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Theresa May survives no confidence vote after huge Brexit defeat
- Thread starter MassiveNights
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Nobody wants to actually Brexit or be the one responsible for it, so the game plan is stall as long as possible so we defacfo go no deal due to running out of time, it's not Mays fault because her peers wouldn't pass her deal, it's Labours fault for not backing her.
Vote Tory, we did everything we could, it was the opposition who gave you Brexit because they wouldn't work with us.
Lol
I'm pretty certain Cameron is pro-gammon and secretly wanted Brexit that's why he ran a lousy campaign.
Yeah, probably just the usual bollox parroted ad infinitum, a few threats, blame the EU and Corbyn, and so on.
"Today I offered to meet with the leaders of the opposition parties to work out a way forward so that we can deliver on the will of the people. They have refused to engage with these talks in good faith and proven, as I have said for the last two years, that the Conservative party is the only party that can deliver Brexit'"
Yawn.
Yawn.
May is awful garbage, but this is just more British exceptionalism. The EU holds all the cards and has no reason to grant such extensions and concessions.
There is no Good Deal. The choice is Remain, a Bad Deal, or No Deal.
Probably opening a can of worms here, but I'm a Hibee. Come at me.
I'm not talking about going in with a double barrel pointed and saying "the backstop ends now". I'm suggesting she goes and presents a good case for cross-party support and effort to get a good deal passed. At that point if May actually had some Labour and SNP support it wouldn't fucking matter that the DUP were crying about the backstop.
It's been the May show meeting the EU for 2 years, there has to be a possibility if she goes back with cross-party support there is a chance to discuss things with the EU.
Cross parliamentary talks would be pointless. There's no way May could ever support a permanent customs union. Shed have a rebellion on her hands of around 100 tories. She wouldn't survive long if she went along with a Labour brexit.
I really can't imagine anything other than a general election or second referendum breaking the deadlock.
I really can't imagine anything other than a general election or second referendum breaking the deadlock.
But... that's exactly what Corbyn did say!
BBC News said:
I believe "use M20 as a lorry car park" is still on the table.
I'm talking about Corbyn meeting her, not simply what Corbyn said. There is no suggestion Corbyn went and met her tonight like the other party leaders did for 10~15 minutes each.
At this time, what we need is unity and cross team cooperation, in the national interest.
That's great. They went to meet her to tell her what he already told her in the House.
Outside of a no deal I meant. I guess none of us really knows if May is serious about allowing Britain to leave with no deal. My guess is, she's not.
Planning for no deal brexit is not ready at all. The country is not ready. The number of laws and new entities needed, makes no deal unrealistic.
Yeah, and Corbyn is currently the odd one out who didn't do that, and as I said that gives free ammo to the usual suspects. How can you not see that?
Corbyn should be doing the above and then broadcasting that to the public.
Both BBC and Sky giving coverage to the small opposing parties to the Tories, more than it seeming like Corbyn is taking control of this
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/46874049
https://news.sky.com/story/live-government-faces-no-confidence-vote-after-pms-defeat-11608556
It's not fucking difficult for Corbyn and his PR team to not score an own goal this early. Play the game properly at this crucial starting point.
Don't worry, the real natural order will resume soon. I'd also be surprised if any mod even knows what a hibee is.
What are the DUP doing with the magic money pot then? Can they even spend if there's no government?
Luckily for May the ERG has fucked any chance of Tory MPs toppling her as leader for a year, so she does have a little room to move.
This is lacking the essential 'In the national interest' box
I think it's a particularly old bingo card, but it's funny how many of them are still in use.
As well as "Will of the People"
Or is that just the Free Space now?
I know, I posted that earlier. I'll repeat what I said to iapetus, Corbyn should have gone through the formalities the other parties did. In not doing so it gives free ammunition to many to say Corbyn wouldn't even meet with the PM.
Therefore adding fuel to the fire it's all Corbyn's fault cross-party conversations failed.
If you're in this thread arguing against Brexit, you're all good in my book. None of us are perfect.
Civil servants are dealing with stuff for now. Although there's certain bigger decisions that they aren't able to make without any ministers.
https://news.sky.com/story/live-government-faces-no-confidence-vote-after-pms-defeat-11608556
It's just an analysis, but yes, it points out potential issues within the Labour party and their moves to oppose this Brexit nonsense.