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Mirk

Member
Oct 25, 2017
892
Hmm I used checkpoint the other day to backup my botw save. Wonder if I'll be banned for that.
 

Pablo Mesa

Banned
Nov 23, 2017
6,878
It's always chaotic in the beginning times of hacking any new consoles then things mature and get better over time with better understanding and tools etc
Switch software is strong AF right now, after the hardware exploit get fixed, the scene is back to square. 0

add in that nintendo is doing a pretty good job tracking people that hacked and banned their consoles, that means they no longer can just use discard able accounts so no more trial and error to figure out how are they getting banned and bypass it
 

Mizavari

Member
Jan 19, 2018
271
All that said, it Would be awesome if all online games had a server specifically open to mods and hacks (to be used at your own risk).
 

noyram23

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
9,372
A bit chaotic right now, my 2nd switch is still in the box, but give it a few months and everything will be easy and relatively safe. It's pretty much every hacking scene, in Switch case it's even too early.
 

FlintSpace

Banned
Oct 28, 2017
2,817
The PS4 is hacked wide open.

PS4 is as open as possible now lol. If you think Switch hack scene is bad. PS4 right now is even worst.
PS4 has been hacked for a while now, although Sony's security is way better than last-gen, it still hasn't stopped them from being compromised.
PS4 been wide open for a while, its simple most people dont wank about it the same level as Nintendo consoles
PS4 has been hacked for ages, but it's a software based hack so it's not an immediately current thing since they spend time working through every firmware.

Wow. I seriously had no idea. I live in India, and really thought I would had heard more about it if it was the case. Good? I guess.
That's true that I would love to have a reasonably priced Switch here, even if I could only play SP games.
 

Miles

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
639
San Diego, CA
I'd love to get to the sweet spot where we can play homebrew on the Switch but not be able to pirate their games. I just want to play Super Mario RPG on the Switch. I'm not asking a lot.
 

Bob Beat

Member
Oct 25, 2017
3,916
Give it a year and I'll bet we'll have stable CFW for the Switch as well as an easy access point, so there will be no need to buy an expensive tool.

I understand Nintendo banning online access for consoles that pirate, but it also just encourages them to pirate more because they can no longer use the eShop or any online-related services. If they pirated a little bit before, they're DEFINITELY going to pirate everything now that they're banned and can't do anything.

But I can see why Nintendo would ban people who are tinkering around with the system with mods...this is how people start cheating in games like Mario Kart and Splatoon and ruin the experience for everyone else. Seems like a pretty decent compromise...if you want online and eShop you have to stay vanilla.
Wait, you don't assume they'll just pirate all the games available anyway?

I downloaded age of empires2 a long time ago. It just made me search for other games more.
 

Llazy

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
1,073
So you basically cant pirate nintendos biggest game this year smash bros and play it online
 

Vena

Community Resettler
Member
Oct 25, 2017
6,379
So you basically cant pirate nintendos biggest game this year smash bros and play it online

Or Pokemon. Or much of anything Nintendo releases any more, really, as it largely all has some or a lot of online integration.

I mean I'm not asking. Homebrew scene will get there eventually, I just don't like new games being pirateable.

Unavoidable with how nVidia fucked up. The revision will close the hardware exploit and Switch OS is largely secure, so the scene will fracture. But nothing can be done about nVidias initial cockup.

Aside from Nintendo forcing nVidia to do a recall or something which wouldn't happen .
 

Vena

Community Resettler
Member
Oct 25, 2017
6,379
I would laugh my ass off if they do issue a recall to stores for Gen 1 switchs

They won't. They'll quietly switch the Mobo on refurbs and returns over time, but they're not going to pull stock.

They'll just let it quietly roll over.

Unless nVidia somehow paid for their own fuck up, Nintendo's not going to burn millions pulling stock. And nVidia can/is paying for it in other ways any way.
 

Pablo Mesa

Banned
Nov 23, 2017
6,878
They won't. They'll quietly switch the Mobo on refurbs and returns over time, but they're not going to pull stock.

They'll just let it quietly roll over.

Unless nVidia somehow paid for their own fuck up, Nintendo's not going to burn millions pulling stock. And nVidia can/is paying for it in other ways any way.
I know they wont, its massive investment not worth + all those fucked up Soc are hot garbage, just the thought of it was funny
 

DigitalOp

Member
Nov 16, 2017
9,276
It's the first law of hacking to know that hacks will deny you online access.

Who are these new kids who don't have a clue?
 

Deleted member 32374

User requested account closure
Banned
Nov 10, 2017
8,460
Good on Nintendo for going after pirates, thieves and super Pirate Thieves. I understand the Switch could be this amazing homebrew super system but can we agree on not messing with when it has only been out for less than two years?

No.

There are some that love the hardware but have no interest in using it as a Nintendo console. A minority, absolutely, but they won't be dissuaded as easily as those looking for free games while stilling having a functional online console.
 

Cyanity

Member
Oct 25, 2017
9,345
OG model Switches are gonna be worth a lot some day.

edit - I'll probably hack my console at one point or another and get another, legit switch for online play.
 

Vena

Community Resettler
Member
Oct 25, 2017
6,379
So, it seems the situation around SX is actually even worse. First and foremost, the brickcode is actually even worse than we originally suspected AND can absolutely trigger from normal use:



More over, the whole thing is built on stolen code from the normal Switch devs:



So, not only can it brick your console irreparably, it is built on stolen code.
 

Deleted member 2834

User requested account closure
Banned
Oct 25, 2017
7,620
I'm honestly baffled by how strongly some of you guys react to people from the hacking scene or outright pirates. Why the hell do you even care? I don't see how you get any satisfaction from this.

edit: Other than the porn profile pics. That's problematic, agreed.
 
Oct 25, 2017
3,959
Osaka, Osaka
While piracy is bad for the Switch Nintendo dont help themselves with the prices they charge on the eShop!!

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Please, defend your logic. I wanna hear why theft is the fault of someone selling something.
 

AkumaNiko

Member
Oct 28, 2017
1,437
I thought that the only way nintendo can spot you is if you take a pirated game online, aka, you pirate mario kart and try to play online, then boom, banned.

But from what i can see, if people only pirate single player games and revert back to the stock firmware to play online with legit carts, they wont know. If it stops people from cheating in online games im good.
 

Aters

Banned
Oct 26, 2017
7,948
It seems to me every console hacking scene is like this at first. Give it a year and things will become clear.
 

Renna Hazel

Member
Oct 27, 2017
11,556
So, it seems the situation around SX is actually even worse. First and foremost, the brickcode is actually even worse than we originally suspected AND can absolutely trigger from normal use:



More over, the whole thing is built on stolen code from the normal Switch devs:



So, not only can it brick your console irreparably, it is built on stolen code.

Is this saying that someone who has not altered or hacked their console at all can get a bricked console?
 

Bjones

Member
Oct 30, 2017
5,622
There are multitudes of Switch-like devices and tablets that are running Android or other operating systems and are ready out of the box for "Homebrew". Picking apart a device not designed for such things is folly when you can have a much easier go of it on practically any other device.

This is my argument. You can homebrew on any mobile device. There's is literally the Nvidia shield that's basically a switch that you can safely use for homebrew.
 

XDevil666

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
2,985
I really don't think for mass consumers a proper hacked consoles will ever be there.
I mean always online is the future, DRMs are getting more scary and even PS4 is not hacked yet. Doubt stable Switch hack would be there.
PS4 not hacked? The PS4 is cracked wide open, want to know the best part of it? To kick off the hack you simply browse to website like the old jailbreak iOS hack
 

Metal B

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
1,396
I'm honestly baffled by how strongly some of you guys react to people from the hacking scene or outright pirates. Why the hell do you even care? I don't see how you get any satisfaction from this.

edit: Other than the porn profile pics. That's problematic, agreed.
And the cheaters in online-games, which makes for a bad experience for everybody else, and developers, which don't get payed, because people pirate there games.
Modding may be okay, but griffing, cheating and piracy isn't. That is why people cheer, if bad things happen to those people.
 

ZugZug123

Member
Oct 27, 2017
2,412
Wow the pirates that released the exploit locked the exploit sw from getting pirated and trying to get around it bricks your Switch which is a harsher outcome than Nintendo itself enforces when they catch you pirating. Talk about these pirates that released the exploit being double garbage people.
 

mclem

Member
Oct 25, 2017
13,441
Is this saying that someone who has not altered or hacked their console at all can get a bricked console?
I *think* it's saying this:

There is custom firmware, it is being *sold*
It is based on pirated code.
Some people are trying to pirate *the firmware*
It has defenses which can in turn brick your system if it detects that you are attempting to pirate the custom firmware.
It *also* is possible to trigger those defenses even if using a legitimate version of the custom firmware.

So the context there is entirely about people using the *custom* firmware, and distinguishing between people using a 'legit' version of the custom firmware (as in 'purchased from the makers', but it is in itself based on stolen code) or people using a 'pirated' version of the custom firmware.

But yes, it could be read either way.
 

night814

One Winged Slayer
Member
Oct 29, 2017
15,035
Pennsylvania
Give it time.

We are still in the super hacky, might easily brick your shit phase.
Yeah people should honestly wait till everything is known about Nintendo's anti-piracy stuff going on right now. They clearly have upped their game since the Wii-DS-3DS-WiiU days. And that's great for devs who might have felt burned before by Nintendo's easily exploitable systems the past decade+.
 

Vena

Community Resettler
Member
Oct 25, 2017
6,379
Is this saying that someone who has not altered or hacked their console at all can get a bricked console?

No, this is about the fact that using the CFW can brick your Switch, permanently.

It seems to me every console hacking scene is like this at first. Give it a year and things will become clear.

In a year gen1s (and at the rate we're going unbanned gen1s) are going to be a prime product to resell used. :P

Mariko will have long replaced the Tegra X1 unit by then, leaving the scene fractured as a result.
 

Penny Royal

The Fallen
Oct 25, 2017
4,158
QLD, Australia
This is my argument. You can homebrew on any mobile device. There's is literally the Nvidia shield that's basically a switch that you can safely use for homebrew.

Where's the challenge in home brewing on something that is easy or already widespread?

Part of the point in hacking a device like a Switch that 'isn't supposed' to be hacked is the 'isn't supposed' bit.
 

Bjones

Member
Oct 30, 2017
5,622
Where's the challenge in home brewing on something that is easy or already widespread?

Part of the point in hacking a device like a Switch that 'isn't supposed' to be hacked is the 'isn't supposed' bit.

For the people creatung the hacks yes. But not for all the people using the hack for " supposedly " homebrew only.
 

Pablo Mesa

Banned
Nov 23, 2017
6,878
I thought that the only way nintendo can spot you is if you take a pirated game online, aka, you pirate mario kart and try to play online, then boom, banned.

But from what i can see, if people only pirate single player games and revert back to the stock firmware to play online with legit carts, they wont know. If it stops people from cheating in online games im good.
Some peoplehave claimed that swapping FW to CFW to FW left a foot print and they been banned too
 

KratosEnergyDrink

Using an alt account to circumvent a ban
Banned
Oct 27, 2017
1,523
Its funny that some people just install some homebrew on their console, like Switch or PS4, from unknown sources that could do everything with the data on the console. Its not like this people who create homebrew or tools to pirate software are all good people with good intentions.

Its just dumb to install software from those sources, its like installing software from warez sites on PC or apks from random websites on android, just naive and dumb.
 

Deleted member 16908

Oct 27, 2017
9,377
I thought we weren't allowed to discuss piracy here.