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The vtuber business in Japan is way more massive and corporate than I expected.
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This is a week old but Kiryu Coco is singlehandedly saving all the Hololive girls who got demonitized by YouTube bots by introducing them to Streamlabs.
Strange that Hololive management had some Superchat only policy until now.
Strange that Hololive management had some Superchat only policy until now.
I did not know what a vtuber was until this thread. I am still not entirely certain even having gone through the first 100 posts.
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Also, another one of the Hololive girls got recently demonetized and this one clip channel suspects their translated clip videos are getting the vtubers they covered in trouble with YT bots.
If this continues to happen then this small tentpole community of vtuber clip translators might cease to exist one way or another.
Edit: Fixed the video link
If this continues to happen then this small tentpole community of vtuber clip translators might cease to exist one way or another.
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Just think of regular streamers and content creators being behind an avatar/character with varying degrees of faithfulness to the setting of the character.
Now superimpose that image onto the preexisting Japanese idol culture; it's a big combination of things that the domestic market can go crazy over.
Yep, it's blend-s for gamers, with the facade of being realer somehow. (and yet obviously fake because the personalities are so stereotyped)
I can't pretend to understand the appeal except in very abstract senses.
So its like wrestling. Certain people are very clearly playing a character (but still playing games they genuinely want to play) and others are just playing themselves with certain aspects of their personality turned up to 11.
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Kiryu Coco got a bunch of Hololive girls into playing Ark Survival Evolved and as a result it looks like that game will get more attention in Japan than it has ever had since its release.
I've been watching casually to keep my Japanese skills up, but man from what I can tell they seem legitimately addicted to the game.
Many of them are playing even while they're not actively streaming.
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Because Coco's a westerner, she seems to be not be in-line with typical Japanese vtuber scene when it comes to what games to play on their channels. Usually they fallback on something like Minecraft as the safe game that everyone seemingly enjoys streaming and what viewers enjoy watching.
Now she got them hooked on a Minecraft-like survival game they would probably never have streamed otherwise. Coco's making waves.
Oh man I instantly recognized Kiryu Coco's voice. I used to watch her let's plays and Yakuza videos on niconico as kson. She's hilarious.
Several hololive vtubers got their monetization reinstated today, in part thanks to a video/tweet by a popular translator and also coverage by the garbage human being known as thequartering, which shows how much fucking relevant he is that he got YouTube to respond to him (or they just decided to solve this so he would shut up about it but unfortunately gives him a victory in a topic that he couldn't care less about)
It's from a hilarious Japanese series called 'How to make people angry" - there are about 3-4 DVDs out in this series; if you're ever in Japan I recommend renting them out at Tsutaya.
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Just goes to shows who YouTube prioritizes their attention to.
Vtubers and their fans have pointed out how YT bots keep fucking over their livelihoods but it just took the words of a bigot with a history of stalking and harassing girls to get their attention.
What a garbage platform.
They'll probably listen to others like (He who makes videos about 3 am things)
In other news Akai Haato was demonetized and was sad that she wasn't able to play ARK with the others, with her monetization back she bought a new laptop and is happily playing ARK despite the framerates
It fucking sucks. Like, good he helped, but he's still a garbage person and it sucks that he was needed in the first place. He got mentioned and a clip he recorded got shown on AsaCoco (no idea what he said because I muted it), though I don't think it will give him any new viewers (Japanese won't care because of the language barrier and English viewers are likely already aware or don't care).
Every day we stray further from god's light.
In all seriousness I don't know If I feel it's more or less personal. On one hand you're promoting again an illusion/image of someone. On the other hand you can let their personalities show through instead. But being largely corporate, well that's just shit.
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For the record, I don't have a problem with Coco and the likes thanking or namedropping TheQuarterpounder.
Like you said any kind of language barrier will make it hard to signalboost his content to their primarily Japanese viewers. I don't blame her for not understand what kind of content he primarily makes too.
This vtuber monetization mess is just a microcosm of everything wrong with the platform and the people running it in the background.
I detest QP but am placing the blame solely on YouTube for creating a system that promotes alt-right voices the most, locks out people's livelihoods on the whims of a flawed AI system, and only correcting their mistakes when the loudest assholes points it out.
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For some good news today, Kiryu Coco's channel got approved for monetization after all.
All that's left is Amane Kanata (aka the one that used Powerpoint in her introduction stream) and I believe that's all of Hololive.
EDIT: She got monetized too!
All that's left is Amane Kanata (aka the one that used Powerpoint in her introduction stream) and I believe that's all of Hololive.
EDIT: She got monetized too!
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My exact thoughts. That corporations would pounce at the chance to remove the actual women from the exploitative equation should surprise precisely zero people. No need to punish exploited girls when they do anything you don't want (like having boyfriends) if the girls aren't real and can't do anything you don't want.
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TIL the official Nijisanji website by default lists all the talent by their subscriber count.
What fascinates me is how talent like the 5th place girl, Otogibara Era, debuted on January of last year and already has a quarter million subscribers and beats out almost all the 1st generation talent that debuted a year earlier by a huge margin.
Also, the three new talent that debuted less a week ago aren't on the very bottom of the list as you might think. One of them (Fren E Rustalio) already reached 50k subscribers and the other two (Melissa Kinrenka and Ibrahim) have reached 35k subs. All in a week and in such a crowded pool of vtubers both inside and outside of Nijisanji. The momentum that these newer vtubers get by just existing under the same banner as the bigwigs is wild.
What fascinates me is how talent like the 5th place girl, Otogibara Era, debuted on January of last year and already has a quarter million subscribers and beats out almost all the 1st generation talent that debuted a year earlier by a huge margin.
Also, the three new talent that debuted less a week ago aren't on the very bottom of the list as you might think. One of them (Fren E Rustalio) already reached 50k subscribers and the other two (Melissa Kinrenka and Ibrahim) have reached 35k subs. All in a week and in such a crowded pool of vtubers both inside and outside of Nijisanji. The momentum that these newer vtubers get by just existing under the same banner as the bigwigs is wild.
And plus Korone finished playing Blasphemy, and she tweeted back to the devs in some wholesome way.
(Ugh...I made a mistake by using my own quote instead of editing it, lol)
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Well, sorry for the bump, but this is the biggest vtuber thread here so I figured that this was more appropriate than starting a new thread.
I've been sucked into Hololive lately, to the extent of ignoring other entertainment avenues, and this video is a perfect encapsulation as to why:
On the face of it, I can see why one would be highly skeptical of the concept of an "idol-streamer group", especially given the dire reputation the idol industry has for abuse, but just looking at how these girls interact with each other, it seems they're significantly more loosely managed than you might initially expect. Actually, aside from the music and (very) occasional dancing it's hard to see where the "idol" aspect even comes in, because, well... heh... I think their behavior speaks well enough for that.
Hell, you have Matsuri basically not acting at all and completely failing at trying to stay in-character - she basically spends 100% of the time being herself, despite the fact that she can often cross the line into straight-up perversion, and still she's somehow remained a part of the group this whole time, so clearly their policies are significantly more lax than any traditional "idol" group. Now, I'm not privy to anything that goes on behind the scenes, but I get the distinct impression that they're more of a loose collective that happens to do collaborative work than a sort of top-down corporate enterprise (with all that that would imply).
The fact is, the "idol" in "idol group" is a running gag among Hololive fans for damn good reason, and I think the association with the word is unfortunate, since it is highly misleading as to the appeal of watching these vtubers. Hell, Kiryu Coco alone is practically anti-idol with how much she leans into shock value, which is, y'know, kind of the opposite of how idols are expected to act. The whole thing is absolutely hilarious and I just can't... stop... watching them. I think I have a problem.
I've been sucked into Hololive lately, to the extent of ignoring other entertainment avenues, and this video is a perfect encapsulation as to why:
On the face of it, I can see why one would be highly skeptical of the concept of an "idol-streamer group", especially given the dire reputation the idol industry has for abuse, but just looking at how these girls interact with each other, it seems they're significantly more loosely managed than you might initially expect. Actually, aside from the music and (very) occasional dancing it's hard to see where the "idol" aspect even comes in, because, well... heh... I think their behavior speaks well enough for that.
Hell, you have Matsuri basically not acting at all and completely failing at trying to stay in-character - she basically spends 100% of the time being herself, despite the fact that she can often cross the line into straight-up perversion, and still she's somehow remained a part of the group this whole time, so clearly their policies are significantly more lax than any traditional "idol" group. Now, I'm not privy to anything that goes on behind the scenes, but I get the distinct impression that they're more of a loose collective that happens to do collaborative work than a sort of top-down corporate enterprise (with all that that would imply).
The fact is, the "idol" in "idol group" is a running gag among Hololive fans for damn good reason, and I think the association with the word is unfortunate, since it is highly misleading as to the appeal of watching these vtubers. Hell, Kiryu Coco alone is practically anti-idol with how much she leans into shock value, which is, y'know, kind of the opposite of how idols are expected to act. The whole thing is absolutely hilarious and I just can't... stop... watching them. I think I have a problem.
Your analogy about Vtubers is absolutely on point. At first, I was skeptical when they made their first appearance on YouTube back in 2018 (?) and I thought they were just some random dudes play around with avatar anime girls and all. It was cringed, but then I slowly became very fond of them later and it was such weird and complex feelings I can't even comprehend myself, and yet I still adore them.
I saw a commercial this morning with Kizuna Ai promoting some product. The other day there was another virtual personality talking to real girls. She was added there on the sofa next to the real girls. Next thing you'll know, virtual personalities will be hosting on ZIP! and presenting theories on Wednesday's Downtown.They're already taking over TV.
Sad that corporate greed is taking over these personalities. It was great when it was just a few. They're going to oversaturate the market with too many virtual characters as long as they make money.
Sad that corporate greed is taking over these personalities. It was great when it was just a few. They're going to oversaturate the market with too many virtual characters as long as they make money.
Sorry for bumping this old thread but this is mostly where I've seen where hololive been talking about. We really should make a thread for it. Hololive finally moving to an American audience and wants people that speak english to appy. https://en.hololive.tv/audition I'm kind of curious on how they are going to choose canidates for here in the states.
I have a mixed feeling about this, cuz I expect most candidates would "memeize" themselves and/or some type of "shitposters" they advise for the audience. But I can't foresee it, so I have to wait and see. Don't get your hope up if it ends up badly.
Another claimed by the rabbit hole.
Welcome to the fold, peko.
Kiryu Coco continues to be a real gift to the world:
That's hell you're walking into!
I had Suisei's Comet from her 3D debut sneak onto my recommended videos back in March and they have dominated my recommended vids ever since lol.
Quarantine has been an unexpected avenue into the world of Hololive.
Korone and Pekora were the first ones I watched clips of.
It's only gotten worse.
Korone and Pekora were the first ones I watched clips of.
It's only gotten worse.
The youtube algorithm really goes all in after just a handful of clips.
There's no escaping now.