That is true, but I'm sure their patience is also wearing thin.Because they don't want to see an entire country of 60+ million people thrown to the shit based on 52% of the voting populace being duped into chopping their own arms off?
Assuming May's deal doesn't go through we'll probably end up with some Norway type deal, it's probably the only thing that can creep over the line. Give it 20 years and we'll apply to rejoin.
Sure, but the EU's primary interest has to be the strength and stability of the EU. This Brexit nonsense just creates resentment and uncertainty. And there is absolutely no indication that even with an extension the UK will get their shit together.Because they don't want to see an entire country of 60+ million people thrown to the shit based on 52% of the voting populace being duped into chopping their own arms off?
Lol, what healthcare system? If the Tories have their way for much longer the NHS will crumble within 10 years.I shudder at what the UK's economy and healthcare system will look like in 20 years...
Sure, but the EU's primary interest has to be the strength and stability of the EU. This Brexit nonsense just creates resentment and uncertainty. And there is absolutely no indication that even with an extension the UK will get their shit together.
It's not in the UK's interest either... but here we are. At some point a no-deal Brexit is going to be more tenable than years of in/out uncertainty.Resentment and uncertainty, there's no doubt. But it's not in the EU's interest for a no-deal Brexit.
Resentment and uncertainty, there's no doubt. But it's not in the EU's interest for a no-deal Brexit.
This Brexit shit is the dumbest political fuckery I have ever seen, and that's saying something considering we elected Donald Trump over here
Maybe not. But the EU has already made comments regarding an extension. They want it to be meaningful. An extension just for the sake of an extension may not be enough for the bloc to vote to approve it.Because they don't want to see an entire country of 60+ million people thrown to the shit based on 52% of the voting populace being duped into chopping their own arms off?
FOH with that bullshit.At this point, I hope EU doesn't allow for extension and just kicks UK out.
At this point, I hope EU doesn't allow for extension and just kicks UK out.
There is zero indication that a consensus will be reached.
I'd imagine it's the fact that the UK has managed to handle this in the worst way possible for 2 years now. Have done nothing to prepare while holding 27 countries, markets, the economy, and people in a 100% irresponsible limbo. Based largely on a racist sentiment that started this in the first place.
The 'UK' isn't a singular entity. Not all of us wanted this, and to have to read comments like yours is a slap in the face to those of us who are as exasperated (fuck, far *more* exasperated seeing as we actually fucking live here and have to suffer the consequences) as anyone else.This is an incredible shitshow, but it was created and is being maintained by the UK. Enough with this shit. There's a portuguese expression "Ou fodes ou sais de cima" that can be applied here.
What is the UK going to do? Vote 100 times for a new deal? Enough of this.
I'm Scottish, and i agree, we should have left after the first referendum. But Scotland and Ireland aren't to blame for this, despite being part of the UK. And seeing as Independence isn't happening anytime soon, all that will happen is everyone here getting the shit. The whole of the UK doesn't deserve to suffer for the actions of the Far Right, stop telling us that we do.Why? It's true. The blame for this is entirely on the UK. It's self-inflicted. Just get rid of them, they're clearly not operating in good faith. Scotland would be wise to split ASAP.
Why? It's true. The blame for this is entirely on the UK. It's self-inflicted. Just get rid of them, they're clearly not operating in good faith. Scotland would be wise to split ASAP.
The 'UK' isn't a singular entity. Not all of us wanted this, and to have to read comments like yours is a slap in the face to those of us who are as exasperated (fuck, far *more* exasperated seeing as we actually fucking live here and have to suffer the consequences) as anyone else.
Your 'hope' that we just get kicked out is blaming 60 million fucking people for the actions of a few extremely wealthy individuals pushing this country in a seriously insidious, shitty direction.
Your 'hope' that we kicked out means you hope for lost jobs, excrutiating poverty for a large percentage of this country, food shortages, medicine shortages, and ultimately death. Thanks.
Let's be honest, there's been nothing "quick" about thisDon't be so quick to throw us all to the wolves because of your frustrations.
Tell me then, and the other 48% who voted Remain, and the generations to come who are currently too young to vote, how we inflicted this upon ourselves?I was raised in a french international school in Lisbon. A great deal of my friends were "foreigners". Even with all the bureaucracy and bullshit of the EU I was raised on the european ideal of unity. The french were pretty upset about those wars, and the contrast between those times and the unprecedented time of peace that the EU helped build made for a pretty easy defense of the european project. Roaming around freely around europe, studying abroad easily with our other european brothers? I love all that. I wished for the remain vote to win. I wished for brexit to be cancelled at every single step. But that didn't happen and at some point you have to move on. Hope for lost jobs, excruciating poverty for a large percentage of this country, food shortages, medicine shortages, and ultimately death? That's a 100% self-inflicted problem
To every single person that wants to be part of the european dream, I welcome you with open arms. But the UK can go fuck itself at this point for all I care.
So my point is, EU countries are suffering from this right now as well, and will continue to as long as this drags on. And there is no end in sight in the UK. So how long do you think the EU should suffer while the UK dicks around?
How are you trying to stop it? This isn't me being a dick. I'm genuinely wondering if there are protests or any other kind of civic action by people who want to remain.Tell me then, and the other 48% who voted Remain, and the generations to come who are currently too young to vote, how we inflicted this upon ourselves?
So my point is, EU countries are suffering from this right now as well, and will continue to as long as this drags on. And there is no end in sight in the UK. So how long do you think the EU should suffer while the UK dicks around?
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Tell me then, and the other 48% who voted Remain, and the generations to come who are currently too young to vote, how we inflicted this upon ourselves?
How are you trying to stop it? This isn't me being a dick. I'm genuinely wondering if there are protests or any other kind of civic action by people who want to remain.
There has been countless protests. Why else can we do? Ask the same of Americans and Trump.How are you trying to stop it? This isn't me being a dick. I'm genuinely wondering if there are protests or any other kind of civic action by people who want to remain.
Thank you. I'll look at this. I elaborated more to emphasize I wasn't trying to be combative. We don't see much of this in the States.
There has been countless protests. Why else can we do? Ask the same of Americans and Trump.
That's an interesting comparison... except worse, in this case 80% of the Senate and the House are saying that Trump is the will of the people and must be respected lest we risk harming democracy.There has been countless protests. Why else can we do? Ask the same of Americans and Trump.
This.Europe should be "cancel the brexit, accept the agreement or fuck off", no backsies lol.
Right, so just fuck the rest of us because half the country are stupid and/or racist because people on the mainland 'have had enough'.You need to ask the 52% who voted leave this question, not mainland Europeans who have had enough of this and the amount of attention it's diverting from other issues.
In fairness... yes?Right, so just fuck the rest of us because half the country are stupid and/or racist because people on the mainland 'have had enough'.
Indeed.I think what myself and I believe, Calderc, are struggling with is the notion that we should all suffer in Britain because of the decisions of our worst people. This mentality applied across all countries would put the world in turmoil.
You can't possibly imagine businesses around the EU are enjoying this constant uncertainty and risk. The ones sending shipments of goods to the UK as we speak not knowing if they'll even be able to be received. Wondering if local British workers and customers are going to have to be evicted suddenly. That customers will be drying up. Whether that trip to London is going to even be possible this summer. Are airlines going to have to reorganize their flights? Etc etc etc. There's tons of this up and down the board. The whole point was you were part of a unified group. The idea that the only thing that matters is what happens in the UK alone is the exact kind of arrogance that got you all into this mess in the first place.I'm struggling to see how EU countries are suffering because of Brexit. The more of a farce this becomes the less likely other members will be likely to leave and the stronger the EU looks as a united front. With every day of Brexit the UK is weakened and the EU strengthened. This is the ultimate advert for both staying in and joining the EU.
EU will definitely push for this even if Ireland and GB refuse as they have
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...exit-would-mean-hard-irish-border-eu-confirms
At some point the EU needs to say "enough." There are over twenty other member states that are committed to the EU and they should come first.
Elections have consequences. The electorate made its choice. Even now it's very unclear which way a second referendum would go.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying this can or should go on indefinitely (2 years is 2 years too long) but this attitude of 'Fuck you, slightly over half of your country (if you take the UK as a whole) voted for this so here, suffer with them' is fucking abhorrent to me.In fairness... yes?
At the end of the day, the UK voted to leave (I'm a remainer for what it's worth), so we shouldn't be allowed to endlessly harm the rest of the EU with our bullshit.
It fucking sucks, but it has to end at some point. They'd be well within their rights to say "we need to move on, no deal".
In fairness... yes?
At the end of the day, the UK voted to leave (I'm a remainer for what it's worth), so we shouldn't be allowed to endlessly harm the rest of the EU with our bullshit.
It fucking sucks, but it has to end at some point. They'd be well within their rights to say "we need to move on, no deal".
That requires parliamentarians with a spine... and there are only a handful.I agree Brexit needs to end, but if the government can't agree on how it wants to leave because all options look wank then we shouldn't leave.