it for archetypes easily packaged to sell to certain niches?
I get that, but the obvious different between a vtuber and an actual human being is that the former would have way more control over how they look; that's a big part of how they can differentiate themselves.

If you look at the bottom right of the second image in the OP, you've got a blue skinned vampire guy. That's definitely different. Towards the middle of the image, you'd got someone in a I <3 Tokyo shirt, which I guess is supposed to be a weeb or something?

But that first image especially, can you even glean the personality from most of these? I see two with animal ears, one with devil wings, one that's smirking, and one that's got dark skin. Aside from those four, I'm not sure what they're going for.
 

Syril

Member
Oct 26, 2017
5,895
Personality. People watch a certain virtual YouTuber because she's crass, talks roughly, but has cute moments to balance that out. Or maybe you're into ditzes. Or you're into absentminded klutz girls. Or maybe you're into princess like smug girls. Or maybe you're into "she's a gamer just like me!" Or maybe you're into hardass sadists. Or maybe you're into a girl who gets flustered and embarrassed easily. Or maybe you're into a super sexual and sensual girl who teases her audience and retweets porn on her Twitter.

There's a virtual YouTuber for you in any case. A manufactured personality. You already have those different personalities in the normal YouTuber scene, why not just commodify it for archetypes easily packaged to sell to certain niches?
It's just like one of my waifu games.
 

Keyouta

The Wise Ones
Member
Oct 25, 2017
4,197
Canada
All those anime girls have copy pasted faces with different hair colours.

Only one whose videos I've watched are kizuna ai.
 

Dyle

One Winged Slayer
The Fallen
Oct 25, 2017
29,943
It is indeed very creepy but I can't help but crack up at all the out of context clips

It's good to know that someone out there loves Baby Park as much as I do

 

Deepwater

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
6,349
on some level, it's very typical of Japan that this is a thing. But the fact that you have people who follow types like Logan Paul or PDP over in the west...makes it hard to sneer from across the ocean.
 

Deleted member 62282

User requested account closure
Banned
Dec 18, 2019
40
But Kizunai Ai also has that problem after her clone saga happened. Worst, they are slowly removing the original personality of the channel, as at this point she only does music videos.

They appear to be walking back on that somewhat after fans made a ruckus, but the damage is already done. It is puzzling they chose to do this around the same time Unlimited replaced the voice actors of Game-Bu after they voiced their concerns over management abuse.

But the Kizuna Ai situation will probably never truly be figured out with accusations of one of the Upd8 managers sleeping with one of the clones' voice actresses. Allegations got weird and were mostly false nonsense propagated by angry fans.
 

KyouG

Member
Oct 26, 2017
451
I used to enjoy Kizuna Ai stuff. Can someone give me a summary of what the clone saga and ensuing controversy is about?
 

Thorn

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
24,446
I used to enjoy Kizuna Ai stuff. Can someone give me a summary of what the clone saga and ensuing controversy is about?

They basically split her channel up into a gaming channel and a general channel and also her doing idol stuff, with different voice actresses.

The original VA is only used for the singing stuff now, and even that's kind of waning.
 

Thorn

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
24,446

Deleted member 62282

User requested account closure
Banned
Dec 18, 2019
40
most of them look like they are under 10

While I'll agree that the problematic nature of depicting vtuber characters as school-aged, this rarely extends beyond aesthetics. Most of the people behind the mic are in their 20s and 30s and as I've mentioned previously, few of these folks act like their avatar. Most will talk about their daily lives and their interests and whatever they're playing like any traditional streamer would.

I think it's important to remember that Japan respects its privacy a little differently than we do. There are laws where you have to blur out faces of strangers in your pictures. These are merely avatars for private-minded individuals to express themselves in situations they normally wouldn't.
 

Reversed

Member
Oct 25, 2017
3,365
Hard to find a good inbetween that I could even associate to the real life streamers I like.

Can tolerate small portions of Luna being random but I doubt I can take a long playthough of, say, that Foddy Bennett game that is streamely popular in japan.
 

Sunster

The Fallen
Oct 5, 2018
10,017
While I'll agree that the problematic nature of depicting vtuber characters as school-aged, this rarely extends beyond aesthetics. Most of the people behind the mic are in their 20s and 30s and as I've mentioned previously, few of these folks act like their avatar. Most will talk about their daily lives andtheir interests and whatever they're playing like any traditional streamer would.

I think it's important to remember that Japan respects its privacy. There are laws where you have to blur out faces of strangers in your pictures. These are merely avatars for private-minded individuals to express themselves in situations they normally wouldn't.
I've never even seen one of these videos so I'm not insinuating that it's loli or something. It's just a joke because they look like kindergartners. if anything sexual happens in these videos, I've never seen it or heard about it so that's not what the joke was about.
 

L Thammy

Spacenoid
Member
Oct 25, 2017
50,039
I mean, why would you watch any lets player over another?
Right. Video game content on YouTube is an extremely saturated market. Which is why you get efforts to distinguish yourself, like having a puppet or anime character speak for you, framing your videos around watching your boyfriend play a game, etc.
 

Menx64

Member
Oct 30, 2017
5,774
There are like two vtubers I subscribed to, because it seemed fun and I was trying to learn some new words.
 

Symphony

Member
Oct 27, 2017
4,361
I wasn't aware there even was more than a few of them, I know of Kizuna Ai obviously (saw a few videos, not a fan, everything felt super forced) and then recently found out that more exist after seeing figures of them announced (one had white hair and wolf ears, the other... had a blue eye and a gold eye?), but they're not even in that huge group in the OP.
 
Last edited:

Galava

▲ Legend ▲
Member
Oct 27, 2017
5,080
Not really surprising seeing how they already have a huge industry based around creating and marketing idols. You could see them as virtual idols.
At least in this way the girls themselves are "hidden" and behind an avatar (we know what happens when idols turn 18)