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There is no major Left Media outlet and that has to change
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oh yeah, of course. You aren't telling me anything I don't already know. Former Broadcast Journalism major at the Grady College of Journalism at UGA and spent 6 years in and out of radio stations and newsrooms, lol
I agree that there are plenty of liberal media outlets online, but the second part of this is a bit of an exaggeration. There are still a lot of people in their 20s and 30s who watch cable TV daily, even if it's on the decline.
I believe Hardtimes is satire, like Clickhole or the Onion.
Also, guarantee they were making fun of Jordan Peterson.
Edit: was thinking of Clickhole, not cracked.
It might take you a little longer to realize that the average rate of intelligible speech is almost 100 words per minute slower than the average rate of reading text. Sorry.
That is just who listens to it. I wish I knew the source, but NPR wanted to know for themselves how they skewed a few years back. I think it was Princeton that did a study over 3-4 years of news and entertainment that was on NPR. It found that the news was a tick to the right in terms of its coverage and anchors/guests, while the entertainment was more left. But over all it is widley considered one of the most fair news outlets in the world.I dunno, that sounds skewed a bit. According to Pew Research: http://www.journalism.org/2014/10/21/political-polarization-media-habits/
I think thats a sub group of leftist, most leftist I know believe capitalisms failure is inevitable and we should replace it before it happens. Not that itll fail and from the ashes a new system will arise.
I feel like your definition implies an accelerationist motive, while mines implies a more proactive reformative motive.
Both believe the system will inevitably fail and that it must be reformed/destroyed, depending on if you're Orthodox or Evangelical.
No thanks. I want my news to be filled with actual facts. The left version of Fox would be just as shitty.
You shouldn't want partisan media of any kind. You should want completely objective non-profit reporting that doesn't have b.s tics like 'both sides'ism.
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I hope your grandchildren learn that when you were faced with the hard reality that capitalism's entropy drove our atmosphere to the brink of permanent destruction because neoliberals could never have adequately carbon taxed and incentivized green energy sources in order to salvage it, you cried out "Don't blame the Free Market! All this doomsaying is just bigotry against supply side economics!"
So you've never heard of Amber and Virgil...
...or the business model of all literally political coverage...
...or tautologies.
How does anyone on this board take you seriously?
Except that's all we have at this point, reforming capitalism may not have worked as far as we planned but it's realistically all we got. I'd prefer if things were moving quicker, it's not like the Leftists are in any position to offer hail mary's at the last minute. In the last election they got hammered by liberals, only a few got through and won their elections and among these they're a group of freshmen not experienced politicians. The New Green Deal got spiked because they refused to compromise when we need that ASAP.
Not having biases and not recognizing your own biases are different things. The former is impossible, the latter is not.
Virgil's not a white dude? (I must be honest the podcast has never appealed to me, given that if it's anything like the folks' writing, it's exactly what the poster you're quoting decries of them).
What grandchildren? And I've never argued once for supply-side economics.
Will Menaker, Felix Biederman, and Matt Christman are 3 white guys. They own the branding, it is them, no matter who gets added to the band later. Much like how TYT is Cenk.
How the hell is msnbc centrist. Seems like most people there have the same opinions as people here
MSNBC definitely not, NBC as a whole? Yes. Especially because of Chuck Todd being the political director.
It's directly related the first post I made that you responded to...
IIRC he got tossed out after the Megyn Kelly disaster and/or a Republican taking the WH.
Yeah there's still no way reporting the news are gonna be "unbiased" what determines news in the first place are our values and interests.
The last thing we need is more super-biased media. What we really need is for Fox News to die and go away forever.
Not simply Fox, there's a whole ecosphere or right wing propaganda on tv (Sinclair), and media online and radio.
I wouldn't have made the statement outside of the context of a thread asking for a left version of Fox News. I don't think they're in any way equivalent outside of tone, I'm drawing the comparison because the OP draws a similar comparison.
MSNBC is just more corporate media. They provide more favorable coverage for the Democrats as opposed to Republicans.
There's some good talent at MSNBC with Melber, Tur, Maddow, and Hayes. But the network at large doesn't seem particularly interested in exploring left wing economics.
Chapo trap house and the various smaller anarchist and socialist podcasts are probably the closest thing to it. That said I don't think there's a large enough audience for economic leftism in the United States.
That would be evil, but that's the only way you'll turn some of the Fox News faithful that are guaranteed to vote come poll time.
Ah, ok, the initiative must have just died off while he maintained his position.
Much like Jeff Zucker falling upwards aftering failing at his last gig then getting CNN.
FOX News plain sucks even if you are right leaning. They lie, their opinions always change to fit whatever gets Dems to seeth, and they abuse women to jack the ratings.
A left version of that would simply fail because Dems really are supported by more people who want to believe in principals vs following anyone or any idea that runs against the other party.
A left version of that would simply fail because Dems really are supported by more people who want to believe in principals vs following anyone or any idea that runs against the other party.
I'm pretty cynical yet I don't believe this. It would be hard but not impossible. The constructs that make up our news today certainly discourage unbiased news, but that doesn't mean the ideal can't be achieved.
Mhmm. Crooked media is VERY liberal. There's easily dozens more but they are one of the big guns.
Liberal based media networks could work, we have precedent with that. But yeah, Leftists/Socialists/Anarchists aren't going go to go for this, and not strictly based on numbers. They'd view any Leftist on a platform like that a sell-out. They're counter culture.
NPR is kind of left. More middle-liberal-cosmopolitan than anything. Well monied, popular, mainstream successful.
Thank god for Pacifica.
also everyone championing podcasts. the niche online recorded audio show that you listen to, versus the giant networks broadcasting to and influencing millions accross the world? that's not exactly a comfort.
Harvard Liberal, yes. That's because most of them are, in fact, Ivy League liberals. NPR's coverage and framing on political topics sways based on who is in office, and they have only recently developed mostly online content that challenge the existing forms of governance, economics, and thought. As noted above, their entertainment coverage is always to the left, but almost all entertainment coverage except TMZ is to the left.
I don't think any single entity could ever encompass the entirety of the Left's ideals enough to be accepted. It's a lot harder to do than the opposite route of "hate everything that isn't you." Might be more effective to fix or narrow down the current outlets.
Yep.
Conservatives can always unite around their hatred of immigrants and liberals. On the other hand, liberals "hate" other liberals just as much as they hate conservatives.
Look at the Crooked media, Majority Report/Sam Seder, Chapo Trap House and Jimmy Dore, four "leftist" Youtube channels/Podcasts with fan bases that more or less despise each other.
The Washington Post put up this article today:
This is gross and just reeks of race-baiting for clicks
This is gross and just reeks of race-baiting for clicks
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Conservative media has been a huge force in making bigotry seem mainstream and acceptable and signal boosting fringe far-right viewpoints. Obviously this should be dismantled but seeing as that is unlikely to happen anytime soon, I don't see a significant downside to having media outlets that promote discussion of leftist policies and make them mainstream.
Have you ever read a word Marx wrote? This is just a nonsense. It has no relation to what the left believes.
I don't really want a liberal version of fox. I also don't want fox to continue to exist. All this opinion based news, faux journalism, op eds mascarading as news has to stop.
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For example, it looks like @PolitiFact has fact-checked Sarah Huckabee Sanders and myself the *same* amount of times: 6.
She's been serving for almost 2 years. I've served 4 days.
Why is she fact-checked so little? Is she adhering to some standard we don't know about?