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Think Nintendo will pull a dick move and have paid Pokemon DLC to complete National Dex?

Will Sword and Shield have paid Pokemon DLC?

  • Yes

    Votes: 305 23.2%
  • No

    Votes: 1,008 76.8%

  • Total voters
    1,313

Arynio

Member
Oct 27, 2017
254
Why would they ditch third versions for DLC when GF makes more money by selling you it for $60.
I'm not sure that model will keep sustaining far into the future. Especially now with all the questionable decisions they have made and the polarised public opinion. Although the DLC could also be badly received, I'll grant you that. GF have put themselves in a very tough position.
 

jacktuar

Member
Oct 25, 2017
6,439
I'm still annoyed that Mew in Pokémon Let's Go is locked behind a $60 accessory..

But as for this? Nah, probably not.
I was annoyed too, especially as they purposely locked out a Go import for that Pokémon only. To be honest I saw you could pay people to trade a Mew off eBay and I’m considering that. Seems fairer.
 

Thequietone

Member
Oct 26, 2017
1,182
This might be considered a hot take, but I think they didn't take enough old Pokemon out. Not even 100 new Pokemon when I play these games for new Pokemon. Instead I see nothing but old Pokemon littering the landscape/marketing. Before anyone asks, if I wanted to play with old Pokemon I'd play the old games.

Fake edit: they don't expect you to buy both games. Trading has always been a core element of the series and one of the reasons its well loved. It's to encourage trading and socialising.
 

Mr. Pointy

Member
Oct 28, 2017
3,969
Maybe GF should just do free dex and post-game updates to Sw/Sh instead of a 3rd version and support funding them via paid cosmetic DLC (cute clothes for your charactersr or Pokemon etc). And before someone says 'but the kids...' The kids play Fortnite and Pokemon Go on mobile devices.
 

KtSlime

Member
Oct 25, 2017
4,404
Tokyo
I don't think they will, that said, I hope they do, because no matter how much I dislike DLC and extra hidden costs, it is better than the alternative of not having my favorite Pokémon.
 
Oct 25, 2017
4,253
The Ocean
Good old blame Nintendoism. You’re not entitled to a full Pokédex, PKC and the actual developers Game Freak are the ones who make these decisions. They would need to literally spend months longer creating models and logic and weaving these into the story - at what cost? They don’t owe you shit, and if they could have added them they would have. It’s posts like this that bring down the mood and reputation of the fandom.

Those Pokemon still exist they’re just not in this particular game. Do you want every Pokemon ever made to be retroactively added to older games too?
 

Toxi

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
9,696
This might be considered a hot take, but I think they didn't take enough old Pokemon out. Not even 100 new Pokemon when I play these games for new Pokemon. Instead I see nothing but old Pokemon littering the landscape/marketing. Before anyone asks, if I wanted to play with old Pokemon I'd play the old games.

Fake edit: they don't expect you to buy both games. Trading has always been a core element of the series and one of the reasons its well loved. It's to encourage trading and socialising.
The number of cut Pokémon has nothing to do with the number of new ones. Pokémon Black and White had 150 new Pokémon and didn’t cut any of the old ones out of the post-game Pokédex.
 

Dr Pears

Member
Sep 9, 2018
1,034
Removing Pokemon was already a dick moved. If they promote returning Pokemon as a selling point in the future, it’s even more dick move.
 

jacktuar

Member
Oct 25, 2017
6,439
The number of cut Pokémon has nothing to do with the number of new ones. Pokémon Black and White had 150 new Pokémon and didn’t cut any of the old ones out of the post-game Pokédex.
Wasn’t there 2 year gap before Black and White? I bet if they hadn’t been rushing to get a new gen out and taken another year, this wouldn’t be an issue. We’ve had a Pokemon game every year for four years now. It didn’t used to be this frequent.
 

Thequietone

Member
Oct 26, 2017
1,182
The number of cut Pokémon has nothing to do with the number of new ones. Pokémon Black and White had 150 new Pokémon and didn’t cut any of the old ones out of the post-game Pokédex.
Not comparable situations. There's more Pokemon now and it's their first HD title.

Edit: oh I see you're one of those Gamefreak is lazy people. On ignore you go. Not worth my time.
 

Mewn

Avenger
Oct 25, 2017
2,079
UK
I think it's way more likely they go for third versions and heavily market the cut Pokemon returning as a selling point.
 

Akai_XIII

Member
Oct 26, 2017
393
Models are only one part of it - they need animations for lots of other stuff too. Battles, camp, overworld, etc,

The Dex cut is fine for me. I never use legendaries so that's a big chunk of the cut Pokemon I don't care for. The rest are Pokemon I've used before/don't mind being missing. It's not like these Pokemon will never return either.
 

Toxi

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
9,696
The game is leaked. The models are the same.

Not comparable situations. There's more Pokemon now and it's their first HD title.
It’s their second HD Pokémon title.

We’ve had less Pokémon for the last couple generations too, but those were without cuts.
 

Kyzer

Member
Oct 25, 2017
2,761
Just posted this in the spoiler thread
I think it's more likely that we will see a backtracking of stance on DLC / expansions than SwSh not getting updated. Besides, if this is all about TPC product management, budget, and lack of incentives, then that falls perfectly in alignment with that.

Then again maybe the ultimate DLC revenue is just making another game.
 
Oct 25, 2017
4,253
The Ocean
The game is leaked. The models are the same.


It’s their second HD Pokémon title.

We’ve had less Pokémon for the last couple generations too, but those were without cuts.
Oh wow because I’ll take your word in the models being the same as a developer who has NO REASON TO LIE ABOUT THE EFFORTS IN MAKING THEIR GAME. I guess when 8-bit Mario appears in Odyssey they were just being lazy and using the sprite from SMB.

What a worthless argument you’ve presented.


I have said nothing like this. If you think I have, post it. Otherwise, fuck off with this bullshit.
You most definitely are presenting that case.
 

AzureFlame

Member
Oct 30, 2017
3,293
They just gonna sell us a definitive version later, which is a worse move than making dlc and they've been doing it for a long time.
 

Forkball

Member
Oct 25, 2017
5,147
They will release the rest in the Sinnoh remakes next year and Pokémon Bow in 2021.

JUST TWO YEARS AND $120 UNTIL GRENINJA IS FREE
 

Spacejaws

Member
Oct 27, 2017
2,092
Scotland
I'm pretty cynical and kinda feel like money was a driving force somehow. Wouldn't be suprised if the missing pokemon can be obtained from a new game or something like the next Lets Go to incentivise people to buy the next game which is dumb as fuck because they are always top sellers anyway.
 

Kyzer

Member
Oct 25, 2017
2,761
I don't think there is a reality in which Smash Ultimate and BotW DLC did the numbers they did, and this company not cave to post-release expansions. Best argument I see against it is third version but they haven't done one of those since Platinum. The more I think about it the more I predict no third version, and instead a straight up expansion pack to the game.

I'm pretty cynical and kinda feel like money was a driving force somehow. Wouldn't be suprised if the missing pokemon can be obtained from a new game or something like the next Lets Go to incentivise people to buy the next game which is dumb as fuck because they are always top sellers anyway.
Agreed. Absolutely it was money in the end. There should not have been any compromises to content, period. There's no way it was a director suggestion, it was a product management decision based on limited resources, which can only have been set by TPC, certainly the market didn't ask for a smaller roster of Pokemon. This isn't a mobile game with a minimum viable product, there should not have been any compromises on what to put into the final product unless they planned on doing DLC from the start, justifying leaving some things out (like managing a mobile release), or are blatantly fine with giving consumers as little as possible for as big a short term ROI as possible, which would be incredibly greedy and shortsighted, and I don't believe.


Idk , so much to unpack , it's honestly a bit worrying.
 
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Toxi

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
9,696
Oh wow because I’ll take your word in the models being the same as a developer who has NO REASON TO LIE ABOUT THE EFFORTS IN MAKING THEIR GAME. I guess when 8-bit Mario appears in Odyssey they were just being lazy and using the sprite from SMB.

What a worthless argument you’ve presented.
Do you want to wait for the data miners to confirm that they are the 3DS models? Just like in Pokémon Let’s Go?

I don’t believe the dev lied. I believe he misspoke, or was misinterpreted. But the game is fucking out in the wild. They are the same high poly models Gamefreak specifically made to last for a long time.

You most definitely are presenting that case.
Why, because I’m telling you the truth?
 

Eumi

Member
Nov 3, 2017
3,333
I don’t think they will, but I also wouldn’t exactly call it a dick move to charge for new content.

You shouldn’t have to work for free.
 

goodretina

Member
Dec 30, 2018
251
Game Freak doesn’t want more than 400 Pokémon in a game ever again. It’s a philosophy thing, not a scheme for nickel ‘n’ diming.
Now it’s “philosophy” and a hard cap at 400? Both of those are news to me. I thought it was either to focus on animations, balancing the meta, problems with the models not transferring over, or a design choice.
 

Ushojax

Member
Oct 30, 2017
2,847
Now it’s “philosophy” and a hard cap at 400? Both of those are news to me. I thought it was either to focus on animations, balancing the meta, problems with the models not transferring over, or a design choice.
I think we all know those are just excuses. Game Freak are not going to come out and say "the development schedule dictated by TPC does not allow us to satisfy the demands of players". Because that's all it is.
 

Toxi

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
9,696
At this point it seems like the default response to Pokémon criticism is to accuse you of hating Gamefreak and then put you on ignore.
Now it’s “philosophy” and a hard cap at 400? Both of those are news to me. I thought it was either to focus on animations, balancing the meta, problems with the models not transferring over, or a design choice.
Honestly, it was about development time. They decided to cut back on something to reduce their workload and the national Pokédex seemed like a good flex point.
 

Ramsay

Member
Jul 2, 2019
432
Australia
Gamefreak won't sell you a $20 DLC to complete the National Dex. They'll charge us $60 for Ultra Sword and Ultra Shield so that we can complete the National Dex.

Oh wow because I’ll take your word in the models being the same as a developer who has NO REASON TO LIE ABOUT THE EFFORTS IN MAKING THEIR GAME. I guess when 8-bit Mario appears in Odyssey they were just being lazy and using the sprite from SMB.

What a worthless argument you’ve presented.



You most definitely are presenting that case.
Seriously? Have we all forgotten about how No Man's Sky was at release?
 

Greywaren

Member
Jul 16, 2019
1,585
I highly doubt it. I wouldn't be surprised if they slowly added some of the fan favorites through Mystery Gifts or Raids or something like that. They just have to patch them into the game. But a big DLC with all the remaining ones? Don't count on it.
 

BassForever

Member
Oct 25, 2017
10,475
CT
Considering most people expect even if they do fix the problem it’ll be an ultra/second version of sw/sh that’ll cost $60 again. DLC for $20 to add all the dexit pokemon would seemingly be a better deal then what gamefreak will likely do.
 

Murfield

Member
Oct 27, 2017
707
I can see them adding more pokemon in the gen 8 re-releases whatever they will be called. Guessing greatsword and towershield?

Would serve as stronger selling point than in previous gens.