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Theresa May: “If this deal is not passed then Brexit could be lost"
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What is she talking about? Article 50 is triggered already. With a rejection of her deal and no extension, the default is still Brexit but with no deal. Not no Brexit.
Is that not right?
Is that not right?
Does it take a vote? Because it seems there are enough in the UK government that want a no deal Brexit to happen. If a vote is needed, does she have the numbers?
Would the EU accept a revocation without a vote?
Chances of that happening are as big as me finding a pot of gold.
If she has the power to invoke it of her own will then realistically she should be able to withdraw it the same way.
Huh? Wasn't asserting anything. Was asking about the options to revoke.
The nash equilibrium(s) are either no deal Brexit or no Brexit. Since there is only a plurality of of supporters for any option in Parliament.
Seems like this is more a threat to hard-line brexiteers to accept the deal or face no brexit rather than a threat of a no deal
You said there seems to be enough in support of a no deal, I'm saying that's not true unless you have something to back it up
Classic negotiating, wait til time is about to run out and then accept a deal no one is happy with.
See above, the writing is on the wall here, they are going to accept some terrible deal at the 11th hour.
I don't think any part of the Brexit fiasco was a "binding vote". It was a non-binding referendum, right? They could cancel this whole shit-show, without any vote needed.
What does require a parliamentary vote is signing a deal with the EU.
It's like, you need both parties to sign the divorce papers. But if you change your mind prior to signing the papers, you don't need "screw it, let's give this another shot and stay together" papers :P
cmiiw.
What I mean is there seems to be enough Tories that can throw a wrench into the process and prevent May's deals from going through. Which we've seen already. And with no assertive action, the default is no deal Brexit barring an extension or outright revocation. Is that not accurate?
That seems to be the new western government way of doing things
Sorry meant parliamentary vote specifically. Not a vote among the population.
I think she's implying, could be/may be straight up lying, that she'd go no brexit rather than no deal
I see. So the PM alone can just stop the entire Brexit process?
Leaving without a deal is off the table. Has been for a while. Nobody is willing to accept us crashing out and more people are shifting towards a second vote, so if her deal isn't good enough (which it isn't) then we'll get an extension (which the EU is encouraging) while we organise a second vote (which is the best outcome).
I'm pretty sure it's becoming more likely every week that this whole thing is going to get called off and the Tories will be branded as "the idiots that almost cost us our EU membership". If Labour play their cards right over the next few months they'll win the next general election in a landslide.
That seems like the most optimistic scenario. Except isn't the Labour leader in favor of a form of Brexit too? Simply not a no-deal one?
A Brexit without a proper deal is not the problem of the EU, but of the UK.
So it would be not really desirable for the EU, but rather absolutely catastrophic for the UK.
EU could live with all three things: Brexit with/without deal and no Brexit.
It's good if the whole Brexit thing is cancelled, it's not so good if Brexit continues on without a deal at all.
Sure but the EU doesn't want that. They're not looking at the situation and thinking "you're on your own", they're actually trying to be reasonable and accommodating despite the fact they know that the UK leaving the EU would be bad for everyone.
They've expressed a few times already that they're totally okay with us retracting Article 50 and that they're fine with an extension but that the deal they've offered is the only one on the table.
Labour wants whatever they think the majority wants, basically. They keep changing their minds.
More hot air from our garbage PM. All she does is lie and move the goalposts. It's all about applying pressure and that is what she is doing here trying to pressure MP's into voting for her deal.
Parliament has to ok any retraction of Article 50 and atm there is no majority for that.
Parliament has to ok any retraction of Article 50 and atm there is no majority for that.