Theresa May: “If this deal is not passed then Brexit could be lost"

wrowa

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Oct 25, 2017
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Only reason to get the delay is to postpone brexit after the european election so their friends (Le Pen, Salvini, and the other wannabe dictators) can avoid the immediate backlash once people understand what it means to have a °no deal° and exiting the union. Elections in EU are coming very soon. Probably that's why.
Proponents of a delay include people like Donald Tusk and Angela Merkel, so not exactly people who’d be considered to sympathize with people like Le Pen.

As long as Brexit happens by the end of June, there’s not really a problem with an extension. The EU is not interested in a hard Brexit nor do they want the British press or politicians to somehow be able to put the blame on the EU (“We’d have figured a deal out if they just gave us more time!”).

It’s only if Brexit gets delayed past June that severe problems would arise due to the upcoming elections (which Britain would need to take part in). Would be still possible, but there would be strings attached (like a GE or another referendum).
 
Oct 27, 2017
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What the fuck is parliament even talking about at this point? It is completely unclear what they actually want or expect!

Each single elected official needs to go back to their constituency and hold an open forum to actually answer for this mess and wake up and read the room
Yeah, well, the results may not be to our liking if they did that. Imagine the hordes of angry old people demanding that they LEAVE NOW
 
Oct 27, 2017
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Nottingham, UK
Yeah, well, the results may not be to our liking if they did that. Imagine the hordes of angry old people demanding that they LEAVE NOW
If there is still overwhelming support, as in the majority of people, to leave then at least that MP can go back to parliament and vote that way.

There is nothing stopping any of them from asking for a vote from their constituency on the current preference. It doesn't need to be a referendum, but at least offer us a voice. I already had my MP leave labour, and we voted remain.

Shit is infuriating
 

Shiny Pokemon Hunter

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Mar 5, 2019
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I don’t live in the UK but from all the news and articles I read, for the sake of stability they would be better off abandoning their Brexit.
 

brain_stew

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Oct 30, 2017
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While I appreciate it was a free vote, the very fact that the Brexit secretary voted against the government's own Motion tonight is really quite extraordinary. The minister that should be responsible for the government's Brexit policy just voted against the government's Brexit policy.
 

DBT85

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Oct 26, 2017
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While I appreciate it was a free vote, the very fact that the Brexit secretary voted against the government's own Motion tonight is really quite extraordinary. The minister that should be responsible for the government's Brexit policy just voted against the government's Brexit policy.
The minister that will have to go an negotiate the extension just voted against the extension.

The fact that MPs are more scared of the backlash for revoking a50 than the obvious hell of a no deal brexit is the stupidest shit going
Politicians putting their own interests over the nations? Unheard of.
 
Oct 27, 2017
2,985
Nottingham, UK
The minister that will have to go an negotiate the extension just voted against the extension.


Politicians putting their own interests over the nations? Unheard of.
In my lifetime this is the most transparent action of incompetence and misguided self-preservation.

They simultaneously don't trust the population to have a say in the current situation whilst enacting a decision made by a population who were even less informed than they currently are...do they think we aren't watching all this? If they don't think enough people care then just revoke already, if they think we are watching then they need to stop tiptoeing about and actually make some decisions

It's baffling they believe anyone with even a quarter of a brain respects any of them at this point
 

Lakitu

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Dec 8, 2017
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Theresa May's deal(s): Against
No deal: Against
Second Referendum: Against

So what the fuck do they want?
 

Titik

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Oct 25, 2017
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The EU would likely not want to delay because the EU elections are coming up, right? A delay means that UK will get to have representation in the European Parliament even though they want to leave.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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Sweden
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Netherlands

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Oct 27, 2017
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London
They don't have the balls to vote for a 2nd referendum let alone revoke article 50, that would require career politicians to not care about their careers. Too scared of that potential backlash next election cycle, instead of being scared of long term effects.
 

Slayven

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Oct 25, 2017
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Markets and industries love long term and short term uncertainty
 
Dec 4, 2018
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Proponents of a delay include people like Donald Tusk and Angela Merkel, so not exactly people who’d be considered to sympathize with people like Le Pen.

As long as Brexit happens by the end of June, there’s not really a problem with an extension. The EU is not interested in a hard Brexit nor do they want the British press or politicians to somehow be able to put the blame on the EU (“We’d have figured a deal out if they just gave us more time!”).

It’s only if Brexit gets delayed past June that severe problems would arise due to the upcoming elections (which Britain would need to take part in). Would be still possible, but there would be strings attached (like a GE or another referendum).
It's giving populist forces time to cut losses and win the most seats as possible this May, so they can control the European Union. Conservatives may be "conservative" and allow the status quo for as long as possible but their confidence in stopping the alt right by themselves is wrong AF. This might give Britain some air and avoid populists blaming Europe for the no deal. By the time brexit (without a deal, rest assured) comes, damage will already be done.
 

Zomba13

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Oct 25, 2017
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So is the current plan to just keep delaying it? I mean, Brexit means Brexit, will of the people etc will still happen, just... eventually. Some other time... In the future...

Like, the UK WILL leave the EU, maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow but someday*!


*Someday in the globally warmed desert hellscape future.
 
Oct 27, 2017
2,780
London
If the deal doesn't pass the "meaningful vote" number 3 May will ask for a long extension for unspecified reasons, which may not even be accepted, if it does pass May will ask for a short extension to implement the withdrawal agreement. That's all we know.
 

Slayven

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Oct 25, 2017
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So is the current plan to just keep delaying it? I mean, Brexit means Brexit, will of the people etc will still happen, just... eventually. Some other time... In the future...

Like, the UK WILL leave the EU, maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow but someday*!


*Someday in the globally warmed desert hellscape future.
Feels like a cousin to Trump's Wall. It exists and don't at the same time
 

liquidtmd

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Oct 28, 2017
2,876
Expect the next development (rightly) to be

EU': 'Alright lads, extension. What's the plan'

Number 10: 'New phone, who dis'

Arrgghhhhhhhhhh

Just fucking leave already, Jesus Christ. This is really getting tiresome.
I appreciate it's a shitshow, but lives and livelihoods are literally at stake here

I'm sorry it's tiresome. It's tiresome following it, but just saying leave for the sake of it, please have empathy for those of us who will bear the consequence
 

DeltaRed

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Apr 27, 2018
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Assuming May's deal doesn't go through we'll probably end up with some Norway type deal, it's probably the only thing that can creep over the line. Give it 20 years and we'll apply to rejoin.
 

Pooh

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Oct 25, 2017
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Honestly why doesn't the EU just kick your asses to the curb, UK? They gain nothing by continuing to entertain this shit-show, and I think it's well proven that you're never going to agree on a deal.
 

nekkid

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Oct 27, 2017
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Honestly why doesn't the EU just kick your asses to the curb, UK? They gain nothing by continuing to entertain this shit-show, and I think it's well proven that you're never going to agree on a deal.
When you say “you” and “your”, who exactly are you referring to?
 

Pooh

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Oct 25, 2017
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When you say “you” and “your”, who exactly are you referring to?
Sorry, I meant to the UKers in this thread/on this forum, who I assume know most about Brexit, thus the clarifying "UK" in that question

I really want to know why the EU "in theory" should honor this extension when there doesn't seem to be any evidence suggesting it will help anything
 

Akira86

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Oct 25, 2017
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there needs to be a 3rd party to suggest a resolution to have a vote to do away with Brexit. Prince Charles on a horse, wielding Excalibur could ride into Parliament and order a new referendum by writ of the will of the people.
 

Calderc

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Oct 25, 2017
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Honestly why doesn't the EU just kick your asses to the curb, UK? They gain nothing by continuing to entertain this shit-show, and I think it's well proven that you're never going to agree on a deal.
Because they don't want to see an entire country of 60+ million people thrown to the shit based on 52% of the voting populace being duped into chopping their own arms off?