Which is not the same as
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46900367
You're dealing with the general public here. The narrative of hey look, Corbyn's the only one who won't meet the PM, is worse to damage control than what you said.
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Theresa May survives no confidence vote after huge Brexit defeat
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Which is not the same as
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46900367
You're dealing with the general public here. The narrative of hey look, Corbyn's the only one who won't meet the PM, is worse to damage control than what you said.
Um several congress people have directly called for it including a couple of leaked backroom calls (motherf****) but the lack of the use of the word impeach is perfectly explicable as a politic. And Dan Savage? Eh? There are dozens and dozens of more current pundits and celebrities demanding it.
So you're right that Schumer and Pelosi are breaking their backs to avoid saying what they think is a politically toxic trap phrase.
But the majority of congress and senate Dems are directly calling for the underlying investigations, testimony and even legal protections of the Mueller probe in order to have a slam dunk case for immediate impeachment or resignation (their preferred choice outside of elections) when the report is finished.
Invisible? I'm not sure you saw earlier when he tabled a vote of no confidence. How can he do anymore? He is only the leader of the opposition.
Why should Corbyn be seen to be helping May's deal in anyway? That's just opening up bigger problems. He stated his one precondition immediately, an eminently reasonable one that Hammond promised business leaders yesterday (he should have brought that up tbh). Now he's joined by the others saying the same thing.
So the others meeting for 10~15 minutes with May to conclude on the formality of her public "my door is open for talks and I invite you", is helping May? The SNPs red lines go even further than Corbyns bringing up the single market and customs union.
SNP, "no deal taken off table before talks can begin", same SNP, met with May tonight
I'm going to drop this as I actually feel I'm in some sort of Twilight Zone where Corbyn can do no wrong.
Yes, he's joined by the others, but the others had the sense to, even just for the sake of optics, meet with May tonight. It didn't give her an easy win out of the gate to say they are refusing to even meet her. They handled it better than Corbyn. Which is not good enough, because the small parties are not the main opposition of the Tories trying to get the general public in predominantly England conflicted in their support of May/Tories/Brexit.
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I live in Wales, and the blue signs all over the fucking place say otherwise.
We've had a damn sight more investment in deprived areas from the EU than we have from Westminster.
I don't believe this. Why would they. It only serves the twats in Westminster
You're both right, but impeachment in the US is not really comparable to a second referendum. There can not be a second trump Hillary election but you can vote on brexit again. The breaking of norms of referendum redo is not going to shake the political core and process of the UK like impeachment would here. Remember no president has actually ever been removed due to impeachment.
Nick Cleggs did a short BBC doc on this topic. The Welsh people he interviewed were upset all the money was spent on training facilities, infrastructure, some art etc instead of jobs.
They claim they don't want handouts, but they're also resistant to retraining - so because the EU can't magically bring back old industry, fuck em for helping I guess?
I'd believe it if the 'political turmoil' weren't of our own making.
But then again I'm used to academics where you can't get important deadlines changed because you decided to scrap your entire assignment a few days before it's due.
An awful lot of comments on Twitter along the lines of 'I don't like Gove but wow what a speech! Future PM material!'. In fact i've read it so much it's strange. I guess that's the hive mind opinion today. I thought it was typical Tory bullshit but with more theatrics than usual. He paced about a bit and got all hot and bothered.
If that snivelling little shit is ever PM i'm out of here and done.
If that snivelling little shit is ever PM i'm out of here and done.
Yeah we have done well out of EU investment. Never felt like the Tory government ever gave a shit about Wales. The Lagoon being a prime example of this and now the power station etc.
Huge chunks of the UK voted for Brexit. Most of them are a lost cause that hate the responsibility of choice that comes with free will. They want a master to dictate to them how to live, and if that means a half-wit who'll send them back to the workhouses of the 19th century then so be it.
I was just gonna ask if that was intentional or not
It's frustrating as it's the cowards in the bushes who'll vote her through a no confidence vote and then vote the party through a no confidence not to trigger a GE and rid of her that way.
So if you have a Tory leader who doesn't do a runner like Cameron they're pretty much invincible until the next ordinary GE.
But then again imagine Rees-Mogg, Boris or Gove as the leader. Jesus Christ. A party utterly devoid of even a begrudgingly decent choice for leader.
And it's only going to get worse. Barring us bringing out the guillotines and completely destroying the power players and special interests and remaking the government from the bottom up.
There is a good portion of people who just want empty rhetoric with a fiery delivery. That's it. They wanted people who feel as angry as they do. To them, it was a great speech. These are also the most likely folks to go to twitter and spout about how awesome it was. This is all bullshit and his speech was just empty, garbage spewing rhetoric. The ability to speak and throw mud at your opposition doesn't make you a leader. It's just whataboutism and that doesn't solve anything.
Keep in mind I'm from America and while I'll watch parliamentary hearings because they're entertaining, I do not have anything other than opinions on Brexit (which may or may not be completely misguided because it's not my country). With that said, I felt like Ian Blackford was someone who, when he spoke, showed real leadership. He seemed to have the desires of his constituents in mind and actually made points about what needed to be done to prevent this from being a disaster.
Brexit has become one of those medication ads that offers benefits and then a long list of quickly listed possible horrible side effects :-)
Stale mate, with no likely winners. Leader with some nerve / direction needed....please report to 10 Downing St.
Only 2 options imo, leave (hard) or remain....half pie solutuons dont cut it....just need the Government and opposition to offer clear choices.
Stale mate, with no likely winners. Leader with some nerve / direction needed....please report to 10 Downing St.
Only 2 options imo, leave (hard) or remain....half pie solutuons dont cut it....just need the Government and opposition to offer clear choices.
If May had any sense she would realise that her own party can't get rid of her for a year and if she actually worked with the opposition she could get stuff done because she's basically untouchable by the hard brexit types.
but she's thick and useless.
but she's thick and useless.
Why does the English, and the Welsh want to leave the EU so badly? We love you guys, love the music that has come out of them, the culture and everything. My impression of the Welsh is some genuinely cool people. Why do you wanna leave the club? ;__;
He can ask for more no confidence votes but it normally requires a valid reason for the government to make time for the debate.
Corbyn has to careful about calling for them.
Decades of anti-EU propaganda and the weaponisation of migrants and FoM.
Thier whiteness are being threatened because of those damn immigrants. It's the same reason why the USA has Trump.
When the vote of no confidence was announced, the exact same thought went through my mind, even looked up the number of MP's Sinn Féin had. Only seven so it wouldn't have made a difference, I wonder how hard it would have been to resist there policy of not taking thier seats if their votes could have triggered an election giving them a chance at some DUP seats.
Because a lot of people are struggling, and it's easy to put the blame on Others. There's a massive cultural divide between the big cities (esp. London) and working class towns/rural areas, not helped by the government always putting the former first. People are resentful and frustrated, and the right-wing press (and Russia, lol) have capitalised on that.
Some will claim it's a Left v Right thing, or Progressives v Bigots, or Old vs Young, but it's sadly not that simple. I know, because I was born and raised in a Brexit heartland and this whole palaver has helped rend my family in two.
In the end, the real villains in all this are the fatcat businessmen screwing over the common folk while pointing their fingers at Those Bloody Foreigners.
Speaking for us Welsh I will say we are cool people. Sadly though there are a lot of people here who like to blame immigrants for the shite that Tory governments have put Wales through. This despite the fact that labour is easily the biggest party in Wales. So we vote left but there's that little part of people that likes to think things are the EU's fault. Don't ask me why but it's just like Northern England, vote Labour and also voted leave. We are a weird lot.
Also old people. Lot's of old people. And those fuckers vote in their droves.
Also this. A lot of this. People in Europe would be shocked by the sheer level of bullshit our papers threw out about the EU over the years.
I think Corbyn is making a mess of this. It's time to get behind another referendum. Get with the lib dems and SNP and demand another referendum.
After March 29th Scotland need to have another independence referendum. They can still get out of this madness.
After March 29th Scotland need to have another independence referendum. They can still get out of this madness.
After Grenfell, how can anyone argue that cities are put first?
Because some who don't live in cities have very warped perceptions of those who do. I've known people to assume that everyone who lives in London is a tax-evading millionaire, or that Birmingham is run by some kind of ISIS cartel.
Just as it's easy for people to presume everyone who voted Leave a racist bigot, so too can others presume Remainers rich, upper-class toffs looking to screw over the common working man.
And that's what got us into this mess: ignorance. On both sides.
I disagree, it was definitely a case of turkeys voting for christmas.
Far too many people who want things to return back to the old days of heavy industry and dont want to reskill.
People who are "concerned about immigration" when the closest they've come to a "foreigner" is someone from England.
Because across the road were pristine buildings owned by the rich.
I'm not sure how Grenfell is an example that the government doesn't put London first for investment? From what I recall wasn't the cladding put on because the rich locals considered the building an eyesore?
A better example would be to look at the state of the rail network In London and then elsewhere. Heck in my area we still have diesel Pacer tains from the 1980's (Which were based on converted buses and have a number of issues)
Then you find posts like this on this very forum:-
Is it any wonder people feel resentment over London?
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So all the car companies are going to transfer their work to Europe, and a trillion GBP is leaving city of london to get reallocated along with jobs in frankfurt/paris/dublin. I imagine agriculture/fishing is pretty fucked too. Pharma insutry has zero confidence in post brexit.
Is there actually any benefit to any industry because of brexit?
Is there actually any benefit to any industry because of brexit?
We are sadly heading for a no deal Brexit. However, this is what this country needs. Those who voted for it (and I'm not one of them), need to suffer more economic hardship, lost jobs, food shortages etc in order to learn. I know there's a danger that the right will blame Europe for all of it, but it might wake some people out of their beliefs on Britain being an Empire and centre of the world etc. Once this country's ego is totally crushed, we can approach Europe again with a proper view of our place in the world. Anything other than hard Brexit will store up anger that will explode further down the line.
When are people going to get it, IT'S NOT GOING TO BE A LEARNING EXPERIENCE.
Hardship is always, always, twisted by those in power to push their agenda, through nationalistic ideology and scapegoating. It's how we got here in the first place and you're deluded if you're thinking the truth will click with people after brexit, especially when human pride and stubbornness will make Leavers rufuse to acknowledge any fault.